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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    I have been reading about TOS-1 and BM-21 Grad (which we have plenty of) systems lately.
    I have an idea that may be implemented here and produced in Armenia.
    TOS-1 has a caliber 220 mm and BM-21 120mm. The only reason that TOs-1 is so feared is because it uses a thermobaric warhead. But has a limited range of 3-4 Km. Grad has on the other hand a 30 Km range.
    We allready produce thermobaric projectiles for our light mounted lounchers.
    How about we develop and change grad warheads with thermobaric tips of our own. It may be smaller and only half powerful each, but can reach deep and with a salvo of 40 rounds per launcher.
    It certainly will be bigger still than what we make.
    This will be very inhumane and fearfull weapon because it can reach deep population settlements and devastate villages and towns with fire in minutes by using just one or two lounchers.
    Unlike the rumors from enemy of Armenia developing dirty bomb( which has no point except bad PR), this ordinance and system are not outlawed internationally.
    This will be the terror for the enemy. Unlike conventional projectiles where damage is measured by shrapnel hits, this will burn and destroy much wider area completely regardless. You fire 40 rockets on to a settlement and combined heat and shockwave will mesmerize enemy.
    If proven by action our military industry can have a niche to develop a market internationally in supplying tens of Countries that own BM-21.
    I did some research for BM-21 projectiles and found all to be fragmentation warheads except 9M218, which is described as heat projectiles. But closer look reveals in reality it is a cluster ammunition warhead. Maybe it was called as heat rockets by soviets to avoid international bans?
    Last edited by Hakob; 06-17-2016, 11:03 AM.

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      [QUOTE=burjuin;375280]http://news.am/eng/news/332794.html

      “Armenia have detained an Angola citizen”

      This is the weirdest news I have heard. How could he go from France to Angola via Armenia? It is like going from Yerevan to Moscow via Australia.
      His name is Dongala from Angola he has "apparently" some French citizenship traveling document/passport?
      Something tells me turks were laughing their azz off sending this guy to our borders.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Հյուսիսային սահման





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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Hakob View Post
          I have been reading about TOS-1 and BM-21 Grad (which we have plenty of) systems lately.
          I have an idea that may be implemented here and produced in Armenia.
          TOS-1 has a caliber 220 mm and BM-21 120mm. The only reason that TOs-1 is so feared is because it uses a thermobaric warhead. But has a limited range of 3-4 Km. Grad has on the other hand a 30 Km range.
          We allready produce thermobaric projectiles for our light mounted lounchers.
          How about we develop and change grad warheads with thermobaric tips of our own. It may be smaller and only half powerful each, but can reach deep and with a salvo of 40 rounds per launcher.
          It certainly will be bigger still than what we make.
          This will be very inhumane and fearfull weapon because it can reach deep population settlements and devastate villages and towns with fire in minutes by using just one or two lounchers.
          Unlike the rumors from enemy of Armenia developing dirty bomb( which has no point except bad PR), this ordinance and system are not outlawed internationally.
          This will be the terror for the enemy. Unlike conventional projectiles where damage is measured by shrapnel hits, this will burn and destroy much wider area completely regardless. You fire 40 rockets on to a settlement and combined heat and shockwave will mesmerize enemy.
          If proven by action our military industry can have a niche to develop a market internationally in supplying tens of Countries that own BM-21.
          I did some research for BM-21 projectiles and found all to be fragmentation warheads except 9M218, which is described as heat projectiles. But closer look reveals in reality it is a cluster ammunition warhead. Maybe it was called as heat rockets by soviets to avoid international bans?
          The GRAD is a largely obsolete and ineffective system. You literally have to have dozens of them firing in a general area to hit something you want to hit. Grads are largely perceived, and are, a terror weapon designed to scare and shock. You can't properly aim the things.

          They're also not economical at all. In general, the best way to approach rocket artillery is to use them as counter battery systems. Like when their artillery fires at you, you can have a few rapid fire systems saturate an entire area in hopes you take them out.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by Hakob View Post
            I have been reading about TOS-1 and BM-21 Grad (which we have plenty of) systems lately.
            I have an idea that may be implemented here and produced in Armenia.
            TOS-1 has a caliber 220 mm and BM-21 120mm. The only reason that TOs-1 is so feared is because it uses a thermobaric warhead. But has a limited range of 3-4 Km. Grad has on the other hand a 30 Km range.
            We allready produce thermobaric projectiles for our light mounted lounchers.
            How about we develop and change grad warheads with thermobaric tips of our own. It may be smaller and only half powerful each, but can reach deep and with a salvo of 40 rounds per launcher.
            It certainly will be bigger still than what we make.
            This will be very inhumane and fearfull weapon because it can reach deep population settlements and devastate villages and towns with fire in minutes by using just one or two lounchers.
            Unlike the rumors from enemy of Armenia developing dirty bomb( which has no point except bad PR), this ordinance and system are not outlawed internationally.
            This will be the terror for the enemy. Unlike conventional projectiles where damage is measured by shrapnel hits, this will burn and destroy much wider area completely regardless. You fire 40 rockets on to a settlement and combined heat and shockwave will mesmerize enemy.
            If proven by action our military industry can have a niche to develop a market internationally in supplying tens of Countries that own BM-21.
            I did some research for BM-21 projectiles and found all to be fragmentation warheads except 9M218, which is described as heat projectiles. But closer look reveals in reality it is a cluster ammunition warhead. Maybe it was called as heat rockets by soviets to avoid international bans?
            have you heard about Uragan 9К57 ? It has thermobaric rockets 9М51 with range 3-13km.

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Հունիսի 14-ից 17-ը ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարի տեղակալ-նյութատեխնիկական ապահովման դեպարտամենտի պետ Մովսես Հակոբյանի գլխավորած պատվիրակությունը աշխատանքային այցով գտնվել է Իրանի Իսլամական Հանրապետությունում:



              Այցի շրջանակներում ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարության պատվիրակությունը հանդիպել է ԻԻՀ պաշտպանության և զինված ուժերի աջակցման նախարարության ԷԹՔԱ կազմակերպության գործադիր տնօրեն Մոհամմադ Մեհդի Քարբալայի հետ, այցելել ընկերության գործարաններ, խանութների ցանց և ծանոթացել արտադրվող ապրանքի տեսականուն:

              Մովսես Հակոբյանի գլխավորած պատվիրակությանն ընդունել է նաև ԻԻՀ պաշտպանության և զինված ուժերի աջակցման նախարար Հոսեյն Դեղհանը: Հանդիպման ընթացքում քննարկվել են պաշտպանության ոլորտում հայ-իրանական համագործակցության հեռանկարային զարգացմանն առնչվող հարցեր:

              Այցի արդյունքում պայմանավորվածություններ են ձեռք բերվել մի շարք ոլորտներում համագործակցության զարգացման վերաբերյալ:

              Կողմերը ստորագրել են փոխըմբռնման հուշագիր:
              Հունիսի 14-ից 17-ը ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարի տեղակալ-նյութատեխնիկական ապահովման դեպարտամենտի պետ Մովսես Հակոբյանի գլխավորած պատվիրակությունը աշխատանքային այցով գտնվել է Իրանի Իսլամական Հանրապետությունում:

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Azad View Post
                If fighter jets weren’t used by neither sides during the last war, when would they be used? As a last resort suicide?
                Even if we purchase advanced jets, would the Russian 600KM radius jamming systems going to stay exclusively with the Russian forces?
                We have seen how Russia made a mockery of US ships in the Black Sea by jamming all of their communications. We have seen how Sheepishly NATO forces had to wait till Russia was done with Syria, with back door peddling they took over when Russia told them when. All because of the Jamming systems. Won’t be long, half of the world will have something similar. In short, if you are not a superpower you have to come up with creative ways for your defense. Specially if your enemy is +- at your level. << The ideal scenario for one of the big guys to make money selling both sides. I say we should build 10 dirty bombs and test one of them, make it public and be done.
                Because the war was a setup by Russia and others to test our ground defense forces.........If you think this was a real war then you are naive. Both parties were told not to use aircraft and want it to watch us slaughter ourselves and see who comes up n top.
                Why did the war start,,,,Aliyev? No , Russia

                Again, even when Turks loose, they win......look at WWI

                The Russian jet shotdown was on recon flight not ground attack. was not expecting to get shot at by Turks. So what did Russia do.....Take out an empty Target by fighters to justify. What is the relationship of Russia with Turkey? they both are sleeping together in bed getting blow jobs.

                They sacrifice Armenian blood because Armenians are expandable and our leaders are pussies.

                Listen and listen good.....we can destroy Azerbaijan at will. Yes, casualties on our side but it will be over.....but no, no superpower wants that. In a chess game we are nothing but soldiers.

                We are being used, abused, and controlled. Its better to die (me first) with honor then live a life of clay.
                Last edited by Eddo211; 06-17-2016, 11:49 PM.
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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia &amp; Azerbaijan

                  Azeris will conduct drills with 25,000 soldiers near the border.

                  Details: http://echelonforums.com/articles/70...tary-exercises
                  Last edited by armnuke; 06-18-2016, 12:18 AM.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia &amp; Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                      Azeris will conduct drills with 25,000 soldiers near the border.

                      Details: http://echelonforums.com/articles/70...tary-exercises
                      Noticed the dates?

                      "The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry announced that Azerbaijani Armed Forces will conduct land and maritime tactical exercises on June 19-24.
                      The training will take place in the polygons on the frontline area and Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic. "

                      2016 Formula1

                      17-19 June

                      Right after the Race they want Armenia to be worried of two fronts in the hopes to shift some attention towards Nakhichevan.

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