Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[ayrudzi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

can someone please repost the full version link (that includes the cussing) of the Azeri troop movements and nothing being done about it on our part despite them being in our clear view. thanks

That is ridicules. Hopefully there is a reason why our side isnt doing anything

[ASALA2116]

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That is ridicules. Hopefully there is a reason why our side isnt doing anything

The reason for why Armenia is not doing anything is because Serzh Sarkisyan is playing his cards as a political correct character. This worked 10 years ago when the whole region was calm. Now since the Syrian War things are changed. The region is flexing its muscles whilst Armenia still plays the "We are not a people who like wars, but we can fight " saying. Russia struggling to keep Azerbaijan in its sphere prefers to squeeze Armenias arm in its renewed foreign policy , as we have become a "Yes" nation to everything they say. In all seriousness , our President sits in the Kremlin and as long as these Oligarchs and corrupt ministers govern our nation , we will always be a nation with no pride and voice.
In saying all this , our arm will be twisted to a point were others decide our fate. The US ,France and Russia could not care less about Armenia when Armenia could not care less about itself.
The problem in all this is the fact that Armenia has not progressed nor given the world something of valuable material or innovation. In business or world politics you become a nobody with no voice. Your considered a headache more then a strategic important ally.
So where do we go from here ? Our borders are violated on a daily basis , economy is struggling, migration rather then immigration and a weak opposition with no future plans wanting to take power.

Until that time we don't have a real leader , Armenia in all due respect cannot sit on a negotiation table , nor a future planning table.

[Artashes]

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Georgians do not have Indo-European origins; Assyrians are a Semitic people; Turks are an Altaic people;

The closest standing nation to the Armenian people genetically are Persians. Arguably, the Talysh, also an Iranian people, are even closer.

Our language is an isolat indo European language. A stand alone indo euro language.
The Hay (Hayr) is not indo European. Armen and his group joined us long ago, but were absorbed by us as they were much fewer.
If I remember correctly, when the Persian jerk abbas relocated by force the Armenians from nakijivan and other places in Hayastan, he moved them to where the talash are. Almost all traces of our forced exile there are gone except for genetics and some words.
When we talk in our own language, we don't call ourselves Armenians. We call ourselves by our non indo European original name.

[ayrudzi]

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Our language is an isolat indo European language. A stand alone indo euro language.
The Hay (Hayr) is not indo European. Armen and his group joined us long ago, but were absorbed by us as they were much fewer.
If I remember correctly, when the Persian jerk abbas relocated by force the Armenians from nakijivan and other places in Hayastan, he moved them to where the talash are. Almost all traces of our forced exile there are gone except for genetics and some words.
When we talk in our own language, we don't call ourselves Armenians. We call ourselves by our non indo European original name.

In genetic studies of armenians there is no indication of foreign genes unless both the indo European armen and non ie tribes were both native to the armenian highlands. But the theory that indo European speakers came to armenia from Balkan is not supported by DNA studies there is no Balkan DNA in armenians it is native which interestingly the younger versions of our DNA are found amongst euros and middle east

[Artashes]

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In genetic studies of armenians there is no indication of foreign genes unless both the indo European armen and non ie tribes were both native to the armenian highlands. But the theory that indo European speakers came to armenia from Balkan is not supported by DNA studies there is no Balkan DNA in armenians it is native which interestingly the younger versions of our DNA are found amongst euros and middle east

The indo part of indo European or indo Iranic or indo anything is based on certain language commonalities. The assumption by some scholars that they all came from Indus area is only an assumption and not fact.
Armen and his troup did did not come from Indus or Balkan.
The story of Armen and all other "indo's" is only recounted in myth or biblical. Not much sense in that discussion.
The younger version you refer to is the indo European part. We (Hayr) came from Noah about 10,000 years ago. Sometime after that Armen shows up in the Armenian highlands. Tough to track.
The Sumer (shumer) city states are shrouded in mystery and difficult to quantify.
Haik had Hayr mother Armen father, hence giant status
Before the city states of Sumer, the original people's from the flood moved in all directions as the waters subsided. Really difficult to say anymore, without getting into fable, fantasy, or biblical.

[ASALA2116]

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The indo part of indo European or indo Iranic or indo anything is based on certain language commonalities. The assumption by some scholars that they all came from Indus area is only an assumption and not fact.
Armen and his troup did did not come from Indus or Balkan.
The story of Armen and all other "indo's" is only recounted in myth or biblical. Not much sense in that discussion.
The younger version you refer to is the indo European part. We (Hayr) came from Noah about 10,000 years ago. Sometime after that Armen shows up in the Armenian highlands. Tough to track.
The Sumer (shumer) city states are shrouded in mystery and difficult to quantify.
Haik had Hayr mother Armen father, hence giant status
Before the city states of Sumer, the original people's from the flood moved in all directions as the waters subsided. Really difficult to say anymore, without getting into fable, fantasy, or biblical.

Is it possible we came from another planet. I mean it is a possibility. We are aliens of some sort as we are alienated as a country. The father of Haig was Togormah, and his father Japeth son of Noah. Georgians claim the Togormah lineage too ..So did the Urartu people call themselves Hay too ?

[Artashes]

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Is it possible we came from another planet. I mean it is a possibility. We are aliens of some sort as we are alienated as a country. The father of Haig was Togormah, and his father Japeth son of Noah. Georgians claim the Togormah lineage too ..So did the Urartu people call themselves Hay too ?

Modern science doesn't acknowledge such things as fallen angels or off world visitation, but tries to force everything into a proscribed line or box.
The liniege both biblical and our own version is condensed and not accurate for depicting true timeline. Hence all do not line up with geological flood timeline. Haik was not the son of Togormah but a grandchild a number of generations down the line.
The fallen angels were all male. Anywhere you see indo whatever, you see a mix of local genes and off world genes. Usually mix is local to geographic + off world. Most cases locals were overran and dominated. Our case was somewhat different as Armen and Hay got along quite well. The story is complex and shrouded in confusion. The Sumer story has a strange factor to it that modern scholar tries not to acknowledge but forces into lines without strangeness. Our scholarship is superficial and does not tell story like it was.
The passers down of stories couldn't possibly recount linnieage of 10,000 years but they condensed. Not bad for those who couldn't read or write.
Urartu acknowledged their ancestry came from Hay (women) and considered the highlands as their origins on planet. They considered the Hay their people.
I say look to the holes in the stones of carahung to see where Armens group came from.
Wild stuff.

[ASALA2116]

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Modern science doesn't acknowledge such things as fallen angels or off world visitation, but tries to force everything into a proscribed line or box.
The liniege both biblical and our own version is condensed and not accurate for depicting true timeline. Hence all do not line up with geological flood timeline. Haik was not the son of Togormah but a grandchild a number of generations down the line.
The fallen angels were all male. Anywhere you see indo whatever, you see a mix of local genes and off world genes. Usually mix is local to geographic + off world. Most cases locals were overran and dominated. Our case was somewhat different as Armen and Hay got along quite well. The story is complex and shrouded in confusion. The Sumer story has a strange factor to it that modern scholar tries not to acknowledge but forces into lines without strangeness. Our scholarship is superficial and does not tell story like it was.
The passers down of stories couldn't possibly recount linnieage of 10,000 years but they condensed. Not bad for those who couldn't read or write.
Urartu acknowledged their ancestry came from Hay (women) and considered the highlands as their origins on planet. They considered the Hay their people.
I say look to the holes in the stones of carahung to see where Armens group came from.
Wild stuff.

Armenia is full of wonders. Was just reading about a recent find in Yerevan of an old Urartu street. Apparently the people who found this project did but have the financials to proceed any further and looking to the Government for some extension or something like that. Carahunj is apparently 10,000 years old and I've read that they might be related to the same people who built the Stonehenge. I mean the chances of two different civilizations worshiping the same way in 2 different parts of the world is pretty slim. Do you think it's possible they were communicating with a more advanced being ?

[Artashes]

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Armenia is full of wonders. Was just reading about a recent find in Yerevan of an old Urartu street. Apparently the people who found this project did but have the financials to proceed any further and looking to the Government for some extension or something like that. Carahunj is apparently 10,000 years old and I've read that they might be related to the same people who built the Stonehenge. I mean the chances of two different civilizations worshiping the same way in 2 different parts of the world is pretty slim. Do you think it's possible they were communicating with a more advanced being ?

Too many strange aspects for me to get any real clarity. When I read about carahung and Stonehenge, here is an interesting thing ... In essence, carahung means "talking stones". But the word "henge" in stone henge has no meaning that can be found. I think both were built by two groups that had knowledge of each other.
Between the Romans and Saxons, the Druids and Armina of land were wiped out (genocide).
Communicate with off world ? All I can say is the intrigues of Sumer are strange.

[Vrej1915]

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Agree to disagree brother.

You are too smart a man, to beleive that a russian apparatchik, working in the very comcerned sphere of that state, will betray the official "N1 secret" of his state (regarding Armenians, and a secret kept only from the people of Armenia, with willy nilly cooperation of our regime), just because you are calling him habibi..

Ask our officers, who are supposed to receive those shipments.

Nothing worthy of the word is delivered since 2013, and nor will be, until it will be useless.

Our regime does perfectly know where it can get arms direly needed, possibly free of charge, not loans or part of the Madenataran ( only left national value not granted to Russia yet??), but does not have the guts to disobey the russian orders.