Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Spetsnaz]

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[armo12]

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Guys i'm finding it a bit worrying that burjuin hasn't posted for quite some time now...is he okay?

[Hakob]

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This Mouradian guy really annoys me with his delusional and self feeding ideas.
For over 5-6 years he has been predicting Russia's demise, but in reality the opposite is happening.
The only plan that US had was brzesinsky's plan to weaken Russia so much that with revolts and coup's it would be possible to dismember and destroy it.
But the sanctions did not work. How can you isolate and suffocate a country Russia's size and resources?
Actually it unified Russians around their leaders into solid united country.
According to polls, while in Yeltsin's times government rating was less than 20% and over 80% Russians concidered US and EU as friendly, now Putins government has 80% approval and 80-90% of Russians concider US and EU as unfriendly.
Economic sanctions have lost any impact, Russian government not only stabilized situation, but there are even predictions of economic growth.
Neocon plan of destroying Russian federation is lost forever.
Actually, US an EU globalist are suffering continua political defeats like brexit and Trump.
It's so bad that government and security structures are in disarray and splits in US and EU.
The refugee problem with increased terrorism and financial failures now are threatening collapse of EU. There nationalist/separatist fractions are getting stronger by day and threaten winning elections and exit from EU.
All the plans in Ukraine and Middle East have collapsed. US or EU have lost initiatives and cannot put together any meaningful policies for this areas. Russia threw the card blanche and is establishing power bases and alliances
There.
The conduct of Obama, security apparatus, government in last 3-6 months has no direction or purpose. While American sponsored advance on Mosul has failed, Russians succeeded in securing Aleppo.
There is this NATO military buildup near Russia's borders, but strategically has no prospects and may even be reversed by Tr amp .
Mouradian here (picked up from neocons) embraces wests 19th century Black Sea plans without seeing that it's impossible to succeed.
This is not 19Th century. You cannot win a war against unified and strong world nuclear power.
Those neocon idiots in Washington and NATO, miscalculating that US can initiate nuclear strike and win quickly by destroying Russian capacity before it reacts are delusional.
Actually in past 3-5 years Russia has modernized it's nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and air defences to in some cases superior to west's capabilities.
Russian army is being modernized fast.
One example, the persistent rumors of independent nuclear armed submarine drones that Russia has developed that are impossible to detect untill after launch of rocket.
So what is Mouradian blobing about?

[HyeSocialist]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

This Mouradian guy really annoys me with his delusional and self feeding ideas.
For over 5-6 years he has been predicting Russia's demise, but in reality the opposite is happening.
The only plan that US had was brzesinsky's plan to weaken Russia so much that with revolts and coup's it would be possible to dismember and destroy it.
But the sanctions did not work. How can you isolate and suffocate a country Russia's size and resources?
Actually it unified Russians around their leaders into solid united country.
According to polls, while in Yeltsin's times government rating was less than 20% and over 80% Russians concidered US and EU as friendly, now Putins government has 80% approval and 80-90% of Russians concider US and EU as unfriendly.
Economic sanctions have lost any impact, Russian government not only stabilized situation, but there are even predictions of economic growth.
Neocon plan of destroying Russian federation is lost forever.
Actually, US an EU globalist are suffering continua political defeats like brexit and Trump.
It's so bad that government and security structures are in disarray and splits in US and EU.
The refugee problem with increased terrorism and financial failures now are threatening collapse of EU. There nationalist/separatist fractions are getting stronger by day and threaten winning elections and exit from EU.
All the plans in Ukraine and Middle East have collapsed. US or EU have lost initiatives and cannot put together any meaningful policies for this areas. Russia threw the card blanche and is establishing power bases and alliances
There.
The conduct of Obama, security apparatus, government in last 3-6 months has no direction or purpose. While American sponsored advance on Mosul has failed, Russians succeeded in securing Aleppo.
There is this NATO military buildup near Russia's borders, but strategically has no prospects and may even be reversed by Tr amp .
Mouradian here (picked up from neocons) embraces wests 19th century Black Sea plans without seeing that it's impossible to succeed.
This is not 19Th century. You cannot win a war against unified and strong world nuclear power.
Those neocon idiots in Washington and NATO, miscalculating that US can initiate nuclear strike and win quickly by destroying Russian capacity before it reacts are delusional.
Actually in past 3-5 years Russia has modernized it's nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles and air defences to in some cases superior to west's capabilities.
Russian army is being modernized fast.
One example, the persistent rumors of independent nuclear armed submarine drones that Russia has developed that are impossible to detect untill after launch of rocket.
So what is Mouradian blobing about?

Interesting how more people would choose to side with a declining West as opposed to a "rising" Russia.

Further, Russia is a continuously inward looking nation economically. The only time it is looking outwards is when it is trying to use its petrol resources as some kind of a weapon.

They can't build cars, they can't build consumer electronics, they don't have a legitimate banking system, and their currency is trash.

The country doesn't even have functioning court of laws and still lives in the days when journalists and gays are persecuted. What exactly are you championing?

[Azad]

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The United States is about to launch a new policy of suffocating Russia, turning it to a poor country without prospects and isolating it from the rest of the world

They already have for couple years and "isolating" had a reverse effect. Russia is now the world largest wheat exporter surpassing the US, instead of importing wheat pre sanctions.

The Black Sea is becoming the start of this global offensive, and there is no need to think that the United States will be limited to some geopolitical or technical military conditions. The Black Sea and the South Caucasus will be a “primary” platzdarm for the West’s attack on Russia.

That is all to please the shekelists with their wet dream of turning Iran to a Syria.

To some extent, the West repeats the experience of the war in Crimea, and it seems quite effective.

It is effective in suppressing EU's exports and placing it to the edge of disintegration to please US and UK.

In addition, NATO members will gladly accept this policy in this direction.

Whatever this sentence means it sounds like a reformed Soviet logic or like the propagandists from Baku "gladly accept this policy in this direction" WTF is this stupid sentence and logic?

There are a lot of obstacles to NATO in the South Caucasus which have been created by Russia, including Armenia which will be dissolved in the strategy of the Alliance. The United States and NATO are ready to subdue Armenia. Armenia’s whims annoy NATO and the United States, and now very little is left to subdue it to the goals of the Alliance.

Right! This guy sounds like a soviet writer that is trying to please the Soros gang. He sounds stupid at best.

[Hakob]

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Interesting how more people would choose to side with a declining West as opposed to a "rising" Russia.

Further, Russia is a continuously inward looking nation economically. The only time it is looking outwards is when it is trying to use its petrol resources as some kind of a weapon.

They can't build cars, they can't build consumer electronics, they don't have a legitimate banking system, and their currency is trash.

The country doesn't even have functioning court of laws and still lives in the days when journalists and gays are persecuted. What exactly are you championing?

You're repeating what westerners do in feeding their imaginations.
Cannot, cannot, does not.
But look at what is happening?
Has it collapsed? Has Russia suffocated yet? Is Russian population revolting against Putin and government? It on the contrary, and closing eyes on those is delusional.
Neocons and westerners could not even topple Assad. They are going down to history on the road to so many of their predecessors that rose up but fell back down with their teeth pulled out.
Mouradian keeps writing articles of western triumph over backward Russia, but sorry, I notice reality do not match.
That is what I am championing.
Even if I would hate it, I am not going to turn my face off a country that Armenia is tied with. Especially I'll keep a look for true factual situation.
And Crimean or Black Sea plan that Mouradian is talking especially looks weak.

[armnuke]

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You're repeating what westerners do in feeding their imaginations.
Cannot, cannot, does not.
But look at what is happening?
Has it collapsed? Has Russia suffocated yet? Is Russian population revolting against Putin and government? It on the contrary, and closing eyes on those is delusional.
Neocons and westerners could not even topple Assad. They are going down to history on the road to so many of their predecessors that rose up but fell back down with their teeth pulled out.
Mouradian keeps writing articles of western triumph over backward Russia, but sorry, I notice reality do not match.
That is what I am championing.

English is dominating the world. How many countries speak Russian other than the old f*rts in ex-soviet states?
What does Russia produce in terms of consumer goods? Lada 2107 built in 2012 but looks like 1978?
The only consumer goods which can be bought and consumed (don't taste like perished catfood I mean) are made by companies like P&G and others outsourcing to Russia.
Heck they can't even build a mobile phone....
All they can build is Weapons and more weapons..most of which were designed in the USSR days, and sometimes in other countries like Ukraine, not Russia itself.
What's the Ruble? You can't even exchange Ruble in some third world countries, because they don't accept it.
So until Russia produces consumer goods that can be competitive in developed nations (not in Kyrgyzstan), they're not going to dominate anything or anyone, because economy is everything these days.
That being said, their system is as corrupt and oligarchic as the ruling people in Armenia whom you keep bashing(!)

[Azad]

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"Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliyev stated that Azerbaijan is interested in purchase of Russian-made helicopter equipment and defense systems.

DAVOS (Sputnik) — Azerbaijan is in talks with Russia on new arms purchases and is mostly interested in newest defense weaponry, Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliyev told Sputnik.

"Yes, we are in talks about new purchases…. We are mostly interested in the newest defense weaponry and new inventions. This relates to helicopter equipment and defense systems, whole complex," Aliyev said, asked whether new contracts on arms deliveries between Russia and Azerbaijan could be signed in near future."

https://sputniknews.com/military/201701191049760166-azerbaijan-russia-arms/

[Hakob]

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English is dominating the world. How many countries speak Russian other than the old f*rts in ex-soviet states?
What does Russia produce in terms of consumer goods? Lada 2107 built in 2012 but looks like 1978?
The only consumer goods which can be bought and consumed are made by companies like P&G outsourcing to Russia.
Heck they can't even build a mobile phone....
All they can build is Weapons and more weapons..most of which were designed in the USSR days, and sometimes in other countries like Ukraine, not Russia itself.
What's the Ruble? You can't even exchange Ruble in some third world countries, because they don't accept it.
So until Russia produces consumer goods that can be competitive in developed nations (not in Kyrgyzstan), they're not going to dominate anything or anyone, because economy is everything these days.
That being said, their system is as corrupt and oligarchic as the ruling people in Armenia whom you keep bashing(!)

You guys bring examples that no one is disputing. But that has not fed reality the way it fed imaginations for what is happening internationally, especially in Middle East.
Should we turn to west because they build better cars, whole world speaks English and courts are owned by LGBT?
Should we believe that the end is near for Russia?
Or how can someone deny what is happening geopolitically in reality? I mean, someone prove that Assad will still be toppled, NATO will start a war with Russia and win without ending the world, turkey will turn on Russia again and with west kick it out of Black Sea and Caucasus.
Mouradian is not speaking about cars or smartphones guys. He is talking geostrategic stuff which I don't see reason to believe will happen (at least in near future).
On the contrary, I see the opposite happening so far.
Please follow my thoughts guys. I am with you about overal appraisal of Russia. But Current events and possible scenarios are not going the way west or neocons would like in my opinion.

[Azad]

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The shekelist are getting emboldened again with Trump.

"Trump Can Make American-Azerbaijani Ties Great Again
JACOB KAMARAS

Other than Israel, a nation that typifies this foreign policy conundrum is Azerbaijan, the Eurasian former Soviet republic whose profile is about as common as a unicorn: a moderate Muslim-majority nation with a proud history of accepting other faiths.

While the Obama administration has consistently condemned Israeli settlement construction during the last eight years, the administration has failed to take a stand against the illegal Armenian settlements in the Nagorno-Karabakh region of western Azerbaijan. The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict began in the late 1980s and later escalated into a full-fledged war. More than 30,000 people were killed before a cease-fire in 1994, leaving more than 20 percent of Azerbaijan’s internationally recognized territory occupied by Armenia."

https://spectator.org/using-israel-as-a-model-trump-can-make-american-azerbaijani-ties-great-again/