Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Artsakh]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

" I am proud that in the Karabakh war we killed 25,000 Azeris and only 5,000 Armenians were killed. I am proud that my friends and I took part in that war. And my son is also proud of this. And if they again start the war, they should know that the
score will be the same. And I am not proud of this secretly at night, I am openly proud of this. I think there is nothing shameful in it. It is in this way that any nation is educated. There is already no time when they could kill us unarmed and defenceless."

--Vahan Hovhanissian


Proud, INDEED!!! and let the enemy know that!!!

[Artsakh]

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Such anger! Especially i liked the bold caps letters, they really express your feeling. but let me tell you something if we start a new war and dont achieve what we planned then my kids will do it in their lifetime. With every war i promise you more and more destruction every war will leave NK in ruins whether we get it back or not. and with every war we will push you back another 30 years. No matter what, we will not stop not now not in 30 or 100 years. So you do your thing and i will do mine. by saying ARTSAKH IS ARMENIA lol you are not going to change our minds.
P.S. but if we come to our senses and realize why we are fighting and who benefits from our blood maybe then we could be understand each other.

Although you are my enemy (being a Turk and all), I must say that I like your character. You defend your stance, and I can't blame you for doing that, and you don't forget not to cross your limits. For that, I commend you!

NOWWWWWWWWWW,

Don't forget that war against Karabakh will be faught on "Azeri soil," so the destruction you will bring upon yourselves. War will have catastrophic consequences not only for Armenia, and don't you forget it. If war will take Armenia back, it will take Azerbaijan back times 4. You are just 1 person. You've never seen war. You don't know what war is. YOur people are the first to not want war. You can only hire foreigners to fight for you, but we,'re fighting for our land. And when the shiiiitt hits the fan, Karabakh will be fighting for survival--it will stop at nothing, where as for Azerbaijan its a matter of having your pride hurt.

if you think you have refugee problem now, 1 mistake on azerbaboonistans part will result in an additional 2 to 3 million, can you live with that? your government knows it too well.

along with that, don't forget to take the desires of the big powers into consideration. neither russia nor iran will let Armenia give up lands, even if the armenians themselves were willing to do that.

did you hear the recent statement of Iranian embassy in Yerevan? there was not a single mention of "territorial integrity" in their statement in their approach for settlement of the conflict.

as stated by Azeri experts, war won't last long, Russia will interfere like in georgia, cripple your entire military, and end it in 2 or 3 days.

and, between us, you know damn well that Azeris are no fighters. Even in the soviet years, in ww2 and afghanistan, you guys were pus*ies. While Armenians produced over 60 generals, and 4 out of 10 marshals of the soviety union. Baghramyan, as you know, was a Karabachci.

[ninetoyadome]

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Ok i will try to explain this as good as i can.

Reason for new war is easy and simple to returned captured lands back and nothing more. I said this many times that if our lands will be returned in good will i will try my best to forgive and live next our neighbors with open heart like me and rest of my family did for years...

As to this funny part (f you think you have been wronged and want justice because you feel some sort of personal damage has been done to your emotions and ethnic identity because other people (i.e. the population of NK) have tried and largely succeeded in their aims of self-determination, then you are misusing both the meaning and purpose ) i want to say that im not a little angry kid who is fierce on anything Armenian, like i see most of Armenians calling us "Toorks" and legitimizing their action simply because of ex history with Turkey. I just want our lands back i grew up in Shusha i use to drive there to the top of the mountain with my father i still remember the area. I just want my country to restore what belongs to us and it recognized by all world organizations

As to other propaganda that will make me go to war or something you asked, well the only thing that will is love and devotion to my country.

Actually the international organizations do not recognize Karabakh part of Azerbaijan. The resolution were unjust, the only countries that voted in favor of the resolution, recognizing Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, were other muslim countries and countries who also have territorial disputes. The US, Russia, Great Britain, France, etc. all voted against the resolution so i dont know why Azerbaijan is so proud of the resolution.
Azerbaijan's constitution states "Azerbaijan declared itself the successor of the Azerbaijani Republic that existed from 1918-1920". Karabakh was never part of that republic, it was given to Soviet Azerbaijan by Stalin in 1923.
So i dont know where Azeris got the idea Karabakh had always been part of Azerbaijan.

[umid123]

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Although you are my enemy (being a Turk and all), I must say that I like your character. You defend your stance, and I can't blame you for doing that, and you don't forget not to cross your limits. For that, I commend you!

NOWWWWWWWWWW,

Don't forget that war against Karabakh will be faught on "Azeri soil," so the destruction you will bring upon yourselves. War will have catastrophic consequences now only for Armenia, and don't you forget it. If war will take Armenia back, it will take Azerbaijan back times 4. You are just 1 person. You've never seen war. You don't know what war is. YOur people are the first to not want war. You can only hire foreigners to fight for you, but we,'re fighting for our land. And when the shiiiitt hits the fan, Karabakh will be fighting for survival--it will stop at nothing, where as for Azerbaijan its a matter of having your pride hurt.

if you think you have refugee problem now, 1 mistake on azerbaboonistans part will result in an additional 2 to 3 million, can you live with that? your government knows it too well.

along with that, don't forget to take the desires of the big powers into consideration. neither russia nor iran will let Armenia give up lands, even if the armenians themselves were willing to do that.

did you hear the recent statement of Iranian embassy in Yerevan? there was not a single mention of "territorial integrity" in their statement in their approach for settlement of the conflict.

and, between us, you know damn well that Azeris are no fighters. Even in the soviet years, in ww2 and afghanistan, you guys were pus*ies. While Armenians produced over 60 generals, and 4 out of 10 marshals of the soviety union. Baghramyan, as you know, was a Karabachci.

We cant avoid destruction on both sides we know this, We know that to charge and liberate our lands we will need to leave dead at least 15k people in the first 6-12 months, this is known we expect to take heavy losses because of the terrain and defensive positions that have been learned. We know that every Armenian soldier will be waiting for his pray we study it and we are taught how to minimize the damage. Our country needs to leave dead around 25k people withing a year if we want win, with those losses it is possible but that is also 1/3 of our army and obviously Baku will be broke but so will be Armenia. And i am not discluding the fact that the third war might start at some point in the future from your side again. this is what i am trying to explain that we cant escape each other, it is impossible we live next door i cant punch you and run away coz i will be next door. And it will go on forever death of life for the reason to keep Kavkaz weak. imagine Georgia Azerbaijan and Armenia working together like its all good. Even if we small we all have our own great contributions that we could share and xxxx someone else instead. but until then we will be kicking each other in the face and never be 100% sure exactly why is this all happening.

[umid123]

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Actually the international organizations do not recognize Karabakh part of Azerbaijan. The resolution were unjust, the only countries that voted in favor of the resolution, recognizing Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, were other muslim countries and countries who also have territorial disputes. The US, Russia, Great Britain, France, etc. all voted against the resolution so i dont know why Azerbaijan is so proud of the resolution.
Azerbaijan's constitution states "Azerbaijan declared itself the successor of the Azerbaijani Republic that existed from 1918-1920". Karabakh was never part of that republic, it was given to Soviet Azerbaijan by Stalin in 1923.
So i dont know where Azeris got the idea Karabakh had always been part of Azerbaijan.

I dont know any country that doesn't think Nk is not terittory of Azerbaijan. Well perhaps some countries like Venezuela or something but those are just puppets

i just saw this .. http://today.az/news/politics/86611.html

[Artsakh]

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We cant avoid destruction on both sides we know this, We know that to charge and liberate our lands we will need to leave dead at least 15k people in the first 6-12 months, this is known we expect to take heavy losses because of the terrain and defensive positions that have been learned. We know that every Armenian soldier will be waiting for his pray we study it and we are taught how to minimize the damage. Our country needs to leave dead around 25k people withing a year if we want win, with those losses it is possible but that is also 1/3 of our army and obviously Baku will be broke but so will be Armenia. And i am not discluding the fact that the third war might start at some point in the future from your side again. this is what i am trying to explain that we cant escape each other, it is impossible we live next door i cant punch you and run away coz i will be next door. And it will go on forever death of life for the reason to keep Kavkaz weak. imagine Georgia Azerbaijan and Armenia working together like its all good. Even if we small we all have our own great contributions that we could share and xxxx someone else instead. but until then we will be kicking each other in the face and never be 100% sure exactly why is this all happening.

I agree with you, it is quite sad. There are no bad nation, just bad people. In the soviet times we lived side by side. After all, we're all people. But, in reality, only good people think that way. Most people will never understand this. Most people, when they gain an upper hand, will squash it's competitor. That's human nature.

that is why if armenia gives up any lands, it will be at mercy. there will never be any peace. azerbaijan will want more, will put more pressure, and try to influence according to its interests. on both sides, innocent people are lossing their lives. but, as an armenian, and knowing the cruel and unforgiving world we live in, i can never accept withdrawl of any land. But for azerbaijan, i see it as a big enough country, has enough land, has a sea and lots of oil resources. You don't need the land to survive. But armenia without it, will be weak and at the mercy. For us, its a matter of survival.

[Mos]

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I dont know any country that doesn't think Nk is not terittory of Azerbaijan. Well perhaps some countries like Venezuela or something but those are just puppets

i just saw this .. http://today.az/news/politics/86611.html

Doesn't mean anything and doesn't take away from the reality that Karabakh is separated from Azerbaijan now. What is important is not what other countries are saying, but the principles that are being used in the negotiations to broker a peace deal.

[Eddo211]

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This is also a little bit funny , just dnt underestimate ur opponent. you never know what the outcome of the new war will be. just like all the odds were against you in the first war, all the odds are against us in the second.

Please be fair and dont say that Armenia never intentionally hit civilians. they have the same soviet mentally as the rest of us. many times i let few things slide here, but to say that civilian targets have no value for us and that is not the way we operate is just big ass bullxxxx , and im not sure if you served or participated in the first war but i am sure that for Sure! Armenians targeted civilians all day!

I never said there wont be any civilian casualties, however Armenia does not use them as human shields or sacrifice them for political advantages.

You want peace? Remove your blockade of Armenia, stop your information war, and recognize NKR.....I buy you a beer myself.

[KarotheGreat]

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We cant avoid destruction on both sides we know this, We know that to charge and liberate our lands we will need to leave dead at least 15k people in the first 6-12 months, this is known we expect to take heavy losses because of the terrain and defensive positions that have been learned. We know that every Armenian soldier will be waiting for his pray we study it and we are taught how to minimize the damage. Our country needs to leave dead around 25k people withing a year if we want win, with those losses it is possible but that is also 1/3 of our army and obviously Baku will be broke but so will be Armenia. And i am not discluding the fact that the third war might start at some point in the future from your side again. this is what i am trying to explain that we cant escape each other, it is impossible we live next door i cant punch you and run away coz i will be next door. And it will go on forever death of life for the reason to keep Kavkaz weak. imagine Georgia Azerbaijan and Armenia working together like its all good. Even if we small we all have our own great contributions that we could share and xxxx someone else instead. but until then we will be kicking each other in the face and never be 100% sure exactly why is this all happening.

The moment that all three states can work together is the moment that Azerbaijan and Georgia see that their are 6 republics in the Caucasus and not three. The people of Artsakh want peace and to be free. As human beings they have the right to their independence or don't you agree with that? The people living there do not care what you or any other Azeri care or promise them because they know the moment the lands return to the Azeris it's going to be their end. So what now needs to be done is for you guys to accept Artsakh as a free and independent state.

If you start a war I can promise you the good days will be gone. I hope you didn't think the last war was bad? Because now we are going on conquest. Open war on many fronts, Armenia and the Diaspora will use all their power against your country. This time you oil installation will be the first to be destroyed crippling your war machine and country for many years. Secondly your railway systems will be taken out, your raw recruits will be slaughtered many thousands of deaths. More land will be liberate, maybe even other minorities will rise against the oppression and create their own independent country. You've said it Azerbaijan can not exist in its current form because it seems that you guys don't know what losing a war means.

[Joseph]

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http://times.am/2011/05/21/azerbaijani-defense-ministry-confirmed-the-death-of-the-sniper/

Azerbaijani Defense Ministry confirmed the death of the sniper
BY TIMES.AM AT 21 MAY, 2011, 1:06 PM

As Times.am has already informed referring to the information-analytic web-site voskanapat.info, on May 20, in the evening, the soldier of Azerbaijani Army was dead. The soldier Rakhman Eldar oglu Mamedov tried to enter to the territory of NKR and act a diversion.

According to the source the killed soldier was a sniper and it is also not excepted, that he participated in the murder of Armenian soldier on April 28. So his removal was just a part of liquidation of Azerbaijani snipers.

Azerbaijani Defense Ministry confirmed the fact of the death of the soldier.

/Times.am/