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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Azerbaijani plane crashes in Afghanistan

    Wed 06 July 2011 07:26 GMT | 3:26 Local Time

    The Taleban are claiming responsibility for the crash of an Azerbaijani cargo plane in Afghanistan, which had nine people on board

    Afghanistan's air traffic control lost contact with the Il-76 plane as it was preparing to land at 02.10 Baku time on Wednesday (21.10 GMT on 5 July) not far from Bagram airport and it disappeared from the radar screens, Azerbaijan's State Civil Aviation Administration said in a statement.

    An air traffic controller in Kabul reported seeing a flash in the sky at a height of 4 km and distance of 25 km.

    The administration said the plane had nine crew on board, while sources in Azerbaijani Airlines (AZAL) earlier said the crew was made up of two Azerbaijani citizens and six Uzbek citizens.

    The governor of Siah Gerd in Afghanistan's Parvand Province, Abdulhalim Mujaddidi, told Trend news agency that all the crew had died.


    Taleban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid claimed to Afghan journalists that the plane had been shot down by the Taleban, Iran's Fars news agency reported.

    Local governor Abdulhalim Mujaddidi denied the Taleban were responsible for the crash.

    British Maj. Tim James, a spokesman for the US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, told RIA-Novosti that no Taleban activity had been registered in the area recently.

    He said the plane had plunged into a mountainside at about 12,500 feet (3,800 metres).

    He also noted that the crashed airfract did not belong to NATO and it worked with International Security Assistance Force under a contract, Gun.Az reports with reference to Trend.

    Azerbaijan's Civil Aviation Administration said the crew had reported no problems before communications were lost. A collision with an unknown object could, therefore, have been the cause of the crash.

    The captain of the aircraft was Sergey Viktorovich Kuzmin, born in 1969 and an experienced pilot with 4,576 flying hours under his belt, Azerbaijan's Civil Aviation Administration said.

    The plane, flying from Baku to Bagram, was carrying 18 tonnes of cargo and took off from Baku at 21.26 local time (16.26 GMT) on 5 July.

    The Russian-built Ilyushin-76 4K-AZ 55 had a payload of 40 tonnes and was built in 2005. It had its last full technical inspection in February 2011 and a regular technical inspection in June.

    The plane belonged to Silk Way Holding, a company closely linked to Azerbaijan Airlines.

    An Azerbaijani commission has been created to investigate the incident and will leave for Afghanistan soon.

    News.Az
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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Хроники Арцахского противостояния. 23 ноября 1988 г.



      В ночь с 22-го на 23-е ноября 1988 года в город Кировабад (Гандзак) были введены подразделения внутренних войск МВД СССР, формально - для обеспечения общественного порядка. Военным комендантом города был назначен генерал-майор Петр Полях, первым же приказом которого стало объявление в Кировабаде комендантского часа с 22-х до 6 часов утра. Удивительно, но войска расположились не в районе водораздела между армянской и турецкой частями города, а в населенный исключительно азербайджанцами микрорайон Багманляр. Власти города пошли на этот шаг умышленно: на утро было намечено решающее наступление азеротурецких погромщиков на армянскую часть города с целью до завершения первоначального этапа дислокации советских войск окончательно «закрыть» армянский вопрос в этом, отдельно взятом городе.
      Итак, утром 23 ноября огромная толпа азеротурок пошла в массированную и, пожалуй, самую мощную за все время атаку на армянские кварталы Гандзака. Однако надеждам погромщиков захватить армянскую часть города и на этот раз не суждено было сбыться: атака была успешно пресечена армянами еще на мосту по улице Джапаридзе. Двое нападавших отправились к своим алтайским праотцам, еще несколько десятков были задержаны армянскими ополченцами. Все они позднее были допрошены в штабе комитета, а их показания запротоколированы. А битая армянами погромная толпа, завывая от страха и бессильной злобы, бесславно ринулась наутек и, заполнив через некоторое время площадь Ленина перед зданием горкома партии и городской администрации, стала требовать… вывода армейских частей из Кировабада, смены городского руководства, допустившего ввод войск, ну и, как водится, смерти армянам. Отдельного «внимания» ревущей толпы азеротурок удостоился настоятель церкви Сурб Григор Тер-Саак. Не сумевшая в первый день эскалации разнести этот армянский храм, а затем еще дважды битая армянами толпа «толерантов», пообещала отрезать священнику голову и вручить ее армянам на подносе. К этому времени здание горкома уже было взято под охрану подразделениями внутренних войск. В самый разгар этого несанкционированного националистического митинга на площадь на большой скорости въехал грузовик и буквально протаранил строй советских солдат. В результате данного инцидента трое советских военнослужащих погибли. Однако советская пресса тех лет полностью исказила суть трагедии. В частности, газета «Комсомольская правда» поведала союзному читателю, что шеренга солдат прикрывала собой, якобы, не здание кировабадского горкома партии, а… армян, и грузовик наскочил на солдат… с тыла. И это притом, что площадь Ленина находится в глубине азербайджанской части города и на достаточном удалении от армянской.
      К слову сказать, это была далеко не первая, и будет далеко не последняя ложь союзной прессы о карабахском конфликте и армянском народе. Так, в сентябре 1988-го, сразу после введения в НКАО и Агдамском районе особого положения, в №41 еженедельника «Ветеран» была опубликована статья некоего подполковника Ракитина «Особое положение», в которой говорилось буквально следующее: «В Ереване воинам предлагали крупные суммы денег, спиртное, наркотики, женщин за минутную потерю бдительности при несении службы. Но никто не поддался на провокацию, и в этом я вижу большую заслугу политорганов, партийных и комсомольских организаций, воспитавших у воинов высокое понятие о чести и долге солдата». А вот вам еще одна провокация. В журнале записей Постпредства Армянской ССР в Москве зафиксирован следующий факт: «В Постпредство позвонил некто Поднарук из газеты «Известия» и заявил, что, как он узнал из авторитетных источников, в армянской церкви (Кировабада - Пандухт) никого нет. Всех больных и пострадавших перевезли в госпиталь и в городскую больницу. Он обвинил армян в разжигании и провокации...».
      Комментарии, как говорится, излишни.
      В конце концов, бесчинствующей толпе удалось прорвать оцепление, ворваться в здание горкома и даже поджечь его. Однако вызванные на подмогу дополнительные подразделения внутренних войск в короткое время сумели зачистить здание от погромщиков и больше подобного развития событий не допускали.
      Как бы то ни было, вся злоба битых погромщиков переключилась на беззащитное армянское население турецкого левобережья, а также новых микрорайонов правого берега – КирАЗа и Гюлистана. Жестокие погромы, избиения и изнасилования продолжались здесь вплоть до 25 ноября. Всего в первые дни было разгромлено более тысячи армянских квартир, а их общее количество за все дни эскалации составило четыре тысячи. Однако, благодаря грамотной самообороне, помощи отважных добровольцев из армянских кварталов города, а также военнослужащих советской армии, армянам этих кварталов удалось вырваться в «свою» часть города, некоторое количество людей нашло убежище под крышами войсковых подразделений. В этих, продолжавшихся три дня столкновениях, азеротурецкие погромщики оставили на «поле боя» более десятка убитых.
      Не удовольствовавшись разрушением памятника Хачатуру Абовяну у носящей его имя армянской школы №10, вандалы посрывали таблички с армянскими названиями улиц, разбили памятник писателю, уроженцу Гандзака Акопу Акопяну, сломали и сбросили с постамента памятник маршалу И. Х. Баграмяну и, зацепив его тросом, под восторженное улюлюканье толпы таскали по улицам азербайджанских кварталов.
      Но только погромами и актами вандализма дело не ограничилось. В эти же дни все работники-армяне были изгнаны со своих рабочих мест. У армян, пришедших снять вклады в сберегательных кассах города, безжалостно рвались паспорта, то же самое происходило и в кассах Аэрофлота. Очень много людей осталось совершенно без документов. Из городских стационаров были варварски изгнаны все больные армянской национальности, включая тяжелобольных и недавно прооперированных. Большинство из них нашло приют и уход в медицинском пункте армянского квартала. При этом надо учесть, что в армянскую часть города «скорая помощь» не выезжала. Кроме того, здесь не функционировал транспорт, сюда не подавалась вода, отключались телефонная связь и подача газа. Армян – жителей азербайджанских кварталов заставили отправить коллективную телеграмму в адрес генсека Горбачева с требованием «не отдавать Карабах армянским националистам».
      С вечера 23 ноября членам комитета «Гандзак» удалось согласовать с военной комендатурой вопрос спасения армян, не сумевших с началом событий выбраться из азербайджанской части города. Для этих целей было выделено два автобуса, взвод военнослужащих сопровождения под руководством офицера, а также более двух десятков пропусков, разрешающих нахождение вне дома во время комендантского часа.
      В первую же ночь после объявления особого положения десять армянских добровольцев в составе вышеуказанной группы отправились в турецкую часть города и вывезли оттуда более семи десятков армян – в основном женщин, детей и стариков, прятавшихся в подвалах и на чердаках кировабадских пяти- и семиэтажек. Их местоположение узнавали из рассказов тех армян, кому удалось найти спасение в армянской части города. Кроме того, комендантом Поляхом был отдан приказ открывать огонь на поражение по погромщикам в случае нападения на группу спасения и, таким образом, в эту ночь были ликвидированы трое нападавших закавказских турок – жителей Кировабада.
      После доставки спасенных людей в штаб комитета, здесь началась регистрация и прием заявлений от жертв погромов. В обществе армянских беженцев «Аазанг» в Ереване в настоящий момент хранятся тысячи копий заявлений в Генеральную прокуратуру СССР от армян Гандзака, чье жилье было варварским образом разгромлено, а имущество не менее варварски разграблено и расхищено, а также письменные показания захваченных в плен погромщиков. А поисково-спасательные рейды, подобные рейду в ночь с 23-го на 24-е, продолжились и в последующие ночи.
      Всего в ходе ожесточенных столкновений между азербайджанскими погромщиками и обороняющимися от них армянами в Гандзаке погибло трое армян и 27 азербайджанских погромщиков. Это статистика именно столкновений. Причем из 27 погибших турок военнослужащими советских внутренних войск были ликвидированы лишь пятеро. Всех остальных бандитов уничтожили члены армянских отрядов самообороны Гандзака. Эта статистика красноречиво свидетельствует о том, что осажденные гандзакские армяне не только активно оборонялись, но и наносили по азеротуркам превентивные удары, били количественно в разы превосходящего врага по всем правилам ведения уличного боя.
      В это же время появляется и новое явление периода развала огромной страны, которое позднее примет массовый характер - заложники. Первыми такими заложниками стали мирные армянские жители Карабаха, Азербайджана, а также жители приграничных с этой республикой районов Армении. Одним из первых советских заложников оказался уроженец Ханлара Саркис Чилингарян 1923 года рождения, за освобождение которого родственниками была уплачена значительная сумма.
      Знаменитый советский правозащитник Андрей Сахаров, в то время находившийся в США, получив известия об эскалации напряженности в регионе, изменил программу своего зарубежного визита таким образом, чтобы привлечь как можно больше внимания мировой общественности к произволу и беззакониям, творящимся в отношении армян в Советском Азербайджане. Он призвал советское руководство публиковать полную и объективную информацию о происходящих в регионе событиях, для чего разрешить журналистам беспрепятственный допуск в объятое пламенем межнациональных столкновений Закавказье. Кроме того, Сахаров потребовал направить в Азербайджан воинские подразделения в количестве, достаточном для защиты армянского населения, а самим местным армянам разрешить организовывать отряды самообороны. Главным же требованием Андрея Дмитриевича к руководству СССР стало требование о выведении НКАО из подчинения Азербайджанской ССР с одновременным введением временного административного управления со стороны центрального правительства.

      ПАНДУХТ

      Фотография из книги "Гандзак. Неутраченный мир".

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan



        THE PESSMISTS WERE BETTER INFORMED

        By David Petrosyan

        July 4, 2011


        As it was predicted by the greater part of experts, dealing with
        the problems of the South Caucasus, a tripartite meeting between the
        presidents of Azerbaijan, Armenia and Russia in Kazan failed. The
        "Basic principles for a settlement," of Nagorno Karabakh conflict that
        was prepared to be signed, remained unsigned. The pessimists were
        right, and this because they were probably better informed about the
        negotiations than the optimists.

        Analyzing open sources of the information, we came to the
        conclusion that during the meeting in Kazan the official Baku had
        proposed 10 recommendations to the prepared document: according to
        other sources such proposals are amounted to 12. In response to
        suggestions of Azerbaijan on the prepared document, the Armenian side
        also put forward a counter proposal. Thus, the meeting failed and the
        image of the Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, as a mediator and
        peacekeeper, took quite a severe blow. And so we have a stiff, but
        still not a public reaction to the events from the highest circles of
        the Russian power.

        What is the cause of such actions in Azerbaijan?

        It becomes obvious that official Baku understands the right of
        nations on self-determination just as a right to autonomy rather than
        to secession. As an example, Azerbaijan often cites the status of
        South Tyrol in Austria. Curiously, several years before the 2008 war
        between Georgia and Russia (the war began as a Georgian-Ossetian war),
        the Georgian side also sought the consent of the international
        authorities on South Ossetia's status within the Georgian state, by
        the analogy with the status of South Tyrol in Austria. It is also
        interesting that Russia did not object to this approach within the
        OSCE.

        Blasting and delaying of the negotiations within the framework of
        the OSCE Minsk Group and the failure of the compromise agreement
        between the sides of the conflict are only a consequence of the
        political strategy of Baku, oriented as a military revenge. The
        commonly held belief in Azerbaijan is that the political and economic
        imbalance between Baku on one hand, and Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh
        on the other, in the foreseeable future will allow them either to get
        unilateral concessions at the negotiation table from Yerevan and
        Stepanakert, or start a new war with the aim of regaining control over
        Nagorno-Karabakh.

        The basis for the formation of such a strategy is a significant
        influx of petrodollars, the purchase of heavy and offensive weapons,
        including the latest models, as well as developing their own
        military-industrial complex and political support from Ankara in the
        conduct of its business strategy.

        Confidence has reached a point in Baku that they consider
        Azerbaijan to be a strong and self-sufficient state that can easily
        derail not only the signing of an agreement on "basic principles" in
        Kazan, but also the normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations.

        In many respects, this situation is the result of policies of
        major external actors, primarily the U.S. and the EU, who using the
        existing political and economic tools, achieved the weakening of the
        system of the Armenian side in order to achieve the withdrawal of
        Armenian troops from "security zones" around the borders of the former
        Nagorno-Karabakh autonomous region of Azerbaijan SSR. In addition,
        Western countries were interested in weakening of Armenia and
        Nagorno-Karabakh, as real and potential political-military allies of
        Moscow.

        However, there is an interesting fact that this political strategy
        of the West, aimed at weakening of Armenia, de facto, in many ways was
        supported by Moscow, which was eager to win the sympathies of
        Azerbaijan and wanted to strengthen its influence on the energy policy
        of this country.

        As a result, the West and Russia seemed to have achieved their
        objective to guide official Yerevan to align Stepanakert to be
        principally prepared to withdraw its troops from some areas of the
        "security zone". However, the mediator countries got another problem:
        the political and economic imbalance has led to the denial of
        recognition of Baku on rights of the people of Nagorno Karabakh to
        self-determination, except the right to autonomy, as well as to
        demonstrate obviously its willingness to open a new war and revenge
        for defeat from 1991 to 1994. Anti-Armenian rhetoric in Baku reached
        such a peak that few countries were left in the world that would not
        be aware that Nagorno-Karabakh could not remain as a part of
        Azerbaijan.

        A natural question arises: what can mediator countries do in this
        situation?

        In our opinion, international diplomacy must learn from the events
        that took place five years ago in South Ossetia, when the leadership
        of the former mother country on behalf of the President Mikheil
        Saakashvili decided to attack Tskhinvali.

        The idea is that the mediators in the first place, must make full
        and effective guarantees of non-resumption of hostilities in the zone
        of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, and only then to return to the work on
        "basic principles". There are enough solid tools to the disposal of
        the mediators and international organizations to do this. These are as
        follows:

        - four UN Security Council Resolutions (NN 822, 853, 874, 884),
        adopted at the beginning of the 90s, which require all three sides of
        the conflict to ceasefire,

        - "The Bishkek Protocol" dated 5 May 1994, signed under the
        mediation of Russia and Kyrgyzstan, as well as "Agreement on
        ceasefire" from May 12, 1994 under the mediation of Russia,

        - signed in February 1995 by three sides of the conflict under the
        auspices of the OSCE agreement on strengthening the cease-confidence
        measures in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Let us recall that this
        agreement has been prepared in close cooperation of diplomats of
        Russia and Sweden, who then chaired the OSCE. Note that this agreement
        has not yet been carried out through the fault of Baku,

        - "The Treaty on limitation of Conventional Armed Forces in Europe."
        It is obvious that the items relating to numerical limitations of
        heavy and offensive weapons are not being fulfilled by Azerbaijan. At
        the same time, the Azerbaijani side refers to the unaccounted weaponry
        held by the armed IDF of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and in the
        "security zone". However, this is not an obstacle that international
        organizations can make more frequent military inspections in the
        region and, finally, to fix officially that Baku does not comply with
        the basic points of agreement that is not complying its international
        obligations.

        Naturally, the above-mentioned tools can be extended, however,
        full implementation of existing instruments is sufficient to achieve a
        high level of guarantees of non-resumption of hostilities in the
        Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

        There is another important and relatively new aspect in connection
        with the settlement of Nagorno Karabakh conflict. We are talking about
        the military rhetoric of Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev, who in its
        form and content reminds the war rhetoric of President Mikheil
        Saakashvili in 2008.

        Paradoxically, the foreign policy of the incumbent President of
        Azerbaijan increasingly resembles not his father's Heydar Aliev's but
        the policy of his predecessor, the second president of the country
        Abulfaz Elchibey. Let us recall that the latter declared that
        according to the war results, he would swim in Lake Sevan. Just at the
        presence of the President A. Elchibey the Azerbaijani side, having a
        significant advantage in offensive weapons began a large-scale
        escalation of the conflict.

        As to Heydar Aliyev, in autumn of 1993 and winter of 1993 -1994, he
        realized the futility of their attempts to achieve a military solution
        to the problem. Being an intelligent and pragmatic politician, the
        third president of Azerbaijan was trying to reach a settlement of the
        conflict at the negotiation table. In support of this thesis, we refer
        to the spring interview of the first and second presidents of Armenia
        Levon Ter-Petrosyan (1991-1998) and Robert Kocharian (1998-2008):
        according to them, the sides were close to the resolution of the
        conflict in 1997 and 2001, that was when their partner in the
        negotiations was the president Heydar Aliyev. When Aliyev - son was
        governing, as we were informed, such situations had not yet occurred.

        The tendency of some Western diplomats, particularly Europeans, to
        the policy of appeasing the current president of "strong Azerbaijan"
        seems difficult to explain. Indeed, on the eve of the World War II, it
        was the policy of the appeasement of Nazi Germany (it is the "Munich
        Agreement" in 1938, when the Nazis and their allies at first were
        given the Sudetenland, and then the whole of Czechoslovakia) and its
        leaders from countries such as France and Great Britain did not save
        mankind from a bloody disaster. In this regard, it is worth
        remembering the lessons of history.
        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          REPORT ON AZERBAIJAN MILITARY PARADE (Part II)



          120 mm Cardom mortars (Made in Israel)



          Part II: Ground Forces

          The good: They paraded lots of weapon system that many countries would dream to have. Compared to previous parades there were a few new additions. Most notable were the two S-300 PMU-2 units that they had just received. They showed also the new BTR80A APCs, Marauder and Matador MRAP vehicles and a few other bits and pieces. I find their most impressive (and dangerous to us) assets to be in their artillery (SMERCH and LYNX Multiple rocket systems, PION and GIASINT guns etc. ), however they had nothing new in that field (apart from a new Cardom Mortar system made in Yahoodistan).

          The bad: For all their talk about military spending and weapons procurements, they had little to show. For all the "use of force" threats they had nothing new. Let me explain: to conquer Artsakh, they need tracked vehicles that can march on almost any kind of terrain. Wheeled vehicles are not as good for off-road duties and will be limited to paved or harder surfaces, hence limiting their approach routes. Not so good for tactical employment, flexibility and element of surprise. Yet, I saw no new tracked vehicle. They paraded the same T-72 tanks and BMP vehicles that we had seen on ealier occasions. All of them are from the Soviet era. Are they really serious in re-taking Artsakh?

          The ugly: The multitude of weapon systems can be impressive. But it creates huge problems in training, maintaining and logistics. Amongst these, logistics is the biggest one. For example, the Azeri army uses 5 different types of multiple rocket launchers with 5 different calibers (107mm, 122mm, 160mm, 200mm and 300mm). The huge Russian Army uses only 3. We use just 2 (maybe 3 if we indeed have received SMERCHes). The same applies in artillery, small arms, anti-tank missiles etc. etc. so many kinds of calibers, gauges and sizes can create nightmare situations during a war. As the saying goes in officer circles: Amateurs think tactics, Professionals think logistics.

          So, the brief answer to the big questions:
          Question 1:Is the Azeri Army now more capable in waging war against us?
          Answer 1:They are a bit more capable now of course...but so are we.

          Question 2: Is there a shift in the balance of power in Nagorno-Karabagh?
          Answer 2: No, the balance is maintained.
          Last edited by ZORAVAR; 07-06-2011, 08:00 AM.

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            Originally posted by burjuin View Post
            Ukrainian An-225 "Mriya" in Armenia March 18th 2011


            There is only 1 of this in the world and it was in Armenia in March? I wonder what it was transporting. The last time this plane was in Armenia (2009), the world record heaviest cargo ever was transported - generator for a power plant. Maybe we got a second generator?
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              Here's how it was when the An-225 delivered the generator:

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                Another photo 11 August 2009:



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                  Originally posted by Federate View Post
                  There is only 1 of this in the world and it was in Armenia in March? I wonder what it was transporting. The last time this plane was in Armenia (2009), the world record heaviest cargo ever was transported - generator for a power plant. Maybe we got a second generator?
                  Could it have anything to do with the Georgian blockade? Transfering equip to Gyumri?

                  Amasing bird, I would hate to do tire changes on it.......I have heard that this thing can even haul 4 full size tanks, was built for the Soviet space industry carrying booster rockets or something.

                  This is what they call an "Extreem aircraft".
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                    Armenian Army:










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                      Azerbaijan launches production of AK-74M rifles under Russian license
                      July 7, 2011 - 18:27 AMT

                      PanARMENIAN.Net - Azerbaijan has started serial production of AK-74M assault rifles under Russian license.

                      “Khazri” assault rifle differs from the Russian firearms in some features. Night vision devices, target, laser aiming device, light system can be installed on this rifle. The rifle is being produced under the license of “Ijmash” company. The design of the rifle has also been changed. The weight of the rifle has not been changed.

                      According to the State Defense Order Program, the Ministry of Defense Industry will produce 5000 AK-74M “Khazri” assault rifles this year and deliver to the Defense Ministry, APA reported.

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