Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[arakeretzig]

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hmmm. it looks like both sides will keep shooting at each other until one of them gets bored, and another period of calm, another period of shootings, another period of calm, etc., nobody is gonna start a war now, there's too much at stake with Iran tensions, and Russia, and Azeri oil.

[Vrej1915]

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Ադրբեջանական կողմը չի վերահսկում իրավիճակը, զոհվում են նրանց զինվորները. Արցախի ՊԲ
Գլխավոր | Քաղաքականություն || 13:00 / 29.11.2011
ԼՂՀ Պաշտպանության նախարարության մամուլի քարտուղար Սենոր Հասրաթյանը «Ռեգնում» կայքի լրագրողի հետ հարցազրույցում մեկնաբանել է ադրբեջանական լրատվամիջոցների տարածած հերթական ապատեղեկատվությունն՝ իբր թե զոհվել են ոչ թե ադրբեջանցի, այլ հայ զինվորներ:
Հասրաթյանը հայտարարել է, որ տեղեկությունը չի համապատասխանում իրականությանը:
Նա նշել է . «Ադրբեջանական կողմը կա՛մ չի կարողանում վերահսկել իրավիճակը սեփական զինված ուժերում և ցանկանում է իր զոհերին վերագրել հայկական կողմին, կա՛մ էլ սա ադրբեջանական կողմի հերթական ապատեղեկատվությունն է»:
Հասրաթյանը նաև նշել է, որ վերջին մեկ շաբաթում հայկական կողմը զոհեր չի ունեցել:
«Իսկ նոյեմբերի 26-ին շփման գծում ևս մեկ ադրբեջանցի զինծառայող է սպանվել»,- հավելել է Հասրաթյանը:
HayNews.am

[Vrej1915]

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Մեկ հայ զինվորի դիմաց ողջ Ադրբեջանը. Հայրիկյան

29.11.2011
«ՀՀ նախագահը պետք է հայտարարեր` ոչ թե մեկ հայ զինվորի փոխարեն 3 ադրբեջանցի զինվոր կորուստ կունենանք, այլ` կոչնչացնենք Ադրբեջանը , այլապես 3 զինվորի մահով Ադրբեջանին չես սթափեցնի, նրանք շատ են»,- ընդգծել է ԱԻՄ առաջնորդ Պարույր Հայրիկյանն` անդրադառնալով հայ-ադրբեջանական շփման գծում տիրող իրավիճակին: Խոսելով ԼՂՀ հակամարտության կարգավորման գործընթացի ներկայից և ապագայից` Հայրիկյանը նկատել է, որ հայկական կողմին հաջողվում է միջազգային հանրության ուշադրությունը գրավել շփման գծում հակառակորդի հրադադարի խախտումների և ապակառուցողականության վրա: Միաժամանակ ԱԻՄ առաջնորդը զգուշացրել է.
«Մենք ամեն դեպքում չպետք է ապավինենք ոչ մեկի բարեհաճությանը դեպի մեզ և թշնամանքին դեպի մեր հակառակորդն, առավել ևս չպետք է միայն ապավինենք Ռուսաստանին, որովհետև պատմությունը ցույց է տվել, որ երբ միակ ապավենը Ռուսաստանն է եղել, ճակատագրական պահերին կորուստներ ենք ունեցել: Մեր հույսը մեր ազգային ուժի վրա պիտի լինի»:
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[Vardan]

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If you think we have nothing in common then you are stupid, We are the only race genetically close to each other, We are not genetically close to Turkihs peeps and u are not closer to anyone than to us. We are the same candy with different filling. You are just simple and dont understand this.. i am sorry

Chimpanzees and humans such as sum, it does not make you a man

[Spetsnaz]

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Long Live Armenia

[Joseph]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If you think we have nothing in common then you are stupid, We are the only race genetically close to each other, We are not genetically close to Turkihs peeps and u are not closer to anyone than to us. We are the same candy with different filling. You are just simple and dont understand this.. i am sorry

Tell you what, if we're related and you "Azeris" are not Turks, then why not be an Armenian? If we're related, then your ancestors spoke Armenian, were Christian, etc. What you are essentially saying is that your ancestors gave up their pride and with no shame, kicked in with the Turks, converted to Islam, forgot their language, etc. Well if so, maybe you and your people should decide to come back.

[Vrej1915]

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JUST FOR FUN

ARMENIA HOLDS CONSISTENT PROVOCATION ON FRONT LINE - MP

news.az
Nov 28 2011
Azerbaijan

Armenia always use lie and provocation in its policy in an attempt to
further bring this to the attention of world community via mass media.

"It is quite clear that Armenia holds consistent provocation on
the front line and it is a very dangerous tendency", said chairman
of the Milli Majlis committee on international relations and
interparliamentary ties, head of the Azerbaijani delegation in PACE,
Samad Seyidov.

He said Armenians are loyal to this tactics not only on the front
but also in international organizations.

"Armenia always avoids talks. Why? Because it is not used to do
otherwise, because it fears being exposed", Seyidov said.

"Unfortunately, Armenia is not alone in this-here with are dealing
with three Armenias - neighbor Armenia, lobby Armenia and the Armenia
which became a leverage in the hands of the bigger powers. In such a
situation we find it difficult to hold talks since there is no second
Azerbaijan in the world, and it has to deal with three Armenias",
he said.

[Vrej1915]

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PARTICIPANT OF SELF-DEFENSE OPERATIONS IN KIROVABAD: IN CRITICAL SITUATIONS, WE ALWAYS WIN IF WE ARE UNITED

Panorama
Nov 28 2011
Armenia

An exclusive interview by Panorama.am with representative of the
Armenian Refugee Association AHAZANG Grigory Oganezov about Armenian
self-defense operations during the massacres in Kirovabad in November
1988.

According to incomplete data, 18 people were killed in Kirovabad from
November 21 to 27, 1988, 60 are listed as missing, 74 received grave
injuries. Around 45 000 people were forcibly deported from Gandzak.

- We often talk about the Baku and Sumgait massacres but we know
little about the heroic self-defense of Armenians in Gandzak which
was called Kirovabad during the later Soviet Union period.

- During the Armenian massacres of 1988, I participated in self-defense
operations in Kirovabad.

The Sumgait plot was used in Kirovabad, too. The town's Azerbaijani
and Armenian blocks were separated by a river, and the crowd,
crossing the river, penetrated into the Armenian block, destroying
everything in their path. The next day the local authorities were
replacing the broken glasses and repairing the damages trying to
hide the consequences. The same thing had happened in 1959: when
Leninakan football team beat the local team in Kirovabad playing
field, the Azerbaijanis sacked the Armenian block, and the next day
the authorities eliminated the consequences. That is why we expected
that the events would turn this way. Then Soviet troops appeared in the
town, young servicemen who had no idea what was going on in the town.

- That is anti-Armenian speeches had begun long before the November
massacres?

- In February already unconcealed anti-Armenian speeches were voiced
on television, at institutions, we had to accompany our children to
school and back home. Armenians were fired from their jobs. This tense
situation lasted until 1988 November. From mid-November an alleged
environmental protest was being prepared in Kirovabad's Lenin Square,
but the environmental slogans were shortly transformed into calls
"Death to Armenians." We managed to avoid high casualties in Kirovabad
due to correct arrangement and coordination of operations. We were
keeping a close eye on the events in other Azerbaijani regions where
Armenian massacres were taking place.

- So in November already you were ready to hit back at the Azerbaijani
pogrom makers. How was this process organized?

- We gathered in the church, established an initiating committee,
got in touch with commandant Pyotr Polyakh who visited us immediately.

Armenians were phoning the church from the town's Azerbaijani block,
asking for help, with the Azerbaijani pogrom makers having found out
the addresses of local Armenians. The town had declared a curfew. We
asked Polyakh to allow withdrawal of Armenians from Azerbaijani
blocks at nights. On the first night we managed to withdraw nearly 70
families. We took them to the church. The refugees needed shelter, we
had to provide medical aid to injured people, to feed the hungry. With
joint efforts we managed to provide them with clothes, medicines,
and food.

- Is there a documentation of the Armenian massacres in Kirovabad?

- We have collected all facts on the Armenian massacres in Kirovabad
and delivered them to the Soviet leadership. These facts include
statements by 1 300 families, around 5 000 people, while 50 000
Armenians lived in Kirovabad. We compiled lists of Azerbaijani pogrom
makers who raped the Armenian women and killed the men. All these
facts were registered at the military hospital, during the physical
exam, and we have a certificate for each case. Around 70 injured
people stayed in the church, another 300 had parts of their body
amputated with our help. Town hospitals refused to admit them, what
is more, Armenians receiving treatment at hospitals were forced out,
for instance, the wife of the evening school headmaster was forced
out of the hospital after she had her leg amputated.

- Did the Azerbaijanis burst into the Armenian block or they committed
killings in their territory only?

- On the first day of November massacres the Azerbaijanis attacked
the church, then they penetrated into the Armenian block, however,
facing organized resistance, they fled to the Azerbaijani side. We
immediately introduced explanations to the commandants on where
and how to block the points leading to Armenian streets in order
to prevent the Azerbaijani attacks. After we were deprived of phone
communication, electricity and water, we asked for a walkie-talkie
to keep in touch with the commandants. The initiating committee met
every day to coordinate the operations. Every Armenian block and
street organized self-defense.

- Were the Armenians evacuated from the town?

- No one had thought we would have to leave Kirovabad. However, after
the earthquake in Armenia we realized that we could not get help
from anywhere, and we fled on our own, with our own resources. The
initiating committee stayed in Kirovabad from 1988 December to 1989
August and organized evacuations of the Armenians. They were leaving
either for Armenia or Russia. There was a military unit in Kirovabad
where planes were repaired, and together with Armenians, all Russians
were also forcedly deported from there and joined us in the church.

There were also Georgians there. These were not only Armenian
massacres, but massacres of all non-Azerbaijanis. Azerbaijanis arriving
from Armenia exchanged their apartments with the property of the
Armenians in Kirovabad, they deceived Armenians, transferring their
apartments in Armenia to several Armenian families simultaneously,
after which many families were left homeless. On returning to Armenia,
they saw other legal owners living in the apartment transferred to
them also. The Armenians were transferred from the town by public
transport vehicles arriving from Georgia, which were often robbed
by the Azerbaijanis on the way. There were cases when passengers
of Baku-Ijevan train were forced to get off the train at Kirovabad
station and the train would not move on. The Azerbaijanis surrounded
the train, demanding to transfer the Armenians to them.

- Who coordinated the Armenian massacres in Kirovabad?

- The local government. I have kept a recording of speech by second
secretary of Kirovabad Jumshud Mamedov during a rally where he
said that only 500-600 families were killed. Despite the facts were
deliberately distorted and cut threefold, it sounded horrible. The
local prosecutor's office had registered the massacres in the period
from November 21 to 27 because Kirovabad leadership made public just
these data during anti-Armenian actions. We have kept a recording
where an Azerbaijani confesses that they were forced to attend these
rallies under the threat of being fired from job. The Armenophobic
propaganda was on the highest level. All these facts were transferred
to the Soviet Prosecutor's Office and are kept at archives.

- Was this in fact the first organized resistance to Azerbaijani
brutal crowd? Did it influence further developments?

- Kirovabad's self-defense was an incentive for Karabakh. Cars arrived
even from Stepanakert, delivering food to us. We felt that support. In
critical situations, we, Armenians, always win if we are united. When
the initiating committee was leaving Kirovabad finally, we locked the
church and brought the keys to Etchmiadzin. We did not manage to take
away the church property. We are preparing a letter to UNESCO to save
the church and the Armenian cemetery from vandalism. Besides, I am
making a book with all facts on the Armenian massacres in Kirovabad,
official documents, recordings, and evidence.

- Every year you gather to commemorate the victims of Armenian
massacres.

- Yes, we have installed a khachkar (cross-stone) in Tsitsernakaberd in
memory of the Armenians who were killed in Kirovabad and in neighboring
villages. We visit the khachkar on the last Sunday of November every
year and lay flowers at the memorial. We are meeting at Surb Hakob
Church in Kanaker-Zeytun community of Yerevan on November 27. Our
priest, Ter Sahak, who also participated in self-defense operations
in Kirovabad, will offer liturgy, then we will visit Tsitsernakaberd
to lay flowers at the khachkar.

[Vrej1915]

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THE ROLE OF AVIATION IS MUCH GREATER THAN THE 'ISSUE OF PRESTIGE'
Norayr Hovsepian

http://artsakhtert.com/eng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=479:the-role-of-aviation-is-much-greater-than-the-issue-of-prestige&catid=1:all&Itemid=1

Monday, 28 November 2011 05:39

On November 1, it was two years of Dmitry Adbashian's stay in Artsakh.

We think it isn't a small period, especially that you came in the
second Armenian state with a specific mission and there was no spare
time all this period. And the mission is very important - Artsakh
should have its civil aviation. What has been done in this direction
and what is to be done yet? Following is our interview on these and
some other issues with Chief Civil Aviation Department under the NKR
Government Dmitry Adbashian:

- Mr. Adbashian, you came here with a specific mission. Are you
satisfied with the realized works?

- I'll try to bring some facts, but I'd not like to give any
self-evaluation. The works were conducted in a few directions. First,
they are the works conducted at the Stepanakert airport, which are
visible for many people. Two years ago, the basic building was just a
little higher than its foundation. Today, the basic and the adjoining
buildings are completed. This can be seen by those passing near the
airport. The quality of the works was always strictly controlled, and
we are not disappointed with it. Lately, much work was conducted on
the runway. We have widened and strengthened it. But, this is not all.

>From the very beginning, the runway's position was so that its both
sides were covered with hills, which didn't allow comparatively big
aircrafts to make a landing or takeoff, or, at least, they made it
risky. We'd not like to go deep into the issue and search the reasons
in Baku. I'd merely note a fact - changing the direction of the runway
just by a few degree, this inconvenience could be easily avoided. And
if we don't do this, many people will not merely understand us.

Anyway, we have what we have. To change the direction of the runway,
or, to build a new one was inexpedient. And we decided to free the
required space, at least, in one direction. To date, these works are
completed. The tops of the hampering hills were cut. As a result,
the Stepanakert airport can receive all the kinds of airbuses smaller
than Airbus-320. And for the 50-seat CRJ-200, which will be put into
operation here, the conditions are quite favorable.

- What can you say about the equipment? Are the works on the airport's
technical equipment underway?

- These works are completed. In the basic building, all the needed
equipment is installed for receiving, sending, and accompanying the
planes in accordance with the required standards. A few days ago,
we turned on for the first time and tried the lighting system of
the airport. Our expectations were justified. We started making
experimental flights on training aircrafts, checking in practice the
safety of the installed equipment.

- Do you have corresponding specialists for ensuring an efficient job?

- Initially, the flights will be made by invited specialists. I
mean pilots. Much time is needed for their training. We have held
corresponding re-training on other professions. Also, we have equipped
the educational center - the specialists' training and retraining will
have a systematic character. Surely, it is preferable that the entire
personnel comprise local specialists. I hope we'll achieve this goal
in the future. Moreover, our students will have the chance to study
also abroad, in particular, in Russia. We have visited the Artsakh
State University with corresponding proposals.

- Can you briefly introduce the situation in the legal field?

- The issue is half resolved. The civil aviation sphere is already
regulated by the law. But, we haven't got yet the Air Code of the
Republic of Artsakh. Another missing is that our basic documents are in
the Armenian language. This is justified as of the domestic-circulation
documents. But, if we plan flights not only to Armenia and are ready
to receive aircrafts coming not only from Yerevan, so we should have
foreign-language documents, at least, in Russian. This is one of the
unresolved issues.

- And are there many unresolved issues?

- Maybe, it will seem ridiculous. But, though we cut the hills,
the issue of the landfill near the airport is still unresolved. This
represents a possible danger for us, both due to the inevitable smog
and big flocks of birds there.

- Among the unresolved issues, you didn't note the possible
difficulties related to ICAO's (International Civil Aviation
Organization) giving permission for making flights from and to
Stepanakert. You didn't either note the threats permanently sounded
from Baku.

- As of Baku's threats, surely, considering the modern technical
abilities, an aircraft flying from or to Stepanakert can be shelled
from Azerbaijan. But, despite everything, nobody can be unpunished
in shelling a civil aircraft. And this is realized in Baku. If you
have noticed, this issue has been recently avoided even in Azerbaijan.

As of the ICAO, the approaches here are contradicting. On the one
hand, the operation of the Stepanakert airport will give the Artsakh
people the chance to realize their inalienable right to freedom of
movement. This is a common right for all the people, regardless of
their belonging to any state - recognized or unrecognized. Nobody
argues with us on this issue. But, for making flights, inter-state
agreements are needed. Anyway, these issues can be also resolved. I'd
like to note that without violating the international law, we'll make
flights on the same principle, on which some aviation companies make
flights from North Cyprus to different countries. Curiously enough, in
this issue, we'll be comprehended best of all by our basic opponents -
Azerbaijan and Turkey.

- To speak half seriously and half jokingly, some taxi drivers and taxi
services in Artsakh suppose that when the airport starts operating,
their incomes will decrease.

- I'll answer this question seriously. The availability of similar
viewpoints means that the role and significance of the civil aviation
for Artsakh isn't fully realized yet by everybody. If you ask anybody
in the street why we need the civil aviation, probably, you will hear
in response: "We are not worse than others", "This is an issue of
prestige", etc. Surely, it is good that the people have high patriotic
spirit. But, the role of aviation is much greater than just the "issue
of prestige". This will allow us to be closer to the world. We'll
have new and incomparably greater possibilities for the development
of tourism and export of goods - not to Armenia, but to foreign states.

First, we'll have airliners, but in the future, the issue of cargo
aircrafts will be also on the agenda. This will be economically
profitable.

And as of the taxi drivers' concern, aviation was never considered an
alternative to taxi in any country in the world. Surely, this will
not take place in our case either. On the contrary, the airport's
operation will provide an additional job just for taxi drivers.

- In conclusion, I'd like to ask about the prices, which, I'm sure,
is an issue of concern for many people. When will the Stepanakert
airport start operating and what will the price policy be?

- The airport will start operating when it is fully ready. We have
no right to any mistake and we must get ready for this will full
responsibility. Some works are still underway. I can only say that
no news is expected in 2011 in this regard.

As of the prices, they will also depend on the prices for the services
at the receiving airports. Negotiations are still underway. Probably,
the price for a one-way ticket will be about 16000-18000 AMD.

[Spetsnaz]

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This is specially for WANTED.. now u will know where are the dead bodies..btw im sorry i dont have time to translate it...i guess u can have a lot of time to translate this..so translate and be informed where are your brothers resting in peace if we can say so...
btw This information is from an Azerbaijani source (Bolgexeber.com) so u dont have to translate it u can just search it..it happened on november 28.. im posting it in Armenian since my Armenian brothers have to be informed of this

Ադրբեջանական բանակի զինծառայող Էլչին Քերիմբեյլին զորամասի հրամանատար Ջավադ Հուսեյնովի հրամանով հարկադրված է եղել մեկ օր շարունակ մերկ կանգնել ձյան եւ սառույցի վրա, որի հետեւանքով զինվորի ոտքերը ցրտահարվել են, եւ նա մահացել է:

Ադրբեջանական «Յենի Մուսավաթ» թերթը, վկայակոչելով նույն զորամասի զինծառայողներից մեկի հոր, Աղդամի Բահարլը գյուղի բնակիչ Գենդաբ Էդիլովից ստացված տեղեկությունները, հաղորդում է, որ դեպքը տեղի է ունեցել Ադրբեջանի ՊՆ-ի` Մռավի լեռներում գտնվող թիվ N զորամասում: Զինվորին սպանելուց հետո, նրա դիակը ներքեւ են շպրտել պահակակետից, հայտնել է Գենդաբ Էդիլովը` հավելելով, որ այժմ զինվորի մահվան մեջ մեղադրում են իր որդուն: «Մահացած զինվորի հայրը դատարանում հայտնել է, որ իր որդու սպանության մեջ մեղավոր են նրա հրամանատարները` Ինշալահ Մուսաեւը եւ Ջավադ Հուսեյնովը, սակայն նրա խոսքերին ուշադրություն չեն դարձնում»:

Փաստորեն, դատարանը կոծկում է հրամանատար մարդասպանների հանցանքը` մեղադրանք ներկայացնելով գործի հետ կապ չունեցող զինծառայող Էլնուր Էդիլովին, եզրափակում է թերթը:

Հիշեցնենք, որ օրերս ադրբեջանական Bolgexeber.com կայքը հայտնել էր, թե ինչպես Թարթառի շրջանում տեղկայաված զորամասերից մեկի հրամանատարը ֆիզիկական բռնություններ էր կիրառել զորամասի զինծառայող Անար Բեշիրովի դեմ, մասնավորապես հրամանատարը իր նոթատետրը մտցրել էր զինվորի բերանը եւ այրել` նրան լուրջ վնասվածքներ պատճառելով: Զինվորը զանգահարել էր հորը եւ պատմել իր նկատմամբ կիրառվող դաժանությունների մասին: Այնուհետեւ զինվորի հայրը եկել է վերոնշյալ զորամաս, հանդիպել հրամանատարի հետ, իսկ վերջինս էլ խոստովանել էր ամեն ինչ եւ խոստացել էր, որ նման բան այլեւս չի կրկնվի: Կարճ ժամանակ անց Անար Բեշիրովը կրկին զանգահարել էր հորը եւ հայտնել, որ իր դեմ ավելի «դաժան մեթոդներ» են սկսել կիրառել, հաղորդում է կայքը: Այժմ զինծառայողի հայրը փորձում է համապատասխան մարմիններին իրազեկել իր որդու հանդեպ կիրառվող բռնությունների մասին: