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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    On 20/21 March 2000, they had a holiday, called Novruz (they share with Kurds and Iran).
    The commander of their sector got drunk, and ordered a section of 40 to 'go and bring an armenian, they would cut the throat in place of a sheep, as an offer to their god'... (turkish 'habit' from old days, at least they try to replicate...)
    So their unit left their most advanced position regarding Omar pass, called by us the 'crescent', since it looks like one with 2 upper parts on each side.
    And they decided to attack not the main post, wich is well fortified, like a WWII bunker, already then, but the next post, wich had much lower strategic importance.
    Since even if they managed to capture it, they could not keep it, since the highest post on top of Mrav (you saw a band posted by Federate a couple of days ago from the Martakert side ), and the main pass positions would still remain in our hands, and once spotted, they would have been eliminated by these 2 positions cross fire.
    I say this, to show that the operation could not have any military, strategic value.
    It was purely criminal, sadistic instinct of theirs.
    Nevertheless, when they began to move, they have been spotted rapidly by our young conscripts.
    They had first to come down their own position, then climb to ours.
    It takes some time, in such high terrain..
    In normal conditions, when such move is spotted, during black night conditions, there are a lot of clouds, fog, freezing blizzards, frosty, and all the place full of snow and ice that never melts..., our guys begin to shoot, some rounds of AK, they may be hit or not, they may have one or two wounded, ... and they pull back to their trenches, a hell lot of fire, etc.. and business as usual.
    Usual night in Mrav posts.
    But that night, it happened that an 'old' , experienced officer of the NKR army was in that very moment, in the trench, next to our young 18 years old, while he was willing to open fire.
    He forbid anyone to open fire.
    It is a very scary thing, for young, 'unexperienced' guys, (no matter how well trained they might be), to do the job of basically highly trained commando ambush.
    It took all the self confidence, determination, charisma of that small, short and skinny, moustashed, 'old' kharabakhtzi, to impose total silence, and for more than an hour, let the enemy climb to them.
    Of course our young guys were scared, since this is not supposed to happen ever.
    In normal condition they should have opened fire long ago.
    Anyway, they waited to the last moment, and opened fire on order, while the first enemy was at the entrance of the trench.
    They opened fire with all guns, not only AKs, but also bigger calibers, cross fire, etc...
    Next morning they counted 33 corpses left in the no man's land.
    They offered the azaris to take their Navrouz present home, but no one came.
    The corpses remained there, in the snow for some time.
    After that incident, they kept calm for a very long period on that sector.

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
      On 20/21 March 2000, they had a holiday, called Novruz (they share with Kurds and Iran).
      The commander of their sector got drunk, and ordered a section of 40 to 'go and bring an armenian, they would cut the throat in place of a sheep, as an offer to their god'... (turkish 'habit' from old days, at least they try to replicate...)
      So their unit left their most advanced position regarding Omar pass, called by us the 'crescent', since it looks like one with 2 upper parts on each side.
      And they decided to attack not the main post, wich is well fortified, like a WWII bunker, already then, but the next post, wich had much lower strategic importance.
      Since even if they managed to capture it, they could not keep it, since the highest post on top of Mrav (you saw a band posted by Federate a couple of days ago from the Martakert side ), and the main pass positions would still remain in our hands, and once spotted, they would have been eliminated by these 2 positions cross fire.
      I say this, to show that the operation could not have any military, strategic value.
      It was purely criminal, sadistic instinct of theirs.
      Nevertheless, when they began to move, they have been spotted rapidly by our young conscripts.
      They had first to come down their own position, then climb to ours.
      It takes some time, in such high terrain..
      In normal conditions, when such move is spotted, during black night conditions, there are a lot of clouds, fog, freezing blizzards, frosty, and all the place full of snow and ice that never melts..., our guys begin to shoot, some rounds of AK, they may be hit or not, they may have one or two wounded, ... and they pull back to their trenches, a hell lot of fire, etc.. and business as usual.
      Usual night in Mrav posts.
      But that night, it happened that an 'old' , experienced officer of the NKR army was in that very moment, in the trench, next to our young 18 years old, while he was willing to open fire.
      He forbid anyone to open fire.
      It is a very scary thing, for young, 'unexperienced' guys, (no matter how well trained they might be), to do the job of basically highly trained commando ambush.
      It took all the self confidence, determination, charisma of that small, short and skinny, moustashed, 'old' kharabakhtzi, to impose total silence, and for more than an hour, let the enemy climb to them.
      Of course our young guys were scared, since this is not supposed to happen ever.
      In normal condition they should have opened fire long ago.
      Anyway, they waited to the last moment, and opened fire on order, while the first enemy was at the entrance of the trench.
      They opened fire with all guns, not only AKs, but also bigger calibers, cross fire, etc...
      Next morning they counted 33 corpses left in the no man's land.
      They offered the azaris to take their Navrouz present home, but no one came.
      The corpses remained there, in the snow for some time.
      After that incident, they kept calm for a very long period on that sector.
      hahaha. you made my day. what a bunch of fools. azeri life is not worth a dime to them. thanks!

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        It was not the first time they were abandoning the corpses of an entire detachment on Mrav slopes.
        In the winter of 94, end of Febr, when their expeditionary corps of several thousand men was cut off, south of the range, after we took back the pass, their panicked troops gathered in a natural depression, between the main range and its conterforts, to avoid freezing from the blizzard and our incoming grad fire, then commanding officer, Grad Jora, decided to fire not at their hard to hit position (Grads are not easy to use for short range, in mountains, contrary to mortar), but to the top of the montains;
        He created a huge avalanche.
        Hundreds of baba Aliyevs expeditionary xxxgurts were berriyed under meters of snow.
        They never recovered the corpses.
        When I was in the sector, last time, years after all this, you could still see skulls, other bones, mixed in the melting snow with rests of uniforms, in the ice holes.
        They abandoned at least 2000 of their corpses in the winter operations of 1994.
        They still claim they are hostages in NKR, give hope to their mothers...., according their sources we have some 5 thousand such prisoners...
        Human life has not the same value for them.
        That's why, i think killing 15 or so Askars will not be the adequate answer...
        Basically they are not a single, united nation, as we are.
        They are full of minorities, and often they sacrifice them with joy, thinking '2 birds by one stone'.
        This is basically what they did in the infamous xocali incidents too. They sacrificed Turk Mtshkhets from central Asia, for their goals...
        Even if it is necessary to shoot a lot of theirs as an answer, this will not be the deterrent, if we can't find something better...
        Last edited by Vrej1915; 06-05-2012, 02:30 AM.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Armenian forces shoot dead five Azerbaijani soldiers a day after three Armenians are killed in fighting along the two countries' border.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            I have heard often about the Martakert operation during Ossetia war.
            But every time, no detail, when asked.
            Does anybody have concrete details, where concretely, and how much did we advance?
            Is this the same operation Mosso talked about, saying we captured 11 000 acres in the Mrav range?

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              ahaaa... that's what it's all about. look armenia is killing us poor turks, help us etc. etc., more BS talk, UN sessions..
              since they can't get an armo prisoner yet, they get to cry over it too.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                I have heard often about the Martakert operation during Ossetia war.
                But every time, no detail, when asked.
                Does anybody have concrete details, where concretely, and how much did we advance?
                Is this the same operation Mosso talked about, saying we captured 11 000 acres in the Mrav range?
                yes.
                And the only details we know, is how much we advanced along arax river, mrav, and martakert fronts. I guess we'd need inside help to know more.
                Last edited by arakeretzig; 06-05-2012, 03:02 AM.

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                  On 20/21 March 2000, they had a holiday, called Novruz (they share with Kurds and Iran).
                  The commander of their sector got drunk, and ordered a section of 40 to 'go and bring an armenian, they would cut the throat in place of a sheep, as an offer to their god'... (turkish 'habit' from old days, at least they try to replicate...)
                  So their unit left their most advanced position regarding Omar pass, called by us the 'crescent', since it looks like one with 2 upper parts on each side.
                  And they decided to attack not the main post, wich is well fortified, like a WWII bunker, already then, but the next post, wich had much lower strategic importance.
                  Since even if they managed to capture it, they could not keep it, since the highest post on top of Mrav (you saw a band posted by Federate a couple of days ago from the Martakert side ), and the main pass positions would still remain in our hands, and once spotted, they would have been eliminated by these 2 positions cross fire.
                  I say this, to show that the operation could not have any military, strategic value.
                  It was purely criminal, sadistic instinct of theirs.
                  Nevertheless, when they began to move, they have been spotted rapidly by our young conscripts.
                  They had first to come down their own position, then climb to ours.
                  It takes some time, in such high terrain..
                  In normal conditions, when such move is spotted, during black night conditions, there are a lot of clouds, fog, freezing blizzards, frosty, and all the place full of snow and ice that never melts..., our guys begin to shoot, some rounds of AK, they may be hit or not, they may have one or two wounded, ... and they pull back to their trenches, a hell lot of fire, etc.. and business as usual.
                  Usual night in Mrav posts.
                  But that night, it happened that an 'old' , experienced officer of the NKR army was in that very moment, in the trench, next to our young 18 years old, while he was willing to open fire.
                  He forbid anyone to open fire.
                  It is a very scary thing, for young, 'unexperienced' guys, (no matter how well trained they might be), to do the job of basically highly trained commando ambush.
                  It took all the self confidence, determination, charisma of that small, short and skinny, moustashed, 'old' kharabakhtzi, to impose total silence, and for more than an hour, let the enemy climb to them.
                  Of course our young guys were scared, since this is not supposed to happen ever.
                  In normal condition they should have opened fire long ago.
                  Anyway, they waited to the last moment, and opened fire on order, while the first enemy was at the entrance of the trench.
                  They opened fire with all guns, not only AKs, but also bigger calibers, cross fire, etc...
                  Next morning they counted 33 corpses left in the no man's land.
                  They offered the azaris to take their Navrouz present home, but no one came.
                  The corpses remained there, in the snow for some time.
                  After that incident, they kept calm for a very long period on that sector.
                  You were there when this happened?

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by Yerevanski92 View Post
                      You were there when this happened?
                      No, a couple of months later only.
                      But the section who actually did the job, was still there.
                      They all described the same story, different times, different tones.
                      I heard it from the officers and the soldiers.
                      They talked about as business as usual...
                      So I am rather certain.
                      The only thing I can not be sure of, is the exact number of bodies.
                      Some counted less, some more.
                      I would say +/- 5.
                      It is very hard to count bodies on such terrain.
                      It is full of holes filled by moddy ice, big rocks....

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