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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Turkey is NATO's dog. It will do nothing to upset its Western backers. My Armenian is not very good, but I believe that the article has not mentioned that if Turkey buys Russian, other NATO members will stop sharing there intelligence with it.Originally posted by Vrej1915 View PostComment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
i'm not sure of your point.Originally posted by davidoga View Post
Greece is a NATO member and still has a lot of Russian BVO.
If i'm not wrong, they have S_300 in Crete island, in place of Cyprus, as originally planned, after turkish blackmail.Comment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
That is the same article but in English, and says that Turkey will be cut off from information if deal goes through.
I think you have to take into account that collective NATO sympathy is higher for Cyprus tham Turkey. I'm sure there is a more technical reason as well.Comment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
As I understand it, they will refuse to integrate the russian S-400 the turks want to buy (that is much more advanced that the ones our strategic allies gave us), to the similar advanced radar and anti missile systems of theirs, already installed in the territory of Western Armenia and Cappadocia, wich is pretty fair and normal commercial and political blackmail.Originally posted by davidoga View Post
GM may refuse to sell you his parts, if you buy a Toyota.... let's say.
But it is a totally other matter to refuse any intelligence with Turkey, wich by a matter of fact would be isolating that state from the rest of the alliance, showing the door...Comment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
For all the saakashvili admirers out there. It's about time President Putin cleaned up the festering mess on Armenia's northern border. It is sad that georgia remains a threat to Armenians in Tblisi, Javakhk (Not "Javakheti") and independant Abkhazia, while at the same time destorying, denying and attempting to georgianize Armenian heritage and contributions in georgia and georgian history. Note that georgia has its head very far up turkish ass, with turks owning essentially all of the airports in georgia and azerbaijanis owning the energy distribution network. Ironic that only a month or so ago the azerbaijanis mounted troops near the georgian border over their disputed "David Gareja monastery"... Well I guess it's true, those who sleep with dogs should expect to wake up with fleas. Those who sleep with grey wolves should expect to wake up battered and violated, that is if they are not axed while they sleep.Violence erupts on Azeri-Armenian border
After almost two-years, bilateral shootings on the Armenian-Azerbaijani border have resumed. Clashes are becoming more intensive. However, the number of dead increases daily. According to unconfirmed information, the number of victims from both sides has reached 29.
According to the Armenian side, out of the dead soldiers 25 are Azerbaijani and only 4 are Armenian. However, the Defense Ministry of Azerbaijan confirms the death of only 4 Azerbaijani soldiers.
Up until now it’s been hard to establish what is really happening on the Armenian-Azerbaijani front line if we do not consider the fact that the resumption of military actions coincided with the U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Caucasian tour.
Many experts say that this is the response of the Kremlin to the Azerbaijani politics of the White House. But what has irritated Russia? Is the Kremlin angry or is it truly connected to the visit of the State Secretary? Hillary Clinton has not voiced any new initiatives in Yerevan or Baku.
Azerbaijani military expert Azada Isazade thinks that Russia should not let the United States take the role of negotiator in the issue of resolving the Karabakh and other South Caucasian conflicts.
Hillary Clinton’s statement in support of Georgia’s membership in NATO caused particular irritation to Russia. If the international community does not halt the escalation process, large-scale war between Azerbaijan and Armenia is inevitable, Azada Isazade says.
One of the messages Clinton delivered during her visit to Baku was that these countries should not get involved in military confrontations with each other. This seemingly innocent advice was followed by the first sharp reaction: the administration of the Armenian president spread the statement, according to which Yerevan is ready to respond to any provocation. In turn, the foreign structure of Azerbaijan stated that Azerbaijan can and is eligible by international law to restore its territorial integrity.
Why the official Yerevan perceived the call for peace as a personal weakness is hard to say. In the end, its armament includes the Es 300-type missiles given to them by the Kremlin last year and that says a lot.
Another military expert from Azerbaijan, Uzeira Japarov, is certain that Russia has doubts about the increased activeness of the United States in the South Caucasus. The Kremlin has a big influence on the Armenian military forces and can provoke military incidents at any time. With the recent provocations, Armenia fulfilled the Russian order and tried to prove to the U.S. State Secretary the destructive role of Azerbaijan.
Unlike the official Yerevan, the Kremlin who is irritated by the Caucasian politics of the White House, has expressed its emotions prior to the visit of Hillary Clinton through General-Lieutenant Vladimer Shamanov. The Head of the Russian air-landing troops stated several weeks before the escalation of the situation that Russia is ready to deploy a large contingent of troops to Armenia.
The general explained that this step aims at increasing mobility of the Russian military bases in the Caucasus and also ensures successful completion of the goals of the Russian government. “One of the reasons, which dictate taking such a step is the international obligation based on participation in the collective security agreement organization,” Shamanov added.
Why does Russia need additional troops in Armenia where it already has a military base? One could think that by deploying the troops in Armenia Russia is demonstrating that it can use military force against the major ally of the United States in the region, Georgia.
No matter how logical such judgment looks, it is less likely that all this is done to “ruin the Saakashvili reforms”. Despite the danger of resuming military action in Karabakh, the main problem until now is not the tension between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but the probability of worsening relations between Azerbaijan and Iran. And quick rapprochement of Baku and Tel-Aviv contributes to this.
It can be said with full certainty that apart from the Caucasian peace initiatives, Clinton brought some messages to Baku with regards to the Iran crisis. It seems that the reason for the Kremlin’s irritation should be searched for in the Tehran problem and not in Tbilisi and Baku.
The sudden military storm should be discussed in this context as well. Thus, no one doubts that by spurring the civil war in Syria, Russia is facing two big dilemmas – which one to give up, Iran, Syria or both.
By Zaza Jgharkava
14.06.2012
georgiatoday.geComment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
You're absolutely right, but like you said, the same condition was not made for Greece when it bought Russian ordnance.Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
Besides, why is Russia selling its S-400s to Turkey, especially when the latter signed a military pact with Azerbaijan. I wouldn't say that the probability of war between the two regional powers is large, but it is definitely not small enough to make this kind of a sale. Russia selling S-300s to Azerbaijan is different because Putin knows that Azerbaijan can be taken over a weekend no matter what they have.
But Russia won't have anything better than S-400s for a long time. Why are they interested in this deal?
@Sarkis: Hopefully, Georgia makes the stupid decision to cut off the Russian military supply to 102nd Base. That may convince Russia that a border with Armenia needs to be made.Last edited by davidoga; 06-17-2012, 04:43 AM.Comment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Georgia has already cut any contact via land, sea and air, between Russia and its base 102.Originally posted by davidoga View Post
At least nothing has passed since 8.8.8.Comment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Wow. I was not aware that Georgia annuled the agreement in 2011.Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
Well actually that makes it even better for Armenia in case of hostilities. Russia will take over Georgia anyway
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