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  • #11
    Re: Utopia

    The City: Şehir
    The City of Constantine: Konstantin'in Şehri
    Constantinapolis: Konstantiniyye OR Konstantinapolis

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    • #12
      Re: Utopia

      Originally posted by Army View Post
      It'd be great if we could have an union.. with all people of this region living free and away from religious hate; with a friendship. I mean, you Turks and Armenians together; Greeks, Georgians of course and maybe even Bulgarians and Arabs.. hah.. It'd be a nice democracy; Istanbul as a capital, federated states as they were. We'd be so strong, so strong that we would not even be toys of Russians and Americans...

      It'd be great if Greeks were not removed from Anatolia and Turks were not removed from Greece.. If only Bulgarians did not massacre all those people.. And Armenians were still in Turkey; Karabagh conflict never happened.. well not much problem with Georgia, however I'd like to have a non-Soviet history in her history books. Arabs would never sided with Britishs..

      And I'd be living in South Georgia now, maybe I could go to a university at Tiflis, a simple life there under the skirts of Caucasus.

      If only... if only... all those things were away from us.. all of that hate within the people, bloody politicians, militaristic heads...

      I wonder if my grandsons and granddaughters could see an union such as that again.. Will they be able to see Greek shop-owners and Armenian restaurants next to Turkish markets again in Istanbul? Would a Muslim could be able to pray in Yerevan again and an Armenian could be raise wheat again in Van?

      Maybe not a state-union.. Maybe its too late for Greece and Bulgaria.. Thats really utopic; but they would be great..

      I've met with all people from this corner of the world. Georgians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Turks, Kurds, Armanians, Arabs, Lazs, Cherkezs, Abhazs... and many others; and I could simply say:

      We are so alike.

      ..a British or a French can not be that close to me. They are really "foreigners".
      It seems some one is missing so much Ottoman Empire...LOL

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      • #13
        Re: Utopia

        Someone is missing the peace. And if somes are missing an empire, its those who talk about an empire with a less-known history which were collapsed thousand years ago.

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        • #14
          Re: Utopia

          Its true that we are part of each others civilization, and that will not change.Peace amongst us will automatically reap great benefits to all of us, but not peace at any cost.
          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • #15
            Re: Utopia

            Originally posted by Army View Post
            Someone is missing the peace. And if somes are missing an empire, its those who talk about an empire with a less-known history which were collapsed thousand years ago.
            There cannot be peace until there are turks. Turks and peace are not compatible.

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            • #16
              Re: Utopia

              Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
              There cannot be peace until there are turks. Turks and peace are not compatible.
              It's the state that creates the Turks, otherwise they are just humans.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #17
                Re: Utopia

                Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                It's the state that creates the Turks, otherwise they are just humans.
                No Kanada, unfortunatly it is exactly the oposit: it is turks who created that state. It is the TURKISH state

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                • #18
                  Re: Utopia

                  Originally posted by Mukuch View Post
                  No Kanada, unfortunatly it is exactly the oposit: it is turks who created that state. It is the TURKISH state
                  Before they were Turks, they were mostly Mongloids. It started with some Turkic tribes and they infested all of Anatolia creating the land stealing, genocide denying, history twisting Utopia that is now called Turkey.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                  • #19
                    Re: Utopia

                    Originally posted by Gavur View Post
                    Its true that we are part of each others civilization, and that will not change.Peace amongst us will automatically reap great benefits to all of us, but not peace at any cost.
                    I did not say "peace at any cost".

                    Well, its also interesting to see that those people hate every single Turk. They do not even see them as "humans" so I think, what happened in Hojali was not an 'accident'. It very obvious that mind can easly go into bloody business.

                    To be honest, I see no difference between Turkish ultra-nationalists and Armenian ultra-nationalists.

                    Killing OR wanting to kill for revenge do not make it a 'better' massacre.

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                    • #20
                      Re: Utopia

                      Originally posted by Army View Post
                      I did not say "peace at any cost".

                      Well, its also interesting to see that those people hate every single Turk. They do not even see them as "humans" so I think, what happened in Hojali was not an 'accident'. It very obvious that mind can easly go into bloody business.

                      To be honest, I see no difference between Turkish ultra-nationalists and Armenian ultra-nationalists.

                      Killing OR wanting to kill for revenge do not make it a 'better' massacre.
                      i think you should look at this if you think khojaly happened.

                      The truth about Khojalu - Armenian Forum
                      http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=6743
                      Discuss politics relating to Armenia

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