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    The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus
    By David Boyajian • on September 28, 2009 •

    Russia will be well along the road to total defeat by the U.S. and NATO in the Caucasus and beyond if the recently proposed Armenian-Turkish protocols are ratified.

    Within two months after ratification, Turkey would be required to open its border with Armenia. Subsequently, or perhaps simultaneously, the Azerbaijani-Armenian border will open if, as appears increasingly possible, an Artsakh (Karabagh) peace agreement is signed.

    Regardless of whether the Azeri border opens, a fully open Turkish-Armenian border would inevitably result in the U.S. and NATO penetration and subjugation of Armenia.

    Let us look at U.S. and Russian policy in the Caucasus, both past and present.

    The West’s Goal: Domination

    For two decades, the West, as well as Israel, has dreamt of dominating the Caucasus, which is the gateway from Europe and Turkey into the oil and gas-rich Caspian Sea region. To do so required ripping the Caucasus’ three ex-Soviet countries—Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia—from the Russian bear’s claws.

    The U.S. and NATO have largely succeeded in doing so. The West has already built two major gas and oil pipelines—BTE and BTC—from Azerbaijan’s Caspian coast through Georgia and Turkey. The U.S. insists that all pipelines bypass Russia and Iran.

    Though Georgia and Azerbaijan are under continual Russian pressure, both are NATO candidates and have aligned themselves with the U.S.

    That leaves Armenia, perhaps Russia’s only real ally in the world, as the sole obstacle to total American domination of the western land route into the Caspian.

    By coaxing Turkey to open its border, Washington is now trying to lure Armenia away from Russia and into the infinitely richer and more modern, attractive, and democratic Western/NATO bloc.

    Wealthier, stronger, and about 30 times larger and more populous than its small, besieged eastern neighbor, Turkey has been picked for the lead role in the West’s seduction of Armenia.

    Armenia’s Importance to U.S. Strategy

    Until last year’s Georgian-Russian war, the U.S. had been silently pleased with Turkey’s blockade of Armenia. Washington hoped the blockade, imposed mostly due to the Artsakh war, would create economic pressure on Armenians to resolve that conflict.

    Note that only an Artsakh peace agreement could fully pry open the Azeri-Armenian-Turkish corridor that NATO and Washington craved. [See “Why Artsakh Matters to the West and Russia” by Boyajian on Armeniapedia.org.]

    But the war in Georgia cast doubt on that country’s ability to continue hosting western-bound pipelines. For the U.S., the only alternative to unstable Georgia is Armenia. This explains why Washington has been dramatically stepping up pressure and the protocols are part of that pressure—on Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan—to resolve their differences and thereby create a new American path into the Caspian.

    How does Russia feel about Armenia’s border issues?

    Russia’s Fatal Mistakes

    The Kremlin had long been silently pleased with the closed Turkish-Armenian border and the Artsakh stalemate. After all, these prevented the U.S. from penetrating Armenia and dominating all three Caucasus countries.

    Now, however, confidential and other sources indicate that Moscow favors both the Turkish-Armenian protocols and an Artsakh peace agreement.

    Russia reportedly hopes that trade across the Turkish-Armenian border would enable it to profit from its ownership of Armenian industry, particularly electricity production and transportation.

    However, given Armenia’s small economy and size, the extra revenue for Russia would not be considerable.

    The Kremlin is also reportedly worried that a new Russian-Georgian war would hurt Armenia’s economy since most Armenian imports/exports must now go through Georgia.

    Thus, Russia allegedly hopes that an open Turkish-Armenian border would give its Armenia ally an alternative import/export route in case of a war. Yet, given its alliance with Georgia, Turkey might well close its border with Armenia in such an eventuality. Conversely, were the Turkish-Armenia-Azeri corridor to remain open, this would partly defeat the very purpose of a Russian attack on Georgia.

    Moscow and Ankara have developed significant economic and political relations in recent years. And Russia supplies most of Turkey’s natural gas. Thus, the Kremlin apparently believes that it can dictate to Ankara. The Kremlin is wrong. Regardless of how friendly it becomes with Russia, Turkey will stay within NATO, its only protection against its historic, nuclear-armed Russian enemy.

    Moreover, Turkey and Georgia, which also depends on Russian gas, will eventually develop alternative energy sources and no longer be vulnerable to Russia pressure. In the meantime, Russia will lose Armenia to the West.

    Russia is also trying to buy up future production from Azerbaijan’s oil and gas fields in hopes that, in so doing, the West will lose interest in Azerbaijan. In return, Russia is apparently pressuring Armenia to, in effect, hand Artsakh to Azerbaijan.

    This is a grave error. Historically, Azeris have betrayed Russia, as happened in World War I when they sided with Turkey, and will do so again. In the meantime, Armenian anger at Russia for selling out Artsakh, combined with the lure of Western wealth, will permanently drive Armenia away from Russia. Only a true Russian alliance with, not economic and military bullying of, Armenia will keep Armenia as a friend. Armenia’s fear of Turkey is not enough.

    Russian Policy Blunders

    Russia has a long history of disastrous policies. In the space of 75 years, Russia lost two empires—Czarist and Soviet—and the Cold War. Russia allowed false prophets—the Bolsheviks—to impose on it the inefficient and inhumane political and economic system of Communism. Russians let a deranged Georgian, Josef Stalin, maim and murder countless millions of them. Even today, most of Russia’s wealth comes not from human productivity but courtesy of Mother Nature: oil and gas.

    Recent Kremlin policy has been deeply influenced by Aleksandr Dugin, an extreme nationalist ideologue. His political philosophy, neo-Eurasianism, advocates a Russian-led alliance of Asian and Slavic countries. Like most Russian analysts, Dugin saw Armenia as a barrier against Turkey, Russia’s historic enemy. Dugin then changed his mind. He now thinks that Turkey is a Russian ally. This is a clear sign of neo-Eurasianism’s immaturity.

    The Kremlin—this time with Medvedev and Putin at the helm—is once again listening to false prophets. Turkey’s arm can indeed be twisted, but not broken, by Russia. Moreover, Turkey is tougher than Russia. During the Cold War, genocidal Turkey would have annihilated Russia had it, rather than the Soviets, possessed nuclear weapons.

    While Turks make Russians think they’ve become friends, Russians foolishly throw their only ally, Armenia, to the Turkish wolf. Russia will lose Armenia but will not win Turkey over. Pan-Turkism will continue, pushed by the West for its own purposes.

    Moreover, as I noted two years ago, once NATO enters the Caucasus, it “could then jump across the Caspian Sea and march straight into Muslim Central Asia, posing a possibly mortal threat to Russia.”

    Reject the Dangerous Protocols

    Armenians must openly reject the protocols. Besides abrogating long-standing Armenian rights vis-à-vis its genocidal neighbor, they are a formula for Turkish hegemony over Armenia.

    If the Turkish-Armenian border is to open, it must be in a way that does not permit Turks to infiltrate, buy up, Ottomanize, and eventually control Armenia.

    Armenians must now publicly and bluntly emphasize to their Russian ally that the protocols will result in Russia’s being surrounded by NATO and ultimately, along with Armenia, destroyed.

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    Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

    That article pretty much sums up my point of view on this whole charade.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

      The Gumri Russian base is being resupplied through Turkey.

      That just about tell it all. Its a farce .
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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      • #4
        Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

        This article is much to simplistic to work in politics, don't see the Russian being that stupid as they are portraying it to be. And the article forgets one thing the US doesn't have any powers in the Caucasus look at the 2008 war to see that.

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          Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

          Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
          That article pretty much sums up my point of view on this whole charade.
          What does not add up in this article is the fact that last year when NATO pushed to far in Georgia by attacking Russian Peace Keepers in South Ossetia it resulted what we witnessed in privatization aka annexation of the autonomous republic. To write Russia off is a big mistake however I think that in today's Russia and in Soviet Russia it's the "chosen people" who are in control and not true patriotic Russians.
          What I think is that we are witnessing encirclement of Russia by NATO for direct military confrontation with her or it is just a process of creation of the one world government widely known as New World Order.
          I
          Last edited by Illuminati; 10-07-2009, 12:06 PM.

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          • #6
            Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

            Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
            This article is much to simplistic to work in politics, don't see the Russian being that stupid as they are portraying it to be. And the article forgets one thing the US doesn't have any powers in the Caucasus look at the 2008 war to see that.
            Saakishvilli fumbled the ball... he fell for the Russian bait. U.S./Israel didn't think the puppet would actually try to think for himself.
            "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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            • #7
              Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

              I read this article but it is full of mistakes, i think my explanation is way more accurate then this thing.
              Hayastan or Bust.

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              • #8
                Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

                Here check this out...


                Russian-European-Turkish energy consensus & Armenia

                In the context of the recently published Armenian-Turkish agreements, which, if ratified by the two Parliaments, will inaugurate the bilateral relations, the press provided extensive coverage of Armenia’s possible involvement in the Nabucco project. Let us not make guesses about whether it is a PR action designed to shape a positive public opinion in Armenia on the threshold of an important historical process or a realistic outlook. We will only try to outline the regional and geopolitical importance of the project for Armenia and Armenia’s importance for the project.
                It may seem paradoxical, but the many years of blockade of Armenia by Azerbaijan and Turkey allowed the country to form a rather balanced energy system, which, perhaps, is much more efficient and better integrated than its Georgian and Azerbaijani counterparts. We can speak of Georgia’s unstable and rather vulnerable system, which is almost fully dependent on import, whereas its Armenian counterpart is an export-oriented one, which has alternative routes and a gas storage system, a system of hydro-and heat-power plants being modernized, projects of constructing an Iran-Armenia pipeline, and, to crown it all, the planned construction of a new nuclear-power plant. It would be at least illogical to speak of a blockade with Armenia having such an infrastructure.
                The considerable assistance on the part of the Russian state-run holdings – Gasprom, Inter-RAO and Rosatom – contributes to the stability of Armenia’s energy system as well. Let us not guess at whether it is good or bad. We are only stating the fact of the system’s uninterrupted operation, as well as of long-term investment plans. Moreover, the three companies’ interests and projects are interrelated and are aimed at expanding the Armenian energy business to the neighboring countries. This accounts for the plans to “synchronize” the countries’ energy systems, with Armenia to become “the central point.”
                Armenia’s involvement in the Nabucco project implies that of Russia and Iran, as well as the laying of an Armenia-Turkey gas main or the connection of the Iran-Armenia gas main to the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzrum gas main, which supplies gas from the Shah Deniz gas field.
                It is obvious that the project will be a success only if Iran and Russia are involved. That became clear the very moment Russia initiated the South Stream project, which actually put an end to the planned construction of a Transcaspian gas pipeline. Under the South Stream project Russia launched an initiative of a Caspian-bordering gas pipeline thereby crabbing Azerbaijan’s game. The vigorous actions of Russia and China in Central Asia made the Nabucco clients put up with the idea of involving Iran in the project and that of prospective supply of Turkmen gas to the South Caucasus, with the gas main to bypass the Caspian Sea in the south. That is it will run through Iran. Thus, the Armenian and Iranian territories will be used for the Central Asian gas to reach the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzrum gas main, as Azerbaijan will not be able to operate it at its full capacity in the near future. An optimal solution – an Armenia-Turkey gas main – is not ruled out as well. An argument in favor of this is, particularly, Gazprom President Alexey Miller’s statement that the Armenian territory could be used for Iranian-Turkish “swaps.”
                Speaking of the “swaps”, Miller may have implied the “gas for energy” scheme as well. The commissioning of the 5th power unit of the Hrazdan heat power plant, which is the terminal point of the Iran-Armenia gas main, will launch a unique technological scheme, Iranian gas for Armenian electric energy. Chinese specialists are now constructing the 5th power unit ordered by the ArmRosgazprom Company (Gazprom 80%, RA Government 20%). Iran and Armenia are also implementing a high-voltage power line construction program. Settling its problems with Turkey, will enable Armenia to enter the energy markets of Turkey and Nakhichevan, which will meet Azerbaijan’s own interests.
                The implementation of the Nabucco project with Armenia’s participation will mean a Russian-European energy consensus with Turkey’s participation.
                An argument in favor of the last option is official Ankara’s completely unexpected consent to the South Stream gas pipeline – a supposed rival to Nabucco — running through Turkey’s territorial waters. However, the distribution of resources between the two projects and the refusal to lay a pipeline through the Caspian bottom resolved the most serious political disagreements between the interested parties.
                Fears about future Russian-Ukrainian relations contributed to the Russian-European consensus on the Nabucco and South Stream projects. We should remember that Europe felt “all the pleasures” of cold winter without gas last year.
                NEWS.am Analytical Department

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                • #9
                  Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

                  Originally posted by Illuminati View Post
                  Here check this out...


                  Russian-European-Turkish energy consensus & Armenia

                  In the context of the recently published Armenian-Turkish agreements, which, if ratified by the two Parliaments, will inaugurate the bilateral relations, the press provided extensive coverage of Armenia’s possible involvement in the Nabucco project. Let us not make guesses about whether it is a PR action designed to shape a positive public opinion in Armenia on the threshold of an important historical process or a realistic outlook. We will only try to outline the regional and geopolitical importance of the project for Armenia and Armenia’s importance for the project.
                  It may seem paradoxical, but the many years of blockade of Armenia by Azerbaijan and Turkey allowed the country to form a rather balanced energy system, which, perhaps, is much more efficient and better integrated than its Georgian and Azerbaijani counterparts. We can speak of Georgia’s unstable and rather vulnerable system, which is almost fully dependent on import, whereas its Armenian counterpart is an export-oriented one, which has alternative routes and a gas storage system, a system of hydro-and heat-power plants being modernized, projects of constructing an Iran-Armenia pipeline, and, to crown it all, the planned construction of a new nuclear-power plant. It would be at least illogical to speak of a blockade with Armenia having such an infrastructure.
                  The considerable assistance on the part of the Russian state-run holdings – Gasprom, Inter-RAO and Rosatom – contributes to the stability of Armenia’s energy system as well. Let us not guess at whether it is good or bad. We are only stating the fact of the system’s uninterrupted operation, as well as of long-term investment plans. Moreover, the three companies’ interests and projects are interrelated and are aimed at expanding the Armenian energy business to the neighboring countries. This accounts for the plans to “synchronize” the countries’ energy systems, with Armenia to become “the central point.”
                  Armenia’s involvement in the Nabucco project implies that of Russia and Iran, as well as the laying of an Armenia-Turkey gas main or the connection of the Iran-Armenia gas main to the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzrum gas main, which supplies gas from the Shah Deniz gas field.
                  It is obvious that the project will be a success only if Iran and Russia are involved. That became clear the very moment Russia initiated the South Stream project, which actually put an end to the planned construction of a Transcaspian gas pipeline. Under the South Stream project Russia launched an initiative of a Caspian-bordering gas pipeline thereby crabbing Azerbaijan’s game. The vigorous actions of Russia and China in Central Asia made the Nabucco clients put up with the idea of involving Iran in the project and that of prospective supply of Turkmen gas to the South Caucasus, with the gas main to bypass the Caspian Sea in the south. That is it will run through Iran. Thus, the Armenian and Iranian territories will be used for the Central Asian gas to reach the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzrum gas main, as Azerbaijan will not be able to operate it at its full capacity in the near future. An optimal solution – an Armenia-Turkey gas main – is not ruled out as well. An argument in favor of this is, particularly, Gazprom President Alexey Miller’s statement that the Armenian territory could be used for Iranian-Turkish “swaps.”
                  Speaking of the “swaps”, Miller may have implied the “gas for energy” scheme as well. The commissioning of the 5th power unit of the Hrazdan heat power plant, which is the terminal point of the Iran-Armenia gas main, will launch a unique technological scheme, Iranian gas for Armenian electric energy. Chinese specialists are now constructing the 5th power unit ordered by the ArmRosgazprom Company (Gazprom 80%, RA Government 20%). Iran and Armenia are also implementing a high-voltage power line construction program. Settling its problems with Turkey, will enable Armenia to enter the energy markets of Turkey and Nakhichevan, which will meet Azerbaijan’s own interests.
                  The implementation of the Nabucco project with Armenia’s participation will mean a Russian-European energy consensus with Turkey’s participation.
                  An argument in favor of the last option is official Ankara’s completely unexpected consent to the South Stream gas pipeline – a supposed rival to Nabucco — running through Turkey’s territorial waters. However, the distribution of resources between the two projects and the refusal to lay a pipeline through the Caspian bottom resolved the most serious political disagreements between the interested parties.
                  Fears about future Russian-Ukrainian relations contributed to the Russian-European consensus on the Nabucco and South Stream projects. We should remember that Europe felt “all the pleasures” of cold winter without gas last year.
                  NEWS.am Analytical Department

                  This one makes more sence.
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus

                    Originally posted by Illuminati View Post
                    The Coming Russian Defeat in the Caucasus
                    By David Boyajian • on September 28, 2009 •

                    Russia will be well along the road to total defeat by the U.S. and NATO in the Caucasus and beyond if the recently proposed Armenian-Turkish protocols are ratified.

                    Within two months after ratification, Turkey would be required to open its border with Armenia. Subsequently, or perhaps simultaneously, the Azerbaijani-Armenian border will open if, as appears increasingly possible, an Artsakh (Karabagh) peace agreement is signed.

                    Regardless of whether the Azeri border opens, a fully open Turkish-Armenian border would inevitably result in the U.S. and NATO penetration and subjugation of Armenia.

                    Let us look at U.S. and Russian policy in the Caucasus, both past and present.

                    The West’s Goal: Domination

                    For two decades, the West, as well as Israel, has dreamt of dominating the Caucasus, which is the gateway from Europe and Turkey into the oil and gas-rich Caspian Sea region. To do so required ripping the Caucasus’ three ex-Soviet countries—Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia—from the Russian bear’s claws.

                    The U.S. and NATO have largely succeeded in doing so. The West has already built two major gas and oil pipelines—BTE and BTC—from Azerbaijan’s Caspian coast through Georgia and Turkey. The U.S. insists that all pipelines bypass Russia and Iran.

                    Though Georgia and Azerbaijan are under continual Russian pressure, both are NATO candidates and have aligned themselves with the U.S.

                    That leaves Armenia, perhaps Russia’s only real ally in the world, as the sole obstacle to total American domination of the western land route into the Caspian.

                    By coaxing Turkey to open its border, Washington is now trying to lure Armenia away from Russia and into the infinitely richer and more modern, attractive, and democratic Western/NATO bloc.

                    Wealthier, stronger, and about 30 times larger and more populous than its small, besieged eastern neighbor, Turkey has been picked for the lead role in the West’s seduction of Armenia.

                    Armenia’s Importance to U.S. Strategy

                    Until last year’s Georgian-Russian war, the U.S. had been silently pleased with Turkey’s blockade of Armenia. Washington hoped the blockade, imposed mostly due to the Artsakh war, would create economic pressure on Armenians to resolve that conflict.

                    Note that only an Artsakh peace agreement could fully pry open the Azeri-Armenian-Turkish corridor that NATO and Washington craved. [See “Why Artsakh Matters to the West and Russia” by Boyajian on Armeniapedia.org.]

                    But the war in Georgia cast doubt on that country’s ability to continue hosting western-bound pipelines. For the U.S., the only alternative to unstable Georgia is Armenia. This explains why Washington has been dramatically stepping up pressure and the protocols are part of that pressure—on Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan—to resolve their differences and thereby create a new American path into the Caspian.

                    How does Russia feel about Armenia’s border issues?

                    Russia’s Fatal Mistakes

                    The Kremlin had long been silently pleased with the closed Turkish-Armenian border and the Artsakh stalemate. After all, these prevented the U.S. from penetrating Armenia and dominating all three Caucasus countries.

                    Now, however, confidential and other sources indicate that Moscow favors both the Turkish-Armenian protocols and an Artsakh peace agreement.

                    Russia reportedly hopes that trade across the Turkish-Armenian border would enable it to profit from its ownership of Armenian industry, particularly electricity production and transportation.

                    However, given Armenia’s small economy and size, the extra revenue for Russia would not be considerable.

                    The Kremlin is also reportedly worried that a new Russian-Georgian war would hurt Armenia’s economy since most Armenian imports/exports must now go through Georgia.

                    Thus, Russia allegedly hopes that an open Turkish-Armenian border would give its Armenia ally an alternative import/export route in case of a war. Yet, given its alliance with Georgia, Turkey might well close its border with Armenia in such an eventuality. Conversely, were the Turkish-Armenia-Azeri corridor to remain open, this would partly defeat the very purpose of a Russian attack on Georgia.

                    Moscow and Ankara have developed significant economic and political relations in recent years. And Russia supplies most of Turkey’s natural gas. Thus, the Kremlin apparently believes that it can dictate to Ankara. The Kremlin is wrong. Regardless of how friendly it becomes with Russia, Turkey will stay within NATO, its only protection against its historic, nuclear-armed Russian enemy.

                    Moreover, Turkey and Georgia, which also depends on Russian gas, will eventually develop alternative energy sources and no longer be vulnerable to Russia pressure. In the meantime, Russia will lose Armenia to the West.

                    Russia is also trying to buy up future production from Azerbaijan’s oil and gas fields in hopes that, in so doing, the West will lose interest in Azerbaijan. In return, Russia is apparently pressuring Armenia to, in effect, hand Artsakh to Azerbaijan.

                    This is a grave error. Historically, Azeris have betrayed Russia, as happened in World War I when they sided with Turkey, and will do so again. In the meantime, Armenian anger at Russia for selling out Artsakh, combined with the lure of Western wealth, will permanently drive Armenia away from Russia. Only a true Russian alliance with, not economic and military bullying of, Armenia will keep Armenia as a friend. Armenia’s fear of Turkey is not enough.

                    Russian Policy Blunders

                    Russia has a long history of disastrous policies. In the space of 75 years, Russia lost two empires—Czarist and Soviet—and the Cold War. Russia allowed false prophets—the Bolsheviks—to impose on it the inefficient and inhumane political and economic system of Communism. Russians let a deranged Georgian, Josef Stalin, maim and murder countless millions of them. Even today, most of Russia’s wealth comes not from human productivity but courtesy of Mother Nature: oil and gas.

                    Recent Kremlin policy has been deeply influenced by Aleksandr Dugin, an extreme nationalist ideologue. His political philosophy, neo-Eurasianism, advocates a Russian-led alliance of Asian and Slavic countries. Like most Russian analysts, Dugin saw Armenia as a barrier against Turkey, Russia’s historic enemy. Dugin then changed his mind. He now thinks that Turkey is a Russian ally. This is a clear sign of neo-Eurasianism’s immaturity.

                    The Kremlin—this time with Medvedev and Putin at the helm—is once again listening to false prophets. Turkey’s arm can indeed be twisted, but not broken, by Russia. Moreover, Turkey is tougher than Russia. During the Cold War, genocidal Turkey would have annihilated Russia had it, rather than the Soviets, possessed nuclear weapons.

                    While Turks make Russians think they’ve become friends, Russians foolishly throw their only ally, Armenia, to the Turkish wolf. Russia will lose Armenia but will not win Turkey over. Pan-Turkism will continue, pushed by the West for its own purposes.

                    Moreover, as I noted two years ago, once NATO enters the Caucasus, it “could then jump across the Caspian Sea and march straight into Muslim Central Asia, posing a possibly mortal threat to Russia.”

                    Reject the Dangerous Protocols

                    Armenians must openly reject the protocols. Besides abrogating long-standing Armenian rights vis-à-vis its genocidal neighbor, they are a formula for Turkish hegemony over Armenia.

                    If the Turkish-Armenian border is to open, it must be in a way that does not permit Turks to infiltrate, buy up, Ottomanize, and eventually control Armenia.

                    Armenians must now publicly and bluntly emphasize to their Russian ally that the protocols will result in Russia’s being surrounded by NATO and ultimately, along with Armenia, destroyed.
                    Simplistic or not we will see. This pretty much represents my views.
                    Last edited by Anoush; 10-07-2009, 02:26 PM.

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