Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Thanks Joseph jan, I will do as you suggested. To a degree it bears similarities to the Armenian Genocide; by that I mean, the Turkish gendarmes were given the orders to kill every Armenian on site, but the Kurds helped the gendarmes and plus they looted and stole as well as killed at the time of the AG in 1915.

It does not bear "similarities to the Armenian Genocide", it was part of the Armenian Genocide. However, it does not fit into the simpistic propaganda produced by so many Armenian sources (the same sources that seek to downplay the massacres and deportations that took place in western Turkey - i.e. outside the territory of "historic Armenia"). And these events completely run contrary to the Turkish propaganda with its lies about the Ottoman Empire acting defensively and being a victim. From the outset the Ottoman Empire acted aggressively and was expansionist, immediately invading the territory of its neighbours (Russia and Persia) and committing attrocities there. And, if you were to believe today's Kurdish propaganda and that produced by their European advocates, the cuddly Kurds wouldn't hurt a fly.

[Anoush]

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Also, northern Iran/Persia is where Assyrians were masscred in the 100's of thousands.

During and as you say also before the 1915 massacres, 800 thousand Christian Assyrians were also massacred along with more than 1.5 Million Armenians. Let's not forget this.

[Anoush]

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You can do a cursory search on Google. I have also read some Kurdish history related to his activities. His irregular units were responsible for extensive massacres of Armenians and Assyrians and he would later fight against Persia. He was a Kurdish nationalist.

Thanks Joseph jan, I will do as you suggested. To a degree it bears similarities to the Armenian Genocide; by that I mean, the Turkish gendarmes were given the orders to kill every Armenian on site, but the Kurds helped the gendarmes and plus they looted and stole as well as killed at the time of the AG in 1915.

[Joseph]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Also, northern Iran/Persia is where Assyrians were masscred in the 100's of thousands.

[Army]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Iran is a fake name, given after the revolution.

What were they (Turks) before the naming? "Turkish speaking Persians?"

Guys, that is not nationalism. You might hate Turks a lot, but facts are facts. Differences between those guys and Turkey Turks are not much bigger than the differences between post-Soviet Armenia and Diaspora.

[Joseph]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Well thank you Joseph for the information and Bell who brought it up in the first place.

Joseph jan, where can I find the Kurdish "Simko" literature from?

You can do a cursory search on Google. I have also read some Kurdish history related to his activities. His irregular units were responsible for extensive massacres of Armenians and Assyrians and he would later fight against Persia. He was a Kurdish nationalist.

[Anoush]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Well thank you Joseph for the information and Bell who brought it up in the first place.

Joseph jan, where can I find the Kurdish "Simko" literature from? Or perhaps General Antranik's book which I haven't read it yet and I must.

[Joseph]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Bell is 100% correct. At the start of WWI, the area of NW Iran was a majority Tatar/Azari population by not to the extent it is now. Kurds, Assyrians, Yezdi, and Armenians were much more numerous. The Armenians and Assyrians were concentrated particularly around Khoy.

In the early stages of the war, December 1914, Ottoman forces invaded northern Iran to forment a a Turkish/Tatar/Kurdish uprising against Persia which would also thwart Russian and British war efforts and also, if successful, assit in the invasion and takeover of the Baku oil fields. The British Indian Army had divisons stationed in Iran and were engaged by these forces as were the Russians.

The combined Turk/Kurd/Tatar forces massacred wholesale the Armenian, Yezdi, and Assyrians populations.

I encourage all the readers to read about the Kurd "Simko"

Additionally, General Andranik fought extensively in the area alongside Russian forces an eventually neutralized the Turkish/ Tatar/Kurdish force, although it was a pyrhic victory, as the Armenian, Assyrians, and Yezdi were either killed, taken by the Kurds, or forced into what is not Armenia. Some ended up in Nakhichevan and were again to be uprooted.

[Joseph]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Bell is 100% correct. At the start of WWI, the area of NW Iran was a majority Tatar/Azari population by not to the extent it is now. Kurds, Assyrians, Yezdi, and Armenians were much more numerous. The Armenians and Assyrians were concentrated particularly around Khoy.

In the early stages of the war, December 1914, Ottoman forces invaded northern Iran to forment a a Turkish/Tatar/Kurdish uprising against Persia which would also thwart Russian and British war efforts and also, if successful, assit in the invasion and takeover of the Baku oil fields. The British Indian Army had divisons stationed in Iran and were engaged by these forces as were the Russians.

The combined Turk/Kurd/Tatar forces massacred wholesale the Armenian, Yezdi, and Assyrians populations.

I encourage all the readers to read about the Kurd "Simko"

[Anoush]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

The reality is that the genocide of Armenian Christians actually began in 1914, inside Persian territory, territory that had been captured by Turkish forces and Kurdish irregulars. But that disagrees with the over-simplistic and often propagandistic official histories. In this case I mean both Armenian, Turkish, Kurdish, Russian, and Iranian histories. Most of the killing took place in and around Urmia. I don't know about Tabriz, hence my question "What happened here during 1914?".

Are you sure about this? If yes, then can you substantiate it with some valid proofs? Or perhaps some literature or books you recommend. You are not saying that the Iranian government did it but the turkish forces and kurdish irregulars were the ones.