Baron Dants's anti-corruption plan!

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Shahumyan genius...

That is one of those meaningful arguments you are always asking for right? I understand now. Single words with no explanatory weight at all.

[Shahumyan]

no, i was taking the piss out of how poor your "argument" is. Its called sarcasm.

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Shahumyan no, i was taking the piss out of how poor your "argument" is. Its called sarcasm.

Actually you evaded my arguement entirely and instead are blaming me for not seeing any sense in writing a dissertation on the human psyche. Stop being such a pubic hair.

[Shahumyan]

this goes back to "It is based on human nature. It is human nature to strive for more than you have. Someone will always want more power. That is just how it is."

i was saying how u made a bullxxxx statement, with no explaination, how can one expect to get a reply from something which has no explaination?

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Shahumyan this goes back to "It is based on human nature. It is human nature to strive for more than you have. Someone will always want more power. That is just how it is."

i was saying how u made a bullxxxx statement, with no explaination, how can one expect to get a reply from something which has no explaination?

That is an explanation, you dense xxxx. It is not bullxxxx. You can respond to whether or not you agree that inevitable corruption is a matter of human nature. As I said, any further explanation would have been a dissertation on the human psyche. You are trying to justify being an arrogant, hypocritical moron.

[Shahumyan]

getseh erekha jan. If your explaination is "That is just how it is" then ok, i leave you to it mate, im not gonna bother.

[Arvestaked]

G neres, pays toon eendzee yerekha mi gancher. Toon yerekhayi bes g mudazdes, eshoo gdor.

You are completely ignoring what I am telling you and are making the same arguement over and over again after I have addressed it.

[SexyAries]

Great idea! But do you think that the Armenian governemnt will acutally go for it, and even if they go for it you think they will follow up and actually go about the process????

[TruthSeeker]

Baron, the idea you present is utopian, as stated. It assumes that your organization's own employees will act good for the sake of acting good. But that is not how human beings do things. There needs to be a balance of positive and negative reinforcement in order to control (as much as possible) man's natural will to power (among other things). Let me elaborate.

Let's for a moment assume you have reached the point where your organization has a determining say on the Armenian govt. Tell me, what would prevent your organization from abusing this saying power? It would very much resemble how campaign contributions by big corporations in the US lead to corruption. But in Armenia it would be worse, since the interest-parties are so concentrated (that is, there is a lack of separation of power). At least in the US, if a corruption case gets revealed, you can be sure that (at least some) justice, according to the law, will be served. Thus, negative reinforcement.

Let's face it, the United States has invented the best governing structure. Absolutely the best. The number one reason why the US is the superpower it is today is its ingenious govt. It is strange how ignorant many ex-socialist/communist countries are, and haven't realized this fact. Have Armenia adopt a US-like gotv. system, release all govt. control over mass media, untie culture from govt. (starting with religion), and you will see the country prosper. Of course, power-hungry "activists" and "leaders" pretending to be interested in the country's good will avoid this model, as it wouldn't afford them as much power to achieve their own private goals.

On the other hand, it would rock to lead and own such an organization. The power it would have can be even greater than that of any govt. official.

Ok, that's it for my first post on these forums...

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker Baron, the idea you present is utopian, as stated. It assumes that your organization's own employees will act good for the sake of acting good. But that is not how human beings do things. There needs to be a balance of positive and negative reinforcement in order to control (as much as possible) man's natural will to power (among other things). Let me elaborate.

Let's for a moment assume you have reached the point where your organization has a determining say on the Armenian govt. Tell me, what would prevent your organization from abusing this saying power? It would very much resemble how campaign contributions by big corporations in the US lead to corruption. But in Armenia it would be worse, since the interest-parties are so concentrated (that is, there is a lack of separation of power). At least in the US, if a corruption case gets revealed, you can be sure that (at least some) justice, according to the law, will be served. Thus, negative reinforcement.

Let's face it, the United States has invented the best governing structure. Absolutely the best. The number one reason why the US is the superpower it is today is its ingenious govt. It is strange how ignorant many ex-socialist/communist countries are, and haven't realized this fact. Have Armenia adopt a US-like gotv. system, release all govt. control over mass media, untie culture from govt. (starting with religion), and you will see the country prosper. Of course, power-hungry "activists" and "leaders" pretending to be interested in the country's good will avoid this model, as it wouldn't afford them as much power to achieve their own private goals.

On the other hand, it would rock to lead and own such an organization. The power it would have can be even greater than that of any govt. official.

Ok, that's it for my first post on these forums...

Well, quite a way to start your stay here. Welcome to the board!

I'm not convinced that the US system would work in Armenia as most of the time would be spent in gridlocks and endless filibustering. Armenia is not a case where two branches of the same party propose laws that the other one would probably pass anyways.

This organization wouldn't be there to get a hold on power. It would simply be a way to keep the government in check.

And it won't be corrupt simply because we will have the right people in charge. Yes, that would be me.