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  • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

    Russia can’t digest Ukraine’s association with EU and as a “retribution” Putin forced the weak leader of Armenia to join the corrupt Russian “Union”, after threatening us with his visit to Azerbaijan and the new weapon sales contracts. Although Armenia's joining the " economic Union of the corrupt countries" is not important for Russia, because of our economy small size and lack of mutual borders . The Russian game; “fight” for its superpower position is lost. Now Russia has no influence on Ukraine and as an object of revenge selected Armenia. This indicates that Russia has no vision for its future politics and just drifts in the ocean of international affairs.

    And eventually loosing its last ally-Syria will make their situation just disastrous. Note please that in recent decade countries that the “Superpower” wins/fights with are Georgia and Armenia and the third one, it collaborates with, is Azerbaijan. And all the listed above MAJOR countries recognize Russia a superpower, except Azerbaijan; they are partners. The other partner is Turkey; Syria’s most vicious enemy; for Russia the proverb - “my ally’s enemy; is my enemy" doesn’t work, therefore no country in the world can rely on nowadays Russia word of honor, Russia lost its credibility for centuries.

    After Ukraine’s actual association with EU Russia’s weak economic position will become disastrous and during one or two years the only thing that will remind its superpower position would be the nuclear weapons that are useless nowadays. It can't afford for future development of its other; USSR heritage arms, note please that Armenians contributed in it a lot, now they have no means to develop/modernize new arms.

    At that point even small Armenia’s support of Russia in international affairs will be very useful for Russia/Putin. And they would become very polite at dealing with Armenia.

    In fact this violent act of “international terrorism” will be remembered by Armenian patriots for a long time and it puts additional separation lines between our nations that will have long term negative effect on Russian-Armenian relations.

    This is the beginning of the end of Russian overwhelming influence on Armenia.

    I think EU deeply understands our situation and they will allow us making next smaller steps of Armenia’s Association with EU, despite of Russian obstacles. EU may even offer confidential security guarantees against Turkey and Russia to insure footstep in Caucasus, that after "resolution" of the Syrian conflict may become very important and the only monoethnic-reliable spot for spreading the Christian Club and USA influence in the region, almost as important, as Israel is for USA in that area.

    USA appreciates Israel’s role played in the area with comprehensive security guarantees and economic incentives, but Russia doesn’t recognize/understand that the same role Armenia plays for it; bear doesn’t have enough brain to assess Armenia’s contribution in its geopolitical standing. Therefore it’s high time gradually changing our political orientation (in a secure, confidential manner) and playing the difficult role for the reliable and trustworthy ally/s. I think soon, after Syria's breakdown ... alas, we'll get that offer from EU/USA.
    Last edited by gegev; 09-04-2013, 03:25 AM.

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    • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

      Originally posted by gegev View Post
      Russia can’t digest Ukraine’s association with EU and as a “retribution” Putin forced the weak leader of Armenia to join the corrupt Russian “Union”, after threatening us with his visit to Azerbaijan and the new weapon sales contracts. Although Armenia's joining the " economic Union of the corrupt countries" is not important for Russia, because of our economy small size and lack of mutual borders . The Russian game; “fight” for its superpower position is lost. Now Russia has no influence on Ukraine and as an object of revenge selected Armenia. This indicates that Russia has no vision for its future politics and just drifts in the ocean of international affairs. And eventually loosing its last ally-Syria will just make their situation just disastrous.

      After Ukraine’s actual association with EU Russia’s weak economic position will become disastrous and during one or two years the only thing that will remind its superpower position would be the nuclear weapons that are useless nowadays. It can't afford for future development of its other; USSR heritage arms, note please that Armenians contributed in it a lot, now they have no means to develop/modernize new arms.

      At that point even small Armenia’s support of Russia in international affairs will be very useful for Russia/Putin. And they would become very polite at dealing with Armenia.

      In fact this violent act of “international terrorism” will be remembered by Armenian patriots for a long time and it puts additional separation lines between our nations that will have long term negative effect on Russian-Armenian relations.

      This is the beginning of the end of Russian overwhelming influence on Armenia.

      I think EU deeply understands our situation and they will allow us making next smaller steps of Armenia’s Association with EU, despite of Russian obstacles.
      I think you make some very excellent points. I am no fan of Russia, and by no means believe Armenia should follow anything Russia does as an example. As far as I care, Russia, the EU, and everyone else other than our small republic can go to hell. However, given our current situation, we have to do what we must to survive. We don't have to like Russia, to realize we need her to survive. And unfortunately, Russia gets to toy with us, and we have to say yes, unless someone knows some other way of turning $400 million into $4 billion, or can think of some other patron state that is willing to arm us, and prevent war and annihilation. Now 5-10 years down the line, if Russia is failing, and if we are strong enough to stand on our own, and don't face an existential threat from the baboon state, we can reevaluate our situation, and do what's best then, but right now, this is the necessary route.
      Last edited by Mher; 09-03-2013, 11:05 PM.

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      • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

        Originally posted by Mher View Post
        As far as I care, Russia, the EU, and everyone else other than our small republic can go to hell.
        Who would want to cooperate with a small republic that is represented by such ethnocentric and stubbornly insular individuals, anyway?

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        • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

          Originally posted by TomServo View Post
          Who would want to cooperate with a small republic that is represented by such ethnocentric and stubbornly insular individuals, anyway?
          EU may even offer Armenia confidential (for a time being) security guarantees against Russia and Turkey to insure its footstep in Caucasus, that after "resolution" of the Syrian conflict may become very important and the only monoethnic-reliable spot for spreading the Christian Club and USA influence in the region, almost as important, as Israel is for USA in its area.

          USA appreciates Israel’s role played in the area with comprehensive security guarantees and economic incentives, but Russia doesn’t recognize/understand that the same role Armenia plays for it; bear doesn’t have enough brains to assess Armenia’s contribution in its geopolitical standing. Therefore it’s high time gradually changing our political orientation (in a secure, confidential manner) and playing the difficult role for the reliable and trustworthy ally/s. I think soon, after Syria's breakdown ... alas, we'll get that offer from EU/USA.

          Please read the post below;

          Originally posted by gegev View Post
          Russia can’t digest Ukraine’s association with EU and as a “retribution” Putin forced the weak leader of Armenia to join the corrupt Russian “Union”, after threatening us with his visit to Azerbaijan and the new weapon sales contracts. Although Armenia's joining the " economic Union of the corrupt countries" is not important for Russia, because of our economy small size and lack of mutual borders . The Russian game; “fight” for its superpower position is lost. Now Russia has no influence on Ukraine and as an object of revenge selected Armenia. This indicates that Russia has no vision for its future politics and just drifts in the ocean of international affairs.

          And eventually loosing its last ally-Syria will make their situation just disastrous. Note please that in recent decade countries that the “Superpower” wins/fights with are Georgia and Armenia and the third one, it collaborates with, is Azerbaijan. And all the listed above MAJOR countries recognize Russia a superpower, except Azerbaijan; they are partners. The other partner is Turkey; Syria’s most vicious enemy; for Russia the proverb - “my ally’s enemy; is my enemy" doesn’t work, therefore no country in the world can rely on nowadays Russia word of honor, Russia lost its credibility for centuries.

          After Ukraine’s actual association with EU Russia’s weak economic position will become disastrous and during one or two years the only thing that will remind its superpower position would be the nuclear weapons that are useless nowadays. It can't afford for future development of its other; USSR heritage arms, note please that Armenians contributed in it a lot, now they have no means to develop/modernize new arms.

          At that point even small Armenia’s support of Russia in international affairs will be very useful for Russia/Putin. And they would become very polite at dealing with Armenia.

          In fact this violent act of “international terrorism” will be remembered by Armenian patriots for a long time and it puts additional separation lines between our nations that will have long term negative effect on Russian-Armenian relations.

          This is the beginning of the end of Russian overwhelming influence on Armenia.

          I think EU deeply understands our situation and they will allow us making next smaller steps of Armenia’s Association with EU, despite of Russian obstacles. EU may even offer confidential security guarantees against Turkey and Russia to insure footstep in Caucasus, that after "resolution" of the Syrian conflict may become very important and the only monoethnic-reliable spot for spreading the Christian Club and USA influence in the region, almost as important, as Israel is for USA in that area.

          USA appreciates Israel’s role played in the area with comprehensive security guarantees and economic incentives, but Russia doesn’t recognize/understand that the same role Armenia plays for it; bear doesn’t have enough brains to assess Armenia’s contribution in its geopolitical standing. Therefore it’s high time gradually changing our political orientation (in a secure, confidential manner) and playing the difficult role for the reliable and trustworthy ally/s. I think soon, after Syria's breakdown ... alas, we'll get that offer from EU/USA.
          Last edited by gegev; 09-04-2013, 03:26 AM.

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          • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

            [QUOTE=gegev;344558]EU may even offer Armenia confidential (for a time being) security guarantees against Russia and Turkey to insure its footstep in Caucasus, that after "resolution" of the Syrian conflict may become very important and the only monoethnic-reliable spot for spreading the Christian Club and USA influence in the region, almost as important, as Israel is for USA in its area.



            Can you name one Christian country in Europe.

            Can you name one Christian country that has rushed to the aid of another Christian country (in the name of Christianity) in the last 1000 YEARS.

            We lost Giligia hoping that such miricles would happen.

            THIS IS FANTASY



            Turkey is already earmarked for that role and not because they are Christians !!!





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            Last edited by londontsi; 09-04-2013, 05:38 AM.
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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            • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

              Yeh here we go again .. EU is going broke and its countries daggers have grown dull after stabbing us so many times in the back but some people just can't get enough of the EU coolaid. The USA is xxxxxd out-it has no self interests because it is not a country - it is a services for hire state and the highest bidder decides everything and many of these decisions are against the best interests of the people of the USA. Yeh our relations with Russia are far from perfect but do you really want to join the EU knowing that the country which tried to eradicate us is the strongest military force there followed by the second and third strongest states which also played major roles in killing millions of our people. If the EU has any integrity it would not make Armenia choose between the two unions and the fact that it does means that it looks at Armenia as a political tool rather then a trade partner.
              Hayastan or Bust.

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              • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                Originally posted by gegev View Post
                EU may even offer Armenia confidential (for a time being) security guarantees against Russia and Turkey to insure its footstep in Caucasus, that after "resolution" of the Syrian conflict may become very important and the only monoethnic-reliable spot for spreading the Christian Club and USA influence in the region, almost as important, as Israel is for USA in its area.
                Can you name one Christian country in Europe.

                Can you name one Christian country that has rushed to the aid of another Christian country (in the name of Christianity) in the last 1000 YEARS.

                We lost Giligia hoping that such miricles would happen.

                THIS IS FANTASY

                Turkey is already earmarked for that role and not because they are Christians !!!
                .
                In my argumentation the Christian Club name wasn't used as an argument, but rather as another name for EU. I have put down my arguments properly; they will help us; because they need Armenia in current geopolitical situation. Did you read that?

                And besides do you claim that there are no Christians in EU? Don't remember about the past that frequently .... the future is more important.

                As refers to Turkey they may mark Turkish ear now, but when the time for actual joining approval comes, they will refuse them in it, for sure, I bet.
                Last edited by gegev; 09-04-2013, 07:12 AM.

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                • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                  Look at this story and look at the title. It says that EU will not let Armenia to participate as a associate yet it states Russia is the one blackmailing her.

                  EU: ARMENIA WAS BLACKMAILED

                  Radio Liberty: Armenia's surprise pledge to join the customs union of
                  Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan will thwart its Association Agreement
                  with the European Union, EU officials confirmed late on Tuesday.

                  News reports quoted Foreign Minister Linas Linkevicius of Lithuania,
                  the current EU president, as saying that Armenian membership in the
                  Russian-led union will be incompatible with the key element of he
                  planned agreement: the creation of a "deep and comprehensive free
                  trade area" with the EU.

                  "We respect any choice of countries but they cannot enter both
                  organizations at the same time because of different tariff
                  requirements," Linkevicius told the AFP news agency.

                  Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt, whose country has been a key
                  backer of association deals with ex-Soviet states, made similar
                  comments on Twitter. "Seems as if Armenia will break talks on free
                  trade agreement with EU and integrate with Russia instead," he wrote.

                  Armenia negotiated 4 years to get Association Agreement with EU. Now
                  President [Serzh Sarkisian] prefers Kremlin to Brussels," Bildt added
                  in a separate entry.

                  Elmar Brok, the German chairman of the European Parliament's Foreign
                  Affairs Committee, likewise said Armenia's Association Agreement
                  will not be signed any time soon. "I feel very sorry because it is
                  legally -- because of certain conditions -- not possible to be a full
                  member both of the Customs Union and have an association agreement
                  and free trade area agreement with the European Union," he told an
                  RFE/RL correspondent in Brussels.

                  Brok blamed Russia for Yerevan's U-turn that was announced after
                  Sarkisian's talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin. "A small
                  country like Armenia was blackmailed to make such a decision," he said.

                  Asked about the future of Armenia's relationship with the EU, the
                  lawmaker said, "There will be a relationship as we have with every
                  country but not a relationship with a European perspective."

                  The European Commission, the EU's executive body, has not yet
                  officially reacted to the development. A spokesman for EU Enlargement
                  Commissioner Stefan Fuele told RFE/RL that he is "currently consulting
                  our Armenian partners on the latest developments" and that the
                  "potential implications" will be examined when "all the necessary
                  details" emerge.

                  Radio Liberty 09:29 04/09/2013 Story from Lragir.am News:
                  Hayastan or Bust.

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                  • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                    Originally posted by TomServo View Post
                    Who would want to cooperate with a small republic that is represented by such ethnocentric and stubbornly insular individuals, anyway?
                    Not fair to say.....Armenia does have strategical values but it lacks strategy herself, which may come in time since the independence only 22 years ago. I have seen some of that by the current President.
                    B0zkurt Hunter

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                    • Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

                      Armenia: EU position on the latest developments

                      European Commission Statement.

                      Thursday, 05 September 2013



                      In July this year, after three and a half years, we finalised the negotiations of the Association Agreement (including a Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area) with Armenia. This agreement would allow Armenia with the EU´s support, to drive forward a programme of comprehensive modernisation and reform based upon shared values, political association and economic integration.

                      We take note of Armenia's apparent wish to join the Customs Union. We look forward to understanding better from Armenia what their intentions are and how they wish to ensure compatibility between these and the commitments undertaken through the Association Agreement and DCFTA. Once this consultation has been completed, we will draw our conclusions on the way forward. We want to underline once again that AA/DCFTA is a blueprint for reforms beneficial for all and not a zero-sum game and could be compatible with economic cooperation with the members of the Commonwealth of Independent States.
                      This is the EU answer (in simple words) to Russian "bear politics" towards Armenia;

                      “Dear Putin,

                      You have an ax to threaten Armenia and force to "join" your Customs Union; we have instead softer/wiser, but effective means/methods of fighting your “Superpower” games you play towards the small and weak countries. We will proceed with Armenia Association to show the world the differences; what EU and/or Customs Union can offer, in fact, to Armenia/others. And then based on results the countries will finally choose the one that showed up positive results; that is EU.

                      With best regards,
                      European Union”
                      Last edited by gegev; 09-05-2013, 03:16 AM.

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