Kocharian's Return

[Mos]

Re: Kocharian's Return

Whoever is our next leader i hope he will establish a free trade zone especialy with Iran. Armenia and Iran face similar problems in the sense that we are surrounded by our enemies and our mutual border should be much more active then it has been. I get pissed off when people start xxxxxing about Iranians in Hayastan but then again those same people would xxxxx about having even fellow armenians there as well. People naturaly dont like change but change is inevitable so...

Well we should obviously pursue deeper economic ties with Iran, that country has a lot to offer.

When it comes to Iranian tourists in Armenia, the reason that some Armenians complain is because some Iranian tourists don't behave when coming to Armenia. For example, had a friend working in a restaurant and he said Iranians would come take off their shoes at the table, and it has happened they even clipped their nails there. They would often create mischief there but because he and the restaurant owner were afraid of them going to the embassy to report them, they didn't kick them out. Some Iranian tourists provoke fights with Armenians because they know that will not be prosecuted as badly, and they have protection of their embassy. You also have a good portion of "tourists" that come and right away ask for the taxi to drive to the nearest strip club, prostitute place, night club, etc. Instead of visiting the rich cultural sites that we have, our museums, our nature, that portion of tourists focus on these things. Now tourism is great for Armenia it brings revenue and publicity to Armenia. I will always welcome Iranian tourists, however, given that they do not act grossly arrogant and also they actually visit Armenia, not just visit the strip club or just to get drunk. We want to promote tourism that highlights our country's culture and history, not highlights our alcohol, prostitutes and strip club.

There are Iranian tourists that don't do that and are gracious visitors, I'm talking about the portion that do. And obviously would not want Iranians or any other foreigner to permanently reside in Armenia.

[Mos]

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and I will be honest, because of some of those rowdy Iranian tourists, people in Armenia have a very negative view of Iranians, which is unfortunate because our peoples are friends. I didn't meet one person in Armenia this summer that praised the Iranian tourists or said good things about them.

[haysip]

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I say fix up Meghri so the Iranians wont come to Yerevan. Meghri's GDP will grow plus its much closer to iran.

[Mos]

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I say fix up Meghri so the Iranians wont come to Yerevan. Meghri's GDP will grow plus its much closer to iran.

Well they built the ճոպանուղի near tatev vank, in the southern region, so that's a definite start.

[Haykakan]

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Ever wonder what others think of Armenan tourists? Hell everytime there is a armenian event in a city all the hotel hallways get toilet papered and couches end up in strange places and hotels start to ban hosting armenian events...Before all these haters complain so much they should really take a good look at themselves first!

[Mos]

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Ever wonder what others think of Armenan tourists? Hell everytime there is a armenian event in a city all the hotel hallways get toilet papered and couches end up in strange places and hotels start to ban hosting armenian events...Before all these haters complain so much they should really take a good look at themselves first!

Well, Armenian tourists visiting Europe from Armenia for example tend to behave much better. One of the reasons though you have some Persians doing that is because the Persians who visit Armenia are usually the middle/lower class, the upper class visit Turkey or Europe. Armenia is a cheap destination and is relatively close, especially for the people in the North, thus you get all sorts of people. Not saying we always behave ourselves in every place, but I believe our behaviour in a tourist destinations is much better.

[Haykakan]

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O cmon. Armenians go hoaring in moscow just as much if not more than Iranians do in Hayastan. We got plenty of midddle/lower class Armenians to you know. I think most of the compaints i have been hearing are due to the fact that armenians are not used to living in a tourist destination but they are used to being the tourist. Looking at things from a different perspective is a real eyeopner sometimes.

[Mos]

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O cmon. Armenians go hoaring in moscow just as much if not more than Iranians do in Hayastan. We got plenty of midddle/lower class Armenians to you know. I think most of the compaints i have been hearing are due to the fact that armenians are not used to living in a tourist destination but they are used to being the tourist. Looking at things from a different perspective is a real eyeopner sometimes.

If Russians allow that kind of behaviour does that mean we should as well? I doubt actually a Russian restaurant would allow that or if armenians acted like that in the street they would get firmly dealt by the police. Should we tolerate people taking off their shoes in restaurants and getting drunk enough to cause mischief, but the owners fearing them going to the embassy thus not saying anything? Should we let Armenia become a cheap strip club/alcohol destination for lower class people? Yes we have to get used to living in a tourist destination, and that means not tolerating rowdy behaviour, public drunkenness, and public mischief from any group that visits our country, we should greatly emphasise the real cultural sites of Armenia, our churches, our museums, etc. We can be a 1 star tourist destination or we can have more class to our label, which we definitely deserve given our history and culture. Tourists should show some respect to our culture and country when they come to Armenia, and we will show them respect back ten fold.

[Haykakan]

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Respect is earned not given thus if you treat Iranians with respect you may get respect back but you well know Iranians are not respected by Armenians when they visit. As for why the ycome to Armenia well if u dont want them coming to stripclubs and hoarhouses and bars then quit building them-its that simple. O wait hoar houses and bars make boku money so thats why they wont stop building them.. If you want the business you get the rest of the xxxx that comes with it. Armenia has been full of historical wonders for eons but nobody came banging on our doors much did they? Sure cultural, historical, archological tourisms and other types have plenty of promise in Armenia but when you offer tits and cheap booz then dont be surprized that thats what they come for. Its like bringing a cobra into the house but being shokingly surprized that it bit your child.

[Mos]

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Respect is earned not given thus if you treat Iranians with respect you may get respect back but you well know Iranians are not respected by Armenians when they visit. As for why the ycome to Armenia well if u dont want them coming to stripclubs and hoarhouses and bars then quit building them-its that simple. O wait hoar houses and bars make boku money so thats why they wont stop building them.. If you want the business you get the rest of the xxxx that comes with it. Armenia has been full of historical wonders for eons but nobody came banging on our doors much did they? Sure cultural, historical, archological tourisms and other types have plenty of promise in Armenia but when you offer tits and cheap booz then dont be surprized that thats what they come for. Its like bringing a cobra into the house but being shokingly surprized that it bit your child.

As guests, Iranians in Armenia should earn respect by good behaviour. They should know they are guests and be respectful to the country they are visiting. Is that so much demanding from them?

Like any other secular country Armenia is gong to have alcohol and strip clubs - that is natural. We just shouldn't make that the focal point of our tourism industry. We should emphasise real Armenia, because those things are not Armenia. In the end, it's the tourist's choice, of course I would like them to visit more the cultural sites, but in the end the only thing that can be demanded from them is that they behave and respect the law.