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  • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

    June 14, 2011

    Emboldened Kurds Press Demands in Turkey


    The imprisoned leader of the Kurdish rebel group the PKK set a June 15 deadline for Turkey's government to start negotiations to resolve Kurdish demands or face a return to conflict. Since the threat, made in April, Turkey's pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party, the BDP, scored advances in last Sunday's general election, increasing its representation from 20 to 36 in the 550-seat assembly.

    The success of the pro-Kurdish BDP in Sunday's elections comes as concerns are being expressed that Turkey is the verge of a return to conflict and civil unrest because of the unmet aspirations of its Kurdish minority. One of the newly elected deputies, Altan Tan, has a stark warning to the new government:

    "We want a new constitution, we want an agreement with the government, which will give us our rights. If they don’t solve this problem, they could not do anything. We will make Kurdistan like Egypt, like Yemen, like Syria. We don’t want this," Tan said.

    His warning follows the arrest over the last two years of nearly 2,000 party members, including 12 elected mayors, all accused of having links to the outlawed PKK, which has been fighting the Turkish state since 1984. The imprisoned leader of the PKK, Abdullah Ocalan, has warned that the rebels will end their cease-fire on Wednesday unless the government starts negotiations to meet their demands.

    The escalating situation follows the collapse two years ago of government attempts to end the conflict, an effort known as the 'Kurdish opening."

    "Until now Turkish politicians have put condition to negotiate -- stop the armed struggle. Kurds did. Nothing happened, with the exception of (the) short-lived Kurdish opening. As long as there is no political process, the armed struggle will probably continue," said political scientist Cengiz Aktar, from Istanbul's Bahcesehir University.

    In his victory speech following the re-election of Turkey's ruling party, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan committed himself to a new constitution, which he said will be a politically inclusive process. But during the election campaign, in which he courted Turkish nationalist voters, he took a tough stance against Kurdish demands for education in Kurdish and greater autonomy. Mr. Erdogan even said he would have hanged PKK leader Ocalan if he had been in power when Ocalan was captured in 1999.

    But if Mr. Erdogan is prepared to negotiate, he may find more willing partners than in the past among the newly-elected pro-Kurdish deputies. according to Sinan Ulgen of the Turkish research firm Edam:

    "On the positive side, they have also included some representatives who have not been associated [with the] more radical line of the Kurdish movement. That might allow them to play a more constructive role on the Kurdish issue," Ulgen said.

    But a political scientist at Istanbul University, Nuray Mert, questions whether any of Turkey's main parties are ready to address the Kurdish movement's warnings and calls to negotiate.

    "Unfortunately, neither the governing parties nor parties in opposition, they refuse to take it seriously, and think if [they] recognize [the] seriousness of the problem, it will be a surrender to Kurdish demands," said Mert.

    During his campaign, the prime minister said there was no longer a Kurdish problem, but rather the problem lay with the BDP inciting unrest. The BDP countered that they represented Turkey's last chance for a negotiated settlement, warning that the generation following them will be far more militant.

    That threat is real, according to the deputy head of the ruling AK party in Diyarbakir, Mohammed Akar.

    He says that if there is disappointment, the whole idea of integration will end. Separation and conflict will come to the fore. He says that if he can see this, the prime minister, the state should see it as well. Akar adds that "The danger that is lying ahead is a nightmare," Akar said.

    Since the start of the PKK's armed struggle, more than 40,000 people have been killed. Observers warn that Turkey's new parliament may find the country at a crossroads - either peace or a return to conflict and civil strife.

    Turkey's pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party, the BDP, scored advances in last Sunday's general election

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    • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

      Interesting link:

      Abdullah Ocalan, a jailed PKK leader, says unless government starts negotiations by June 15 deadline group will return to conflict

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      • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

        Armenian expert forecasts Kurdish issue exacerbation in Turkey
        June 15, 2011 - 16:26 AMT


        PanARMENIAN.Net - Director of the Oriental Studies Institute at the Armenian National Academy of Sciences, professor Ruben Safrastyan forecasts exacerbation of Kurdish issue in Turkey.

        As the expert told a news conference in Yerevan, the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP), which gained over 50% of votes at recent parliamentary elections is unable to solve the gradually exacerbating problem. “This is the reason the pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party, which failed to garner enough votes to make it to parliament, however managing to secure seats for its supporters, demands a dialogue with the ruling party,” the expert said.

        “Kurds are aware that Erdogan won’t be able to change the country’s constitution all by himself,” Safrastyan remarked.


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        • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

          WORLD: Israel and Kurds: the time for open support



          Israel has quietly cooperated with Kurdish rebels for decades. We are essential to them as their only source of military expertise and an important source of weapons, and we need them for clandestine activities in Iran.

          Now that the Iraqi government is impotent and Kurdish leaders have proclaimed their right to autonomy, if not secession, Israel must come out into the open. There are many pros and no cons.

          Israeli support for the Kurds is our best threat to Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, which have large Kurdish minorities.

          Kurdistan, with its mammoth oil reserves, will be one of the richest nations on earth, and a viable partner for Israel.

          Kurds are by far the most civilized Muslims, and cooperation with them is an excellent way for Israel to break Muslim unity against us.

          Helping the Kurds to break up Iraq would also be a good way to snub Obama.

          The Kurds have a large standing army, which has won many battles against the Iraqis. We can help them win. We can stem Iraqi retaliation against them by promising direct involvement on their behalf. We can pressure the United States to recognize their independence.

          Kurdistan is a historic opportunity for Israel, and it would be a crime to miss it.


          Samson Blinded

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          • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

            One soldier killed in attack in eastern Turkey

            Monday, June 27, 2011
            VAN - Anatolia News Agency

            Suspected members of an outlawed group opened fire on a military vehicle in eastern Turkey, killing a soldier and wounding three others, the Anatolia news agency reported Monday.


            The vehicle came under attack from the terrorist Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, in a rural area in the Van province, the report said.


            Meanwhile, jailed PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan has sent peace proposals to Ankara aimed at ending 26 years of deadly conflict, a senior PKK member was quoted as saying Monday.


            Öcalan, who retains his influence despite being behind bars, submitted three “protocols” to officials who met him in prison last month, Murat Karayılan, a senior name in the PKK, said in an interview with the Milliyet daily.


            The papers call for constitutional reforms to grant the Kurds self-governance and Kurdish-language education as well as “conditions for total exclusion of violence and for disarmament on the basis of mutual forgiveness,” Karayılan said.


            Öcalan also asked to be allowed to meet with anyone in prison “so that the process can function properly,” he said.


            “The state delegation that met with Öcalan a month ago did not reject those protocols. They said they would take them up with the state and the government... We are waiting for a response,” Karayılan said.


            “2011 should be the year of settlement. Otherwise, we will resist. We are at a very critical juncture,” he told Milliyet.


            He spoke of a “window of opportunity” following the June 12 elections in which 36 pro-Kurdish candidates won parliamentary seats. He lamented however “a heavy blow to anticipations” when the authorities last week stripped one of the deputies of his seat and refused to release five others who were elected from jail, where they await trial for links to the PKK.


            Karayılan spoke to Milliyet in the Qandil mountains of neighboring northern Iraq, a Kurdish-run region where the PKK has long taken refuge.

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            • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

              Ankara alarmed as 13 troops killed in attack

              Thirteen soldiers were killed and seven wounded in an ambush in Diyarbakır’s Silvan district, the Anatolia news agency reported Thursday. Alarmed by the news, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan canceled all of his programs and called for an emergency security meeting in his office in Ankara. Beşir Atalay, deputy prime minister in charge of security affairs, Gen. Işık Koşaner, the chief of General Staff, Hakan Fidaner, the head of the National Intelligence Organization, and Interior Minister İdris Naim Şahin joined the emergency meeting as Turkish Air Force jets started air operations in the region of the clash in Southeast Turkey.

              The Democratic Society Congress, or DTK, an alleged front organization for the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, meanwhile met with 850 of its delegates in Diyarbakır on Thursday and announced the decision to start the process of what the group called a “democratic autonomy.” The ambush in Silvan was reportedly set up by the PKK, whose imprisoned leader has been discussing an extended truce with the government. As a first reaction to the incident, Parliament Speaker Cemil Çiçek said it was “Time for everyone to determine which side they are on: democracy or bloodshed.”

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              • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                come on,guys. armenians and kurds are friends today,not enemies.
                i as a kurd know that kurds killed armenians durning the genocide,and im very sorry for that.

                and artsakh,i saw in one of your first comments here that you wanted to know more about the kurdish army/peshmerga.
                well,here are some information:
                troops: 375 000
                MBT (main battle tanks) :300-550 (100-200 T-72 most of them captured from saddam,some of them bought from russia)
                MRL (multiple rocket laughers): 60-80 BM-21 GRAD
                IFV: unknown
                artilery: unknown
                helicopters: 30 (black hawks bouth from US and Saudi arabia in 2006 and 2010)
                and some hundreds of pt76 and 2S1 captured in 2003 (oporation Iraqi freedom)
                we also bought some tanks from russia in 2004/05,but i dont know what kind. sorry

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                • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                  Originally posted by Rando View Post
                  come on,guys. armenians and kurds are friends today,not enemies.
                  i as a kurd know that kurds killed armenians durning the genocide,and im very sorry for that.

                  and artsakh,i saw in one of your first comments here that you wanted to know more about the kurdish army/peshmerga.
                  well,here are some information:
                  troops: 375 000
                  MBT (main battle tanks) :300-550 (100-200 T-72 most of them captured from saddam,some of them bought from russia)
                  MRL (multiple rocket laughers): 60-80 BM-21 GRAD
                  IFV: unknown
                  artilery: unknown
                  helicopters: 30 (black hawks bouth from US and Saudi arabia in 2006 and 2010)
                  and some hundreds of pt76 and 2S1 captured in 2003 (oporation Iraqi freedom)
                  we also bought some tanks from russia in 2004/05,but i dont know what kind. sorry
                  I support a Kurdish state and hope when it finally and inevitably comes, they will be friends with Armenia. I worry that the Turks will once again subvert what should/could be good relations between Armenians and Kurds. Whether some Armenians and Kurds realize or not, we have much to offer on another and share a common enemy that wants to ultimately destroy both of us. Certainly relations are not perfect but can get better. From the Armenian point of view, it will take some more time for relations to be completely amicable and trust to be built.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                    Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                    I support a Kurdish state and hope when it finally and inevitably comes, they will be friends with Armenia. I worry that the Turks will once again subvert what should/could be good relations between Armenians and Kurds. Whether some Armenians and Kurds realize or not, we have much to offer on another and share a common enemy that wants to ultimately destroy both of us. Certainly relations are not perfect but can get better. From the Armenian point of view, it will take some more time for relations to be completely amicable and trust to be built.
                    thanks you for supporting an indeependent kurdistan,brother.
                    and yes,i agree 100% with you. kurds and armenians will hopefully become best friends one day.
                    Last edited by Rando; 07-18-2011, 03:45 AM.

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                    • Re: Prospects of a Kurdish state and what it means for Armenia

                      Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                      I support a Kurdish state and hope when it finally and inevitably comes, they will be friends with Armenia. I worry that the Turks will once again subvert what should/could be good relations between Armenians and Kurds. Whether some Armenians and Kurds realize or not, we have much to offer on another and share a common enemy that wants to ultimately destroy both of us. Certainly relations are not perfect but can get better. From the Armenian point of view, it will take some more time for relations to be completely amicable and trust to be built.
                      This is what people call; rational thinking, thanks.

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