Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

[Mos]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

With Artaskh part of Armenia, we will have a rather complicated geography, with Azerbaijan's controlled enclave of naxijevan, and the free states of Abkhazia and S. Ossetia, S. Caucasus is going to look like a fragmented soup.

[londontsi]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

With Artaskh part of Armenia, we will have a rather complicated geography, with Azerbaijan's controlled enclave of naxijevan, and the free states of Abkhazia and S. Ossetia, S. Caucasus is going to look like a fragmented soup.

I would say the complication will be with Azerbaijan vis-a-vi Naxichevan

[Mos]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

I would say the complication will be with Azerbaijan vis-a-vi Naxichevan

Though wouldn't Artaskh also be like an enclave? We would have a narrow connection of course with Lachin, but still it would pretty much be surrounded by Azerbaijan. I hope we don't give that security belt up any time soon, I don't feel comfortable for example giving Kelbajar to Azerbaijan.

[Federate]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

Having two independant state may cause some problems loo at Arab states they have 22 independant state and the 23rd is on its way but they hate each other. In case of Armenians my idea is to have 2 independant state recognized by UN as Federate and londontsi put it but I wanna go one step further. 2 states with the stablishment of an EU like even better Armenian Union making these two independant countries as one country

The Arab comparison is unlikely to happen given that in all reality, Artsakh is and will be completely dependent on Armenia, a symbiotic relationship unlike all the other Arab countries. I like your EU idea and on the ground currently, it very much resembles it already.

Two independent states will on the long-run have negative consequences. It will divide our people, and foreign countries will have two different "countries" to infiltrate, stir things up, or even cause tensions between Armenians and "Artsakhians". It is "common knowledge" that after independence, Artsakh will hold a referendum to reunite with Armenia, I think this is also the correct path. It's even hard to unite Armenians living in Yerevan or Gyumri for example.

And about the weapons treaty, the world doesn't give a xxxx. The UN is a non-functioning, corrupt, biased system.

That's really the only fear that could come out of this but the mentality will sadly exist whether Artsakh is independent or not. Thugs like Levon will continue to play a "Gharabaghtsi vs Hye" card that does not exist.

Though wouldn't Artaskh also be like an enclave? We would have a narrow connection of course with Lachin, but still it would pretty much be surrounded by Azerbaijan. I hope we don't give that security belt up any time soon, I don't feel comfortable for example giving Kelbajar to Azerbaijan.

What enclave?



Forget "giving "Kelbajar"" back, we're not going to give "Agdam" back either. There is no such thing as a security belt, there is the constitutional borders of Artsakh!

[Mos]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

What enclave?



Forget "giving "Kelbajar"" back, we're not going to give "Agdam" back either. There is no such thing as a security belt, there is the constitutional borders of Artsakh!

I hope we could. The thing is though we have made the returning of that "security belt" in negotiations already a given thing to the Azeris. (though given we won the war, I still don't understand why we should be the ones making concessions).

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

I hope we could. The thing is though we have made the returning of that "security belt" in negotiations already a given thing to the Azeris. (though given we won the war, I still don't understand why we should be the ones making concessions).

Who is the we thing? Serge the president of Armenia has nothing to say what happens in Artsakh.

[Hye]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

Tigranakert why the passimism give some credit to Armenians. Federate put it succedly Artsakh is and will remain too dependant on Armenia so don't worry about that besides under well stablished constitution and laws the Armenian union would be effective enough to avoid much feared clashes. I don't think Artsakh will ever feeel closer to Iran or Azerbaijan than Armenia. As for people panetrating and stuff it would happen anyway either with or without independance.

Federate the map that you have posted isn't the current borders of Artsakh it includes Shahumian and parts of martuni and mardakert under ocupation am i right?

[Mos]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

Who is the we thing? Serge the president of Armenia has nothing to say what happens in Artsakh.

What I mean is, the position of Armenia in the negotiations with Azerbaijan. The security belt was always deemed to be temporary and just be a bargaining chip.

[Federate]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

Federate the map that you have posted isn't the current borders of Artsakh it includes Shahumian and parts of martuni and mardakert under ocupation am i right?

Yeah you are right You can compare it to this:

[Federate]

Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

What I mean is, the position of Armenia in the negotiations with Azerbaijan. The security belt was always deemed to be temporary and just be a bargaining chip.

Armenia has never said that. That is part of the successful information war Azerbaijan has conducted where they have repeatedly spread the rumour that we are going to withdraw from the "seven-occupied territories" before determining the status of Artsakh.