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Re: Regional geopolitics
Iranian special forces arrive in Palmyra to help liberate the city
By Leith Fadel -
21/03/2016
According to a trusted military source in Damascus, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) – alongside Liwaa Al-Fatemiyoun (Afghani paramilitary) – arrived to Hill 900 in the Palmyra (Tadmur) countryside on Sunday as part of the final wave of reinforcements to help liberate this ancient desert city.
The IRGC and Liwaa Al-Fatemiyoun contingent was not as large as the brigade from the Syrian Marines that arrived to the Palmyra countryside last week; however, they are an important component in the military strategy to defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham (ISIS) across the country.
The source did not mention whether or not the IRGC was planning on participating in the actual battle to liberate the city; it is very likely that they will be advising the Syrian Armed Forces and their allies from afar. Interesting enough, as the Syrian Armed Forces kick-off their massive desert offensive in eastern Syria, the Iraqi Army has begun a large-scale operation to liberate the Al-‘Anbar Governorate from the ISIS terrorists inhabiting a substantial portion of it.
The timing of these offensives is rather important because ISIS is currently being attacked from two different flanks in two different countries. Since the Iranians are advising both armies; it would not be out of the realm of possibility that they coordinated this coincidental military operation against ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...liberate-city/ | Al-Masdar News
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Syrian Army arrests militants responsible for downing Russian helicopter
By Chris Tomson -
22/03/2016
Moments ago, Navy Marines of the Syrian Arab Army managed to catch 4 highly wanted militants from the Free Syrian Army’s 1st Coastal Brigade in Latakia province – these four fighters are responsible for downing a Russian M-8 helicopter. The incident, which at the time caused the death of one Russian pilot and one Russian elite soldier, happened after Turkey downed a Russian jet on the November 20th, 2015.
Shortly after getting message of Turkey downing a Russian war plane, the Syrian Army and Russian Army launched a top-secret joint rescue mission which helped them recover one of two pilots who parachuted from his Russian Su-24 jet; the other was executed by Turkmen rebels affiliated with Jabhat al-Nusra (al-Qaeda group).
Footage of these FSA militants downing the M-8 helicopter with a TOW-missile: The four FSA fighters, whose names have not been made official yet, were captured by an elite SAA unit after they were preparing an offensive in the countryside of Lattakia province.
However, their plans were quickly halted and they now face being trialed in either Syria or Russia for terrorism-related crimes.
Remarkably, the four militants had themselves filmed while firing a heat-seeking-missile which destroyed a Russian M-8 helicopter and struck near the rescue unit. Thus, the trial while likely proceed easily. The picture below also implies that the men in the footage and the ones arrested are in fact one and the same:
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...an-helicopter/ | Al-Masdar News
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I found this article extremely interesting.
Not sure if this is the best thread for it.
Technology SITREP: How Russian engineering made the current operation in Syria possible
The pace and effectiveness of the Russian Air Force (well, technically they are now called AirSpace Forces or ASF so I will refer to them as RASF from now on) has the western military experts in shock. Not only are the number of sorties per day about 3 times as much as a US or NATO country could achieve, but the Russian airstrikes are amazingly accurate even though the Russians are flying at over 5000m above ground, well out of reach of man portable air defense systems (MANPADS). They are even flying at night and in bad weather. This is even more puzzling considering that most of the work, at least in quantitative terms, is done by old SU-24s (first deployed in 1974) and SU-25 (first deployed in 1981). In fact, most of the missions in Syria could have been executed by these to excellent but, frankly, ancient aircraft and the main reason for the presence of the brand new and extremely advanced SU-34 is to test out the airframe and its systems (and since the Turks shot down the SU-24, to provide credible air-to-air self defense capability where needed). So what is the deal here? How did the Russians achieve these apparently quasi-miraculous results?
With something called the SVP-24.
But first let me give you some background, a bombing 101 crash course of sorts.
The original bombs of “WWII” technology were simple gravity bombs. Airplanes dropped them by roughly aiming through a basic targeting system and they fell more or less on target. For carpet bombing this was adequate and for precision bombing this was not ideal, but considering the slow speed or aircraft and their low altitude that was okay. However, with the increase in the speed of aircraft a one second delay in releasing a bomb could easily result in a miss by 600-800 meters, if not more. Furthermore, some reinforced targets needed a direct hit (command posts, bridges, etc.). Two main type of guided bombs were developed: laser-guided and TV guided.
The laser guided bomb work very simply: the aircraft (or ground spotter) “paints” the target with a laser beam, and the bomb has some (limited) ability to glide towards that easily distinguishable spot of light. The TV guided bomb also operates in a simple manner: the weapons system officers centers the bomb’s TV camera on the target and glides the bomb towards it. As long as the bomb is within a specific “envelope” (speed, altitude, angle) the bomb will hit. Or not. Because even one small cloud puff can result in a major loss of accuracy which, again, with the speed at which these aircraft fly today can mean hundreds of meters (if that topic interests you, see this Wikipedia article).
The advent of satellite guidance ushered a new era for guided weapons. For the first time it became possible to use GPS (or, for the Russians, GLONASS) satellite signals to guide a bomb to a target. Not only were these satellite guided bombs more accurate, they also did not depend on good weather conditions. Their main problem was that they were very expensive to manufacture. The other problem is that most weapons stores were full of thousands of cheap and old unguided bombs. What to do with them?
The Americans came up with an elegant solution: the JDAM. The Joint Direct Attack Munition kit was a way to convert “dumb” (non-guided) bombs into “smart” (guided) bombs by attaching a special kit to them. You can read more about this in this Wikipedia article. This made it possible to use old bombs, but this was still not cheap, roughly 25’000 dollars a kit (according to Wikipedia).
The Russians came up with a much better solution.
Instead of mounting a kit on an old bomb and lose the kit every time, the Russians mounted a JDAM-like kit, but on the airplane.
Introducing the SVP-24:
SVP stands for “специализированная вычислительная подсистема” or “special computing subsystem”. What this system does is that it constantly compares the position of the aircraft and the target (using the GLONASS satellite navigation system), it measures the environmental parameters (pressure, humidity, windspeed, speed, angle of attack, etc.). It can also receive additional information from datalinks from AWACs aircraft, ground stations, and other aircraft. The SVP-24 then computes an “envelope” (speed, altitude, course) inside which the dumb bombs are automatically released exactly at the precise moment when their unguided flight will bring them right over the target (with a 3-5m accuracy).
In practical terms this means that every 30+ year old Russian “dumb” bomb can now be delivered by a 30+ year old Russian aircraft with the same precision as a brand new guided bomb delivered by a top of the line modern bomber.
Not only that, but the pilot does not even have to worry about targeting anything. He just enters the target’s exact coordinates into his system, flies within a defined envelope and the bombs are automatically released for him. He can place his full attention on detecting any hostiles (aircraft, missiles, AA guns). And the best part of this all is that this system can be used in high altitude bombing runs, well over the 5000m altitude which MANPADs cannot reach. Finally, clouds, smoke, weather conditions or time of the day play no role in this whatsoever.
Last, but not least, this is a very *cheap* solution. Russian can now use the huge stores of ‘dumb’ bombs they have accumulated during the Cold War, they can bring an infinite supply of such bombs to Syria and every one of them will strike with phenomenal accuracy. And since the SVP-24 is mounted on the aircraft and not the bomb, it can be reused as often as needed.
The SVP-24 has now been confirmed to be mounted on the Russian SU-24s, SU-25s, Tu-22M3 “Backfires” and the Kamov Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters, the venerable MiG-27 and even the L-39 trainer. In other words, it can be deployed on practically *any* rotary or fixed wing aircraft, from big bombers to small trainers. I bet you the Mi-24s and Mi-35Ms deployed near Latakia also have them.
Here are what the various parts of the SVP-24 system look like (photo from the MAKS Air Show in Zhukovsky):
The SVP-24 proves, yet again, the good engineering, especially good military engineering does not have to be expensive or flashy. In practice the introduction of the SVP-24 in the RASF resulted in a net reduction in operating costs.
In conclusion, I will note that things are not always rosy and perfect in the Russian military either. In fact, the company producing the SVP-24 had to sue the Russian Ministry of Defense for unpaid money and there was a great deal of opposition inside the MoD to the SVP-24 (probably due to the influence of corrupt competitors). Eventually all problems were resolved, the SVP-24 is being deployed in huge numbers, but it took a long and hard battle to get to this point. So, just like in the USA, corruption in the Russian military remains one of the worst enemies of the armed forces.
Anyway, I hope that you have found this digression “under the hood” interesting.
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.Last edited by londontsi; 03-23-2016, 07:43 AM.Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests
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Re: Regional geopolitics
Originally posted by londontsi View PostI found this article extremely interesting.
Not sure if this is the best thread for it.
Technology SITREP: How Russian engineering made the current operation in Syria possible
The pace and effectiveness of the Russian Air Force (well, technically they are now called AirSpace Forces or ASF so I will refer to them as RASF from now on) has the western military experts in shock. Not only are the number of sorties per day about 3 times as much as a US or NATO country could achieve, but the Russian airstrikes are amazingly accurate even though the Russians are flying at over 5000m above ground, well out of reach of man portable air defense systems (MANPADS). They are even flying at night and in bad weather. This is even more puzzling considering that most of the work, at least in quantitative terms, is done by old SU-24s (first deployed in 1974) and SU-25 (first deployed in 1981). In fact, most of the missions in Syria could have been executed by these to excellent but, frankly, ancient aircraft and the main reason for the presence of the brand new and extremely advanced SU-34 is to test out the airframe and its systems (and since the Turks shot down the SU-24, to provide credible air-to-air self defense capability where needed). So what is the deal here? How did the Russians achieve these apparently quasi-miraculous results?
With something called the SVP-24.
But first let me give you some background, a bombing 101 crash course of sorts.
The original bombs of “WWII” technology were simple gravity bombs. Airplanes dropped them by roughly aiming through a basic targeting system and they fell more or less on target. For carpet bombing this was adequate and for precision bombing this was not ideal, but considering the slow speed or aircraft and their low altitude that was okay. However, with the increase in the speed of aircraft a one second delay in releasing a bomb could easily result in a miss by 600-800 meters, if not more. Furthermore, some reinforced targets needed a direct hit (command posts, bridges, etc.). Two main type of guided bombs were developed: laser-guided and TV guided.
The laser guided bomb work very simply: the aircraft (or ground spotter) “paints” the target with a laser beam, and the bomb has some (limited) ability to glide towards that easily distinguishable spot of light. The TV guided bomb also operates in a simple manner: the weapons system officers centers the bomb’s TV camera on the target and glides the bomb towards it. As long as the bomb is within a specific “envelope” (speed, altitude, angle) the bomb will hit. Or not. Because even one small cloud puff can result in a major loss of accuracy which, again, with the speed at which these aircraft fly today can mean hundreds of meters (if that topic interests you, see this Wikipedia article).
The advent of satellite guidance ushered a new era for guided weapons. For the first time it became possible to use GPS (or, for the Russians, GLONASS) satellite signals to guide a bomb to a target. Not only were these satellite guided bombs more accurate, they also did not depend on good weather conditions. Their main problem was that they were very expensive to manufacture. The other problem is that most weapons stores were full of thousands of cheap and old unguided bombs. What to do with them?
The Americans came up with an elegant solution: the JDAM. The Joint Direct Attack Munition kit was a way to convert “dumb” (non-guided) bombs into “smart” (guided) bombs by attaching a special kit to them. You can read more about this in this Wikipedia article. This made it possible to use old bombs, but this was still not cheap, roughly 25’000 dollars a kit (according to Wikipedia).
The Russians came up with a much better solution.
Instead of mounting a kit on an old bomb and lose the kit every time, the Russians mounted a JDAM-like kit, but on the airplane.
Introducing the SVP-24:
SVP stands for “специализированная вычислительная подсистема” or “special computing subsystem”. What this system does is that it constantly compares the position of the aircraft and the target (using the GLONASS satellite navigation system), it measures the environmental parameters (pressure, humidity, windspeed, speed, angle of attack, etc.). It can also receive additional information from datalinks from AWACs aircraft, ground stations, and other aircraft. The SVP-24 then computes an “envelope” (speed, altitude, course) inside which the dumb bombs are automatically released exactly at the precise moment when their unguided flight will bring them right over the target (with a 3-5m accuracy).
In practical terms this means that every 30+ year old Russian “dumb” bomb can now be delivered by a 30+ year old Russian aircraft with the same precision as a brand new guided bomb delivered by a top of the line modern bomber.
Not only that, but the pilot does not even have to worry about targeting anything. He just enters the target’s exact coordinates into his system, flies within a defined envelope and the bombs are automatically released for him. He can place his full attention on detecting any hostiles (aircraft, missiles, AA guns). And the best part of this all is that this system can be used in high altitude bombing runs, well over the 5000m altitude which MANPADs cannot reach. Finally, clouds, smoke, weather conditions or time of the day play no role in this whatsoever.
Last, but not least, this is a very *cheap* solution. Russian can now use the huge stores of ‘dumb’ bombs they have accumulated during the Cold War, they can bring an infinite supply of such bombs to Syria and every one of them will strike with phenomenal accuracy. And since the SVP-24 is mounted on the aircraft and not the bomb, it can be reused as often as needed.
The SVP-24 has now been confirmed to be mounted on the Russian SU-24s, SU-25s, Tu-22M3 “Backfires” and the Kamov Ka-50 and Ka-52 helicopters, the venerable MiG-27 and even the L-39 trainer. In other words, it can be deployed on practically *any* rotary or fixed wing aircraft, from big bombers to small trainers. I bet you the Mi-24s and Mi-35Ms deployed near Latakia also have them.
Here are what the various parts of the SVP-24 system look like (photo from the MAKS Air Show in Zhukovsky):
The SVP-24 proves, yet again, the good engineering, especially good military engineering does not have to be expensive or flashy. In practice the introduction of the SVP-24 in the RASF resulted in a net reduction in operating costs.
In conclusion, I will note that things are not always rosy and perfect in the Russian military either. In fact, the company producing the SVP-24 had to sue the Russian Ministry of Defense for unpaid money and there was a great deal of opposition inside the MoD to the SVP-24 (probably due to the influence of corrupt competitors). Eventually all problems were resolved, the SVP-24 is being deployed in huge numbers, but it took a long and hard battle to get to this point. So, just like in the USA, corruption in the Russian military remains one of the worst enemies of the armed forces.
Anyway, I hope that you have found this digression “under the hood” interesting.
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.Hayastan or Bust.
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Originally posted by Vrej1915 View PostSyrian Army arrests militants responsible for downing Russian helicopter
By Chris Tomson -
22/03/2016
Moments ago, Navy Marines of the Syrian Arab Army managed to catch 4 highly wanted militants from the Free Syrian Army’s 1st Coastal Brigade in Latakia province – these four fighters are responsible for downing a Russian M-8 helicopter. The incident, which at the time caused the death of one Russian pilot and one Russian elite soldier, happened after Turkey downed a Russian jet on the November 20th, 2015.
Shortly after getting message of Turkey downing a Russian war plane, the Syrian Army and Russian Army launched a top-secret joint rescue mission which helped them recover one of two pilots who parachuted from his Russian Su-24 jet; the other was executed by Turkmen rebels affiliated with Jabhat al-Nusra (al-Qaeda group).
Footage of these FSA militants downing the M-8 helicopter with a TOW-missile: The four FSA fighters, whose names have not been made official yet, were captured by an elite SAA unit after they were preparing an offensive in the countryside of Lattakia province.
However, their plans were quickly halted and they now face being trialed in either Syria or Russia for terrorism-related crimes.
Remarkably, the four militants had themselves filmed while firing a heat-seeking-missile which destroyed a Russian M-8 helicopter and struck near the rescue unit. Thus, the trial while likely proceed easily. The picture below also implies that the men in the footage and the ones arrested are in fact one and the same:
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...an-helicopter/ | Al-Masdar News
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Originally posted by Haykakan View PostThat was very interesting indeed.
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They are both engaged in spy operations..........as they had in WWII. Both parties were racing to take German top secret engineering blue prints in all fields especially space technology and the Atom bomb.B0zkurt Hunter
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ISIS missile barrage smashes Furqlus Gas Plant in retaliation for Palmyra assault
By Chris Tomson -
25/03/2016
With preliminary reports suggesting government troops have captured some 50% of Palmyra city itself already, desperate ISIS commanders have demanded their fighters and artillery units to fire several long-range missiles at the Furqlus Gas Plant in eastern Homs. Consequently, the Furqlus Gas Plant has been heavily damaged and is out of work for now.
This piece of government-held energy infrastructure supplies Homs City and the Syrian capital of Damascus with gas through an extensive network of pipelines that run through and along the Qalamoun mountains on the border with Lebanon.
However, there are several other gas plants that are able to supply these cities – this means the residents of the aforementioned cities will not necessarily be stripped of their energy supply just yet.
While many soldiers of the Syrian Arab Army’s (SAA) 11th Division are stationed here alongside the National Defence Forces (NDF) of Homs, no casualties have yet been reported. Currently, heavy clashes are underway inside Palmyra’s southern and western districts while the ISIS-held city of Quraytayn was also entirely surrounded as of last week.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article...lmyra-assault/ | Al-Masdar News
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