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Re: Regional geopolitics
My dear, your points about "there is a reason why we group turky with the west. Turkey has the biggest army in the west(excluding USA), it is part of all western structures(nato, eu,..), it has tremendous influence in that region" demonstrates nothing;
Indeed, during all Cold War,Turkey was at best a third class member of the West, first being the US, second France & UK (A bomb holders, ex Empires with substantial influence overseas..), third including West Germany, Italy, Spain....
It was a small and obeying dog, who's interest were cared about, even at the expense of other "Western'' partners, of less value, like Greece & Cyprus.
But as you state, things have greatly changed since.
Nowday's Turkey is an ambitious and would be autonomous, if not independent player, threatening the state of interests of the "West", mainly in the ME & the Balkans.. it is incomparably more powerful, than the previous technological & economical insect it was in the 60-s... reason why, it is a major headake for the same "West" , primarily for the EU (i.e; Franco-Germany), but as well for the US.
Isn't it the US who revived the Kurdish nightmare out of the Blue??
On a more tangible and practical field, concerning our fate:
Isn't it the US (+ "EU") who managed to stop the russian plan of returning Artsakh to Baku in 2008-2009, under Medvedev run?
So things are not withe and Black.
And "West" definitely does not coincide to Turkey, and vice versa...
Yet again, the validity of "Russia standing against Turkey" is very questionable, for our actual period.
For the last decade, Russia & Turkey are more like dishonest partners, trying to play friends .... and ready to do good gestures (Russia selling our vital interests as a first step), than enemies...
If Armenia is important to Russia, let the Russians say and demonstrate it, first by not betraying our vital interests, every now and then...., at first occasion, since impunity is garanteed, thanks to "our Russophilia"...
The more ungrounded, blind Russophilia will prevail in Armenia, or among Armenians, the more Russia will treat us as the least valuable of its Mujiks. (i.e: No matter what they allow themselves to do, how bad they beat or sell us, it doesn't change anything, we will still 'love' them....)
Just let me remind the last Russians bastard behaviors, only from the period after the Genocide:
- Kemal /Lenin bargain, which costed us put aside our Statehood, Kars/Ardahan/Surmalu (a province never been under Turkish yoke before 1920)
- Dismembering of already Soviet Armenia from Nakhitchevan, Northern Artsakh and NKAO, plus Javakhk and Treghk for Georgia..
- Stalin demanding Kars/Ardahan/Surmalu not for Soviet Armenia, but for Soviet Georgia after WWII.
- Operation Koltzo in 1991.
- Occupation of Shahumian & Martakert in June 1992.
- Medvedev plan in 2008.....
- Selling of the S-300, largely undermining our offensive capabilities, at least on Baku, the only target valuable for their regime...
- The newest huge arm deals, of offensive weaponery....
It is not the West who arms Baku, it is Moskva first.....
All this does not mean, that the "West" is a perfect ally.
But at least, it might be as useful, as the perfectly untrusted Russia... who acts as anything, but a "Strategic partner"....
Originally posted by Haykakan
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Indeed, during all Cold War,Turkey was at best a third class member of the West, first being the US, second France & UK (A bomb holders, ex Empires with substantial influence overseas..), third including West Germany, Italy, Spain....
It was a small and obeying dog, who's interest were cared about, even at the expense of other "Western'' partners, of less value, like Greece & Cyprus.
But as you state, things have greatly changed since.
Nowday's Turkey is an ambitious and would be autonomous, if not independent player, threatening the state of interests of the "West", mainly in the ME & the Balkans.. it is incomparably more powerful, than the previous technological & economical insect it was in the 60-s... reason why, it is a major headake for the same "West" , primarily for the EU (i.e; Franco-Germany), but as well for the US.
Isn't it the US who revived the Kurdish nightmare out of the Blue??
On a more tangible and practical field, concerning our fate:
Isn't it the US (+ "EU") who managed to stop the russian plan of returning Artsakh to Baku in 2008-2009, under Medvedev run?
So things are not withe and Black.
And "West" definitely does not coincide to Turkey, and vice versa...
Yet again, the validity of "Russia standing against Turkey" is very questionable, for our actual period.
For the last decade, Russia & Turkey are more like dishonest partners, trying to play friends .... and ready to do good gestures (Russia selling our vital interests as a first step), than enemies...
If Armenia is important to Russia, let the Russians say and demonstrate it, first by not betraying our vital interests, every now and then...., at first occasion, since impunity is garanteed, thanks to "our Russophilia"...
The more ungrounded, blind Russophilia will prevail in Armenia, or among Armenians, the more Russia will treat us as the least valuable of its Mujiks. (i.e: No matter what they allow themselves to do, how bad they beat or sell us, it doesn't change anything, we will still 'love' them....)
Just let me remind the last Russians bastard behaviors, only from the period after the Genocide:
- Kemal /Lenin bargain, which costed us put aside our Statehood, Kars/Ardahan/Surmalu (a province never been under Turkish yoke before 1920)
- Dismembering of already Soviet Armenia from Nakhitchevan, Northern Artsakh and NKAO, plus Javakhk and Treghk for Georgia..
- Stalin demanding Kars/Ardahan/Surmalu not for Soviet Armenia, but for Soviet Georgia after WWII.
- Operation Koltzo in 1991.
- Occupation of Shahumian & Martakert in June 1992.
- Medvedev plan in 2008.....
- Selling of the S-300, largely undermining our offensive capabilities, at least on Baku, the only target valuable for their regime...
- The newest huge arm deals, of offensive weaponery....
It is not the West who arms Baku, it is Moskva first.....
All this does not mean, that the "West" is a perfect ally.
But at least, it might be as useful, as the perfectly untrusted Russia... who acts as anything, but a "Strategic partner"....
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