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  • Re: Regional geopolitics

    RELIGIOUS CLEANSING - BUT WHO CARES?

    NewsMaker, Australia
    July 14 2014

    Monday, July 14th, 2014 - Australian Christians

    Media Statement from Australian Christians:

    Songs of peace and love fill western churches as smoke rises from
    the rubble of eastern churches falling to jihadist ideologues. Iraq
    is experiencing an emptying out of its Christian communities that
    date back to the first centuries including Chaldean, Assyrian and
    Armenian churches.But who cares?

    Secular media seem unable or unwilling to grasp the religious cleansing
    we are witnessing. Rather than lament and advocate for those Eastern
    Christians and other minorities being religiously cleansed, there
    appears to be a devotion to avoiding vilification of Muslim minorities
    and in so doing, the plight of those being religiously cleansed from
    their homelands is often overlooked.

    While tongues are being silenced in western communities, Louis
    Sako appointed in 2013 as the new Patriarch of Baghdad, broke with
    the Church's long-standing convention that speaking out about the
    problems would only make them worse. He admonished his congregation
    with these words: "I know your fears," ... But you have been here
    for 2,000 years and are at the origin of this country, together with
    the Muslims. Why is the little flock still afraid? Do not emigrate,
    whatever the pressures." Continuing, Sako said to The Sunday Telegraph:

    "Christianity in the Middle East has always encouraged its people
    to rely on the protection of the law, not the tribe," "Right now,
    the law here in Iraq is very weak."

    And it seems apparent, that tribalism is gaining strength.

    Inadvertently perhaps we are supporting tribalism?

    Iraqi Christians are crying for help to strengthen Iraqi law and order
    in their beloved homeland. Opening up western borders to a flood of
    Iraqi refugees as 'the only solution' is at odds with the pleas of
    many Christian leaders across the Arab world urging them not to leave.

    But to stay they will need our help, not our abandonment.

    Sako said, unlike their Sunni, Shi'ite and Kurdish neighbors,
    Christians have no militias to protect them.

    An Erbil-based civil engineer put it this way: "When everything got
    violent, the Shiites received help from Iran, the Sunnis had the Gulf,
    and us? Well, we were left unprotected". Aziz Emmanuel al-Zebari,
    a Chaldean Catholic church official said: "In opening its doors
    (to refugees), the U.S. is weakening those who are left behind.

    Strengthening and supporting Iraqi Christians and all who support
    the law over tribalism should be the goal. Abandoning villages to be
    ransacked by ISIS as the Iraqi military recently did should not be
    the standard of those who support religious and civil liberty.

    The writing is on the wall. Prior to 2003 the Christian population
    of Mosul numbered 130,000. Until early June 2014, there were 10,000.

    After the ISIL took over the city last month, only 2,000 Christians
    remain.That's religious cleansing. As the Barnabas Fund reports:
    'atrocities by Islamic militants have been forcing Christians to flee
    their homes in Iraq for many years. Christians have been targeted
    with kidnappings and brutal killings to make it clear they are not
    welcome.'They have also been subjected to financial oppression with
    the reintroduction of the jizya - a tax on non-Muslims for living as
    second class citizens in the Islamic state.

    Iraq was once home to 135,000 xxxs. Today less than ten xxxs remain
    in the entire country. Lest we forget.

    Australian Christians seek to loose the tongue of the silent majority
    to support the persecuted minorities wherever they may be. There
    needs to be a shift from concern about Islamophobia to addressing the
    real fears resulting in the religious cleansing of Iraq's indigenous
    population.

    Hayastan or Bust.

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    • Re: Regional geopolitics

      US seeks to provoke conflict with Russia – philosopher

      Press TV has conducted an interview with James Fetzer, American philosopher from Madison, about Russia warning Ukraine of “irreversible consequences” after a cross-border shell fired from Ukraine hit a residential area in Russia, killing a man and injuring two others.

      Press TV: Your take on this. Do you think that Ukraine wants to escalate the tension between itself and Moscow?

      Fetzer: As a former Marine Corps officer I would observe that they are taking extremely aggressive action against the rebels. It would not surprise me if someone of level of Zbigniew Brzezinski were advising them. This is intended to provoke Russia into a military response which may yet come to pass.

      As a philosopher I must observe that the silence of the United States about the immorality of these actions is completely stunning. Here we have atrocities taking place. The Israelis are committing genocide in Gaza but the United States is mute because Israel is our ally. We have Ukraine committing genocide in Ukraine but the United States stands mute because Russia is now apparently our new enemy. The situation is a complete disgrace and America has lost any semblance of moral authority in the world.

      Press TV: In one minute if you could tell me, do you think then that if you are saying that they are trying to escalate this situation, is it that the United States wants to have a military confrontation with Russia?

      Fetzer: It does appear that the forces behind this which include the American military and NATO is dedicated to provoking a conflict with Russia which I must observe it is not very likely to win.

      The Russians have very sophisticated equipment but ultimately if there is a nuclear exchange between these world powers we are all the losers, a nuclear winter will threaten to envelope earth and extinguish life on this planet.

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      • Re: Regional geopolitics

        New USA reps for the region.
        Hayastan or Bust.

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        • Re: Regional geopolitics

          A Malaysia Airlines jet crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, prompting swift accusations from Ukrainian officials that “terrorists” shot down the plane.


          Civilian plane with 280 people on board, shot by missile, in Ukraina, at 10.000 m hight.

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          • Re: Regional geopolitics

            Hmm new reps and a day later a plain is shot down...anyone else thinking this is more then just a coinsidense?
            Hayastan or Bust.

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            • Re: Regional geopolitics

              Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
              RFE/RL: Why would you be willing to die for a foreign country?

              Gasparyan: I don't consider Russia a foreign country. I have the mentality of a Soviet person. My grandfathers fought for the Soviet Union and I am fighting for it. I don't consider Russia a foreign country.


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              EEEEEEESH NAHADAG
              There are many Armenians who would agree with him. Russia has been seen for a long time as Armenia's main supporter against aggression, in spite of being unreliable sometimes

              In spite of the anti-Armenian position under Gorbachev and on occasions in 1991 and 1992, Armenian forces were only able to take territory back with Russian weapons

              NATO and the EU have not given Armenia a single bullet to defend herself!

              There is Armenian slave mentality, but that started 600 years ago and it will not disappear in a few years. Armenia and Russia still share many common interests. NATO wants to use Armenia as a base for its anti-Russian (and anti-Iranian) projects, after supporting Turkish/Azerbaijani blockades, after supporting Saakashvili's anti-Armenian campaigns etc etc. Most Armenians can see this

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              • Re: Regional geopolitics

                Originally posted by lampron View Post
                There are many Armenians who would agree with him. Russia has been seen for a long time as Armenia's main supporter against aggression, in spite of being unreliable sometimes

                In spite of the anti-Armenian position under Gorbachev and on occasions in 1991 and 1992, Armenian forces were only able to take territory back with Russian weapons

                NATO and the EU have not given Armenia a single bullet to defend herself!

                There is Armenian slave mentality, but that started 600 years ago and it will not disappear in a few years. Armenia and Russia still share many common interests. NATO wants to use Armenia as a base for its anti-Russian (and anti-Iranian) projects, after supporting Turkish/Azerbaijani blockades, after supporting Saakashvili's anti-Armenian campaigns etc etc. Most Armenians can see this
                Any Armenian, volontering to a fight, where Armenia`s, or Armenian (ref to ME Armenian communities, ..) vital interests are not engaged, is at least an Esh Nahadag.
                In my opinion, the qualification must be: TRAITOR.
                Every one of our lives, is so precious, that we can`t afford to waste a single one, no matter what cause it might be.
                If there are so keen to fight, let them join our army.

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                • Re: Regional geopolitics

                  Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                  http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

                  Civilian plane with 280 people on board, shot by missile, in Ukraina, at 10.000 m hight.
                  It is just crazy, that knowing for at least the last 15 days, that Antonov planes flying over 5000 m high are being shut in Eastern Ukraina, by ground based missiles, commercial companies still dare to fly on a war zone.
                  Just crazy.
                  And this is not Burundi, or Mozambik.
                  It is Russia and Ukraina, the very place where hundreds of anti air missiles were conceived, and mass produced.
                  Where virtually any more or less serious arms dealer, may propose stockpiles of missiles, to any hot war zone of the globe....
                  Plus, news was arround, that last week the rebels did capture a SAM base of the ukrainski army, armed by BUK missiles....

                  Just crazy.

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                  Now, just a reminder, of our own erroneous shot:


                  In that episode, lets note two major differences:
                  1/- the iranian plane was out of its planned path, in a war zone, with a no fly space.
                  2/- it flew much lower, during a period where enemy planes were air bombing Stepanakert, and not far from the very capital of a country in war.

                  We may also recall, the level of sympathy our southern neighbor had, since the victims of that tragedy were the families of the diplomatic elite of theirs...

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                  • Re: Regional geopolitics

                    To avoid a new lectzia about supposed russian help during first Arzakh war:

                    Please, do listen to Vova Vartanov, the founder of the first Armenian razvetka ( in my wild guess, slightly better informed than the best armchair generals of this forum, not mentionig some Russakan capitulationist wise guys preaching abandon of `ampty` lands.....):



                    To spare your precious time, go to 8:00- 10:30

                    His words, that I can only share:
                    - Mer Yeghpayr russner ( our russian `brothers`): ironic tone....
                    - Inknakhapeyoutioun (self deception??, self lying??)
                    - Kuyr (blind)
                    - Himari meg (stupid individual)

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                    • Re: Regional geopolitics

                      Originally posted by lampron View Post
                      There are many Armenians who would agree with him. Russia has been seen for a long time as Armenia's main supporter against aggression, in spite of being unreliable sometimes

                      In spite of the anti-Armenian position under Gorbachev and on occasions in 1991 and 1992, Armenian forces were only able to take territory back with Russian weapons

                      NATO and the EU have not given Armenia a single bullet to defend herself!

                      There is Armenian slave mentality, but that started 600 years ago and it will not disappear in a few years. Armenia and Russia still share many common interests. NATO wants to use Armenia as a base for its anti-Russian (and anti-Iranian) projects, after supporting Turkish/Azerbaijani blockades, after supporting Saakashvili's anti-Armenian campaigns etc etc. Most Armenians can see this
                      Concerning supply of russian arms during the first war.
                      Reality is far, far from your perception....
                      It is much more `glamorous` than what many can imagine.
                      May be some day, in a couple of decades, someone will make a movie of those episodes, where you might have found foolish dedication from our part (sometimes guys with very doubtful past), corruption (the russian local commanders, in Kavkaz, or in far away garrisons of Sibir), romance.....
                      Short: Romantika.

                      The direct state level supplies were too late, too small, compared to what the same state was offering our enemy, to deserve any gratitude.
                      Just ask any informed Armenian, not engaged in politics or `biznes` ( blackmailable)....

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