Regional geopolitics

[Haykakan]

Re: Regional geopolitics

A DISTORTED MEDIA MIRROR

Mirror Spactator
Editorial 8-23

By Edmond Y. Azadian

When Armenian attained independence, many Diasporan-Armenian
organizations and experienced journalists moved to Yerevan to
"liberate" the bland Soviet-style news media and restore its
original mission. The newspapers, radio and TV broadcasting
improved dramatically, in terms of formatting design, news gathering,
reporting and above all, commenting freely. This much was a patriotic
contribution, which Diaspora Armenians brought to Armenia.

But in a parallel rush, major powers introduced their own outlets, of
course, to serve their own political interests. While the newspapers
owned and operated by Armenian organizations have encountered funding
challenges -- consequently suffering in quality -- foreign-funded
news outlets flourish and are run professionally.

George Orwell's Big Brother is omnipresent globally, tending its
business and has not spared Armenia.

Open Society Foundation, Radio Liberty and other agencies operate
freely in Armenia and common sense will dictate that they don't care
about the well being of the Armenian people nor the problems facing
Armenia. They have recruited professional journalists, writers and
commentators to toot their own horn.

For example, the Open Society Forum could feign to promote democracy
in Europe and in Third World countries but in the end, it serves a
greater political design.

The Open Society Forum is the brainchild of billionaire George Soros,
who escaped tyranny in Hungary and made a fortune in the US. During
the Bush-Cheney Administration, he demonstrably confronted the US
administration in its foreign policy objectives. But in the meantime,
his organization trained some youth and sent them to Ukraine and
Georgia -- and certainly to other parts of the world -- to organize
the Orange Revolution and the Rose Revolution, a feat that the US
military power could not have achieved so easily.

Mr. Soros is entitled to use his money to spread his ideas around
the world but he is not entitled to play with the destiny of the
Armenian people who have suffered so much from major power rivalries,
in their history.

The writers and commentators of these agencies may be sitting in
Yerevan and Karabagh, but the brain may be on the remote control in
Prague or in Washington.

The controlled news media does not operate in isolation -- and no
matter what lofty ideal it claims to pursue -- it is part and parcel
of the overall strategy of a major power.

We can easily make the connection with all the well-oiled religious
sects, which penetrate like rodents in the fabric of the society in
Armenia to decimate and to disorient the population. One treacherous
act is to brainwash the youth to refuse to bear arms under the guise
of conscientious objection, when Armenia is at war with its neighbors
-- not of its own choosing.

To cite a salient example, trading Armenia's security against NATO's
objectives in the Caucasus we may refer to an article in lragir.am,
an outlet funded by Open Society Forum. The article is entitled
"Serious Geopolitical Prospect for Javakhk," under the byline of
Hakob Badalyan, a prominent political commentator.

Javakhk is an Armenian-populated region of Georgia. Historically
it has changed hands between Georgia and Armenia. Currently more
than half of the region is populated by Armenians; in cities like
Akhatsikhe and Ninotsminda, Armenians account for 94.3 percent and 95.8
percent, respectively. The region was deliberately mismanaged and left
economically depressed by Tbilisi authorities to force Armenians out
of the area, fearful that Armenians would one day ask for autonomy
or independence.

Until 2007, the city of Akhalkalak was home to a Russian military base,
which provided jobs and security for Armenians in the region.

Moscow precipitously moved out the base, before even its deadline in
the treaty, leaving the Armenians to the mercy of the hostile Georgian
government. Tbilisi's harassment and Russia's reckless move satisfied,
to a certain measure, the Georgian goal of the government, as many
destitute Armenians migrated to Russia for jobs and for security.

Russia went to war with Georgia to give independence to South Ossetia
and Abkhazia while the destinies of Javakhk and Ajaria were left in
the hands of the Tbilisi government. President Saakashvili jailed
human rights activist Vahakn Chakhalian and implemented policies to
force the people out or to assimilate them under the guise of teaching
them the Georgian language.

Despite a punishing war with Russia and despite a regime change,
the new government in Tbilisi is looking for NATO presence on its
territory, if not outright membership.

Armenians have enjoyed the "benefits" of having a NATO member in the
Turkish border and now this writer is hailing a NATO move into the
heartland of Armenians in Javakhk, as he writes: "NATO may empower
itself with new tools of cooperation with non-member countries like
Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova. And it may mean that the North Atlantic
Alliance will receive a possibility or prospect for being present
in Georgia, though the latter is not a member. In this respect,
Georgian military base in Akhalkalak has strategic importance because
it is close to the Russian base in Armenia, is located in a place
where Russian provocation against Georgia are probable, close to
the conflict area of Artsakh which is one of the potential places of
destabilization of the region."

First NATO's interference on the Southern Russian underbelly is the
most flagrant provocation, and also, the writer should know better
that even Washington blamed Saakashvili for the provocation, which
triggered the 2008 war.

In a shortsighted conclusion, the writer jubilantly welcomes NATO's
extension in the region as a "stabilizing factor," exactly at the
moment when the defense ministers of Georgia, Azerbaijan and Turkey
had been meeting in Nakhichevan to plan war games and tighten the
noose around Armenia at NATO's behest.

The conclusion is more ludicrous than the article itself as it states,
"It would be interesting to observe the reactions of Russia, Javakhk
and Armenia to the Georgian military base, who will torpedo the process
full of prospects for regional balance for the sake of security of
Armenia, Artsakh and Javakhk and what the force will be."

This concept fits in and complements the recent proposal by Ambassador
James Warlick to introduce US Peacekeeping forces in Karabagh.

Adding insult to injury, the Open Society Forum has a hypocritical
disclaimed at the bottom of the article, which reads, "The opinions
and analyses expressed in these sections are those of the authors
and are not approved by OSF-Armenia or its Board."

When Open Society Forum cuts the payroll check of the writer, at
least it is disingenuous to make such claims.

Hagop Badalian is a better-qualified writer. He deserves a more
dignified job than peddling NATO wares in Armenia through a distorted
media mirror.

[Hakob]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Well why do you think that every time there is an event in Russo Armenian political scene, lragir with participation of Mouradian, Badalian or Hayrumian, publishes a series of sensational articles like "genocide of Armenians in Artsakh by Russians", "betrayal or selling of Artsakh by Russians", " occupation of Armenia by Russians", etc, etc. in those an issue that is chosen and advertised, propagandized, twisted and blown out of reality and spread, in the hopes of creating public hatred for Russia just like they did in Ukraine.
One of the forms of treason , in my opinion is serving somebody else and advancing agendas that mislead us and take away attention from most important issues, confuse national priorities.
That is an intellectual sabotage.

[londontsi]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Four of these shut by Russian watchdog ... woof woof

[Hakob]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Four of these shut by Russian watchdog ... woof woof

This was shot in 1992 or 93, when 1st McDonalds opened in Moscow, 1st in territory of former USSR. Everybody wanted to taste it to see themselves what the western fast food was like. First few weeks the line was kilometers long. look at the cars, all soviet tachkas. Not a single foreign car. Also, soviet stile clothing on everyone.

[Hakob]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Read this article very carefully, and think of for whom are some of our opposition beating their chest and screaming human rights. Whom are they calling to have slave mentality and who are going to be the real slaves in the future, if they succeed in their plans.
Severing 200 year relationship, true good and bad sometimes, is a clear prospect which we can imagine and achieve. But what new relationship that we need to survive, most importantly with whom is more important question that needs answers.
Instead of politicizing, mixing and using historic events in a polarized context, we should examine who is who truly and who is filling our ears with BS, while the most important things out there are covered up. This all is very existential for us. Not just a matter of a truth.



12:30 21/08/2014 » ANALYSIS
Kosovo and Ukraine: Compare and contrast

By Neil Clark
From RT

There have been at least two countries in Europe in recent history that undertook ‘anti-terrorist’ military operations against ‘separatists’, but got two very different reactions from the Western elite.

The government of European country A launches what it calls an ‘anti-terrorist’ military operation against ‘separatists’ in one part of the country. We see pictures on Western television of people’s homes being shelled and lots of people fleeing. The US and UK and other NATO powers fiercely condemn the actions of the government of country A and accuse it of carrying out ‘genocide’ and ’ethnic cleansing’ and say that there is an urgent ‘humanitarian crisis.’ Western politicians and establishment journalists tell us that ‘something must be done.’ And something is done: NATO launches a ‘humanitarian’ military intervention to stop the government of country A. Country A is bombed for 78 days and nights. The country’s leader (who is labeled ‘The New Hitler’) is indicted for war crimes – and is later arrested and sent in an RAF plane to stand trial for war crimes at The Hague, where he dies, un-convicted, in his prison cell.

The government of European country B launches what it calls an ‘anti-terrorist’ military operation against ‘separatists’ in one part of the country. Western television doesn’t show pictures or at least not many) of people’s homes being shelled and people fleeing, although other television stations do. But here the US, UK and other NATO powers do not condemn the government, or accuse it of committing ‘genocide’ or ‘ethnic cleansing.’ Western politicians and establishment journalists do not tell us that ‘something must be done’ to stop the government of country B killing people. On the contrary, the same powers who supported action against country A, support the military offensive of the government in country B. The leader of country B is not indicted for war crimes, nor is he labeled ‘The New Hitler’ despite the support the government has got from far-right, extreme nationalist groups, but in fact, receives generous amounts of aid.

Anyone defending the policies of the government in country A, or in any way challenging the dominant narrative in the West is labeled a “genocide denier” or an “apologist for mass murder.” But no such opprobrium awaits those defending the military offensive of the government in country B. It’s those who oppose its policies who are smeared.

What makes the double standards even worse, is that by any objective assessment, the behavior of the government in country B, has been far worse than that of country A and that more human suffering has been caused by their aggressive actions.

In case you haven’t guessed it yet – country A is Yugoslavia, country B is Ukraine.

Yugoslavia, a different case

In 1998/9 Yugoslavian authorities were faced with a campaign of violence against Yugoslav state officials by the pro-separatist and Western-backed Kosovan Liberation Army (KLA). The Yugoslav government responded by trying to defeat the KLA militarily, but their claims to be fighting against ’terrorism’ were haughtily dismissed by Western leaders. As the British Defence Secretary George Robertson and Foreign Secretary Robin Cook acknowledged in the period from 1998 to January 1999, the KLA had been responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been.

In the lead-up to the NATO action and during it, lurid claims were made about the numbers of people who had been killed or ‘disappeared’ by the Yugoslav forces. “Hysterical NATO and KLA estimates of the missing and presumably slaughtered Kosovan Albanians at times ran upwards of one hundred thousand, reaching 500, 000 in one State Department release. German officials leaked ‘intelligence’ about an alleged Serb plan called Operation Horseshoe to depopulate the province of its ethnic Albanians, and to resettle it with Serbs, which turned out to be an intelligence fabrication,” Edward Herman and David Peterson noted in their book The Politics of Genocide.

“We must act to save thousands of innocent men, women and children from humanitarian catastrophe – from death, barbarism and ethnic cleansing from a brutal dictatorship,” a solemn-faced Prime Minister Tony Blair told the British Parliament - just four years before an equally sombre Tony Blair told the British Parliament that we must act over the ‘threat’ posed by Saddam Hussein’s WMDs.

Taking their cue from Tony Blair and Co., the media played their part in hyping up what was going on in Kosovo. Herman and Peterson found that newspapers used the word ‘genocide’ to describe Yugoslav actions in Kosovo 323 times compared to just 13 times for the invasion/occupation of Iraq despite the death toll in the latter surpassing that of Kosovo by 250 times.

In the same way we were expected to forget about the claims from Western politicians and their media marionettes about Iraq possessing WMDs in the lead-up to the 2003 invasion, we are now expected to forget about the outlandish claims made about Kosovo in 1999.

But as the award winning investigative journalist and broadcaster John Pilger wrote in his article Reminders of Kosovo in 2004, “Lies as great as those told by Bush and Blair were deployed by Clinton and Blair in grooming of public opinion for an illegal, unprovoked attack on a European country.”

The overall death toll of the Kosovo conflict is thought to be between 3,000 and 4,000, but that figure includes Yugoslav army casualties, and Serbs and Roma and Kosovan Albanians killed by the KLA. In 2013, the International Committee of the Red Cross listed the names of 1,754 people from all communities in Kosovo who were reported missing by their families.

The number of people killed by Yugoslav military at the time NATO launched its ‘humanitarian’ bombing campaign, which itself killed between 400-600 people, is thought to be around 500, a tragic death toll but hardly “genocide.”

“Like Iraq’s fabled weapons of mass destruction, the figures used by the US and British governments and echoed by journalists were inventions- along with Serbian ‘rape camps’ and Clinton and Blair’s claims that NATO never deliberately bombed civilians,” says Pilger.

No matter what happens in Ukraine...

In Ukraine by contrast, the number of people killed by government forces and those supporting them has been deliberately played down, despite UN figures highlighting the terrible human cost of the Ukrainian government’s ‘anti-terrorist’ operation.

Last week, the UN’s Human Rights Office said that the death toll in the conflict in eastern Ukraine had doubled in the previous fortnight. Saying that they were “very conservative estimates,” the UN stated that 2,086 people (from all sides) had been killed and 5,000 injured. Regarding refugees, the UN says that around 1,000 people have been leaving the combat zone every day and that over 100,000 people have fled the region. Yet despite these very high figures, there have been no calls from leading Western politicians for ‘urgent action’ to stop the Ukrainian government’s military offensive. Articles from faux-left ‘humanitarian interventionists’ saying that ‘something must be done’ to end what is a clearly a genuine humanitarian crisis, have been noticeable by their absence.

There is, it seems, no “responsibility to protect” civilians being killed by government forces in the east of Ukraine, as there was in Kosovo, even though the situation in Ukraine, from a humanitarian angle, is worse than that in Kosovo in March 1999.

To add insult to injury, efforts have been made to prevent a Russian humanitarian aid convoy from entering Ukraine.

The convoy we are told is ‘controversial’ and could be part of a sinister plot by Russia to invade. This from the same people who supported a NATO bombing campaign on a sovereign state for “humanitarian” reasons fifteen years ago!

For these Western ‘humanitarians’ who cheer on the actions of the Ukrainian government, the citizens of eastern Ukraine are “non-people”: not only are they unworthy of our support or compassion, or indeed aid convoys, they are also blamed for their own predicament.

There are, of course, other conflicts which also highlight Western double standards towards ‘humanitarian intervention’. Israeli forces have killed over 2,000 Palestinians in their latest ruthless ‘anti-terrorist’ operation in Gaza, which is far more people than Yugoslav forces had killed in Kosovo by the time of the 1999 NATO ‘intervention’. But there are no calls at this time for a NATO bombing campaign against Israel.

In fact, neocons and faux-left Zionists who have defended and supported Israel’s “anti-terrorist” Operation Protective Edge, and Operation Cast Lead before it, were among the most enthusiastic supporters of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Israel it seems is allowed to kill large numbers of people, including women and children, in its “anti-terrorist” campaigns, but Yugoslavia had no such “right” to fight an “anti-terrorist” campaign on its own soil.

In 2011, NATO went to war against Libya to prevent a “hypothetical” massacre in Benghazi, and to stop Gaddafi ‘killing his own people’; in 2014 Ukrainian government forces are killing their own people in large numbers, and there have been actual massacres like the appalling Odessa arson attack carried out by pro-government ‘radicals’, but the West hasn’t launched bombing raids on Kiev in response.

The very different approaches from the Western elite to ‘anti-terrorist’ operations in Kosovo and Ukraine (and indeed elsewhere) shows us that what matters most is not the numbers killed, or the amount of human suffering involved, but whether or not the government in question helps or hinders Western economic and military hegemonic aspirations.

In the eyes of the rapacious Western elites, the great ‘crime’ of the Yugoslav government in 1999 was that it was still operating, ten years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, an unreconstructed socialist economy, with very high levels of social ownership - as I highlighted here.

Yugoslavia under Milosevic was a country which maintained its financial and military independence. It had no wishes to join the EU or NATO, or surrender its sovereignty to anyone. For that refusal to play by the rules of the globalists and to show deference to the powerful Western financial elites, the country (and its leader) had to be destroyed. In the words of George Kenney, former Yugoslavia desk officer at the US State Department: “In post-cold war Europe no place remained for a large, independent-minded socialist state that resisted globalization.”

By contrast, the government of Ukraine, has been put in power by the West precisely in order to further its economic and military hegemonic aspirations. Poroshenko, unlike the much- demonized Milosevic, is an oligarch acting in the interests of Wall Street, the big banks and the Western military-industrial complex. He’s there to tie up Ukraine to IMF austerity programs, to hand over his country to Western capital and to lock Ukraine into ‘Euro-Atlantic’ structures- in other words to transform it into an EU/IMF/NATO colony- right on Russia’s doorstep.

This explains why an ‘anti-terrorist’ campaign waged by the Yugoslav government against ‘separatists’ in 1999 is ‘rewarded’ with fierce condemnation, a 78-day bombing campaign, and the indictment of its leader for war crimes, while a government waging an ‘anti-terrorist’ campaign against ‘separatists’ in Ukraine in 2014, is given carte blanche to carry on killing. In the end, it’s not about how many innocent people you kill, or how reprehensible your actions are, but about whose interests you serve.

Source: Panorama.am

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Read this article very carefully, and think of for whom are some of our opposition beating their chest and screaming human rights. Whom are they calling to have slave mentality and who are going to be the real slaves in the future, if they succeed in their plans.
Severing 200 year relationship, true good and bad sometimes, is a clear prospect which we can imagine and achieve. But what new relationship that we need to survive, most importantly with whom is more important question that needs answers.
Instead of politicizing, mixing and using historic events in a polarized context, we should examine who is who truly and who is filling our ears with BS, while the most important things out there are covered up. This all is very existential for us. Not just a matter of a truth.

Source: Panorama.am

My Dear,
There is nothing new or interesting to read about carefully in your post.
All it says is evident, well known facts, called sometimes 'realpolitik'......, sometimes HR, or other BS.
Every country or empire has its interests, since days of Rome, and it is just normal.
The only question, is to accept the responsability to have OUR interests, and not some of a crumbling empire...., that in itself supposes the need to keep DECISION MAKING CAPACITY, usually called INDEPENDANCE.
Your latest posts smell more and more russian cheap, blind propaganda.
In both your cases, A and B, what I retain is:
A: the Albanians managed to create a small empire, out of the blue, thanks to the US, grabbing Kossovo and most of Macedonia. I think you will hardly find an Albanian regretting Yougoslavia...
B: 6 months back, the notion of Ukraina was questionable, no clear boundaries, slaves of russia??, russoid??, nation?? boundaries??....... today, for a Western Uniat Ukrainian nationalist, the result might be considered a wonderful success: they managed to create a huge and monolitic state out of the gray inceratainty, loosing only Khrim, someting they never had anyway.
In case B, what really must worry you, is the behaviour of Russia, historically famous backstabber and professional betrayer, who does exactly same thing with his own people NOWDAYS, on his OWN soil.
You would like us to trust blindly, covering all facts in name of a 200 year 'bad and less bad', an Empire who inflames his OWN people to take arms, and then abandons in all daylight.....
You might need to ask Russian partisans of Slaviansk, how proud they do feel being Russian.


I will not waste more of your time, just reed well, and try to not forget:

"7. Վերջին շրջանում հայկական մեդիայում և քննարկումների դաշտում ավելի է ակտիվացել հանրությանը դեպի այս կամ այն գերտերությանը կողմնորոշելու վտանգավոր միտումը: Ժամանակին հայկական հանրությունը հասկանալի պատճառներով ավելի շատ ռուսամետ էր, հիմա այդ իրավիճակը փոխվում է: Սակայն փոխվում է ավելի վտանգավոր ուղղությամբ. փոխանակ ազգային կողմնորոշում ստանալու, հստակ ուղեգիծն ավելի է սրվում: Հանրության մեջ արհեստականորեն բարձրացվում է արևմտամետության և ռուսամետության խնդիր: Տարաբնույթ քննարկումներով հանրությունը կիսվել է երկու բանակի՝ դրանով ավելի մեծ հարված հասցնելով ազգային գաղափարախոսությանը և մտածելակերպին: Մարդիկ, անվերջ քննարկելով արևմուտքի կամ ռուսական կողմի առավելությունը, եւ բացատրում, թե դա իբր անում են հայկական շահերի համար, սակայն անտեսում են, որ այդ կույր բանավեճերում ազգայինը հետզհետե դառնում է երկրորդական և ստորադասվում է տվյալ գերտերությանը: Մեզ համար ցանկացած նման պետություն գրեթե ոչ մի առավելություն չունի մյուսի հանդեպ, քանի որ նրանք բոլորն էլ իրենց շահերն ունեն, տվյալ դեպքում զգացմունքային մոտեցումները չափազանց վտանգավոր են, և անկախության սերնդի հզորացման հետ մեկտեղ նման թեմաների շահարկումը միայն ու միայն վտանգում է մեր ազգային արժեքները:"

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/19874-Military-Forces-of-the-Republic-of-Armenia/page39?p=353010&viewfull=1#post353010

[Haykakan]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Great comparison there Hakob! Do not pay any attention to Lragir, i mean Muradyan, i mean Vrej1915...you know well what he is. He wants us to believe that we would be better off being an Iraq or a Libya rather then a victor in the war with Azeris. What a poor looser this guy is betraying his country yet daring to talk of national interest. Vrej why dont you go to America and shoot some unarmed black people, or some unarmed american indians, or some mexican immigrants...that way you could really fit in and feel good about yourself and get a lot of your hostility out. How can anyone look at the xxxx the USA has been doing and say oh yeh thats what i want is just beyond comprehension. Horrible inequality, racism, class immobility, completely controlled media, fascist state, complete utter corruption, no individual rights, being spied on 24/7, work till you die of exhaustion, forget retirement, forget social security, forget living...yeh that is so much better. If that is so much better then Mr Vrej how about you move to USA and stay there ... we dont want to be another colony. You are dumb enough to think that by siding with the west it will somehow let Armenia persue its own interests...my god what in hells name gives you such idea? Hell even a powerful country like Germany is being strongarmed to act against its own national interests by the USA yet you dare to have hope of sovreignty despite such glaring evidence to the contrary. It is quite simple Vrej you are either an idiot or a spy or perhaps even both.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Great comparison there Hakob! Do not pay any attention to Lragir, i mean Muradyan, i mean Vrej1915...you know well what he is. He wants us to believe that we would be better off being an Iraq or a Libya rather then a victor in the war with Azeris. What a poor looser this guy is betraying his country yet daring to talk of national interest. Vrej why dont you go to America and shoot some unarmed black people, or some unarmed american indians, or some mexican immigrants...that way you could really fit in and feel good about yourself and get a lot of your hostility out. How can anyone look at the xxxx the USA has been doing and say oh yeh thats what i want is just beyond comprehension. Horrible inequality, racism, class immobility, completely controlled media, fascist state, complete utter corruption, no individual rights, being spied on 24/7, work till you die of exhaustion, forget retirement, forget social security, forget living...yeh that is so much better. If that is so much better then Mr Vrej how about you move to USA and stay there ... we dont want to be another colony. You are dumb enough to think that by siding with the west it will somehow let Armenia persue its own interests...my god what in hells name gives you such idea? Hell even a powerful country like Germany is being strongarmed to act against its own national interests by the USA yet you dare to have hope of sovreignty despite such glaring evidence to the contrary. It is quite simple Vrej you are either an idiot or a spy or perhaps even both.

My Dear MELS, I must admit one point: YOU STILL MANAGE TO AMAZE ME BY THE NEW LEVELS OF YOUR MIND BRIGHT

Now, more seriously, as I always advocate for: stick to the content, even if in your posts it is hard to find any:

The answer to your question, Why?: SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY IN AMERICA!!!!!

[Hakob]

Re: Regional geopolitics

[QUOTE=Vrej1915;353049]My Dear,
There is nothing new or interesting to read about carefully in your post.
All it says is evident, well known facts, called sometimes 'realpolitik'......, sometimes HR, or other BS.
Every country or empire has its interests, since days of Rome, and it is just normal.
The only question, is to accept the responsability to have OUR interests, and not some of a crumbling empire...., that in itself supposes the need to keep DECISION MAKING CAPACITY, usually called INDEPENDANCE.
Your latest posts smell more and more russian cheap, blind propaganda.
In both your cases, A and B, what I retain is:


Vrej... My dear...(honestly).
So all the above that I posted is well known facts but does not interest You? Or you are discomfortable from the reality that "well known, evident fact" is financing the publication and range of commentators that you keep posting indiscriminately, and which I am highlighting?
You contradict yourself when you call for decision making capacity or independence but call my "well known, realpolitic" facts post a cheap russian propaganda.
If it's well known fact, unlike what you post from Lragir, then where is the propaganda??? Where, in your unceasing one sided propaganda do you clime to represent "OUR" interests? Seriously. When I say that "Lragir" is a paid for publication that does not represent "OUR Interests", but the interests of a global imperialist power, do I offend you? I never equate your intentions with Lragirs, but I see you as an individual that has more hatred for russians than anything else. Take it as a compliment if you want, but I see it more of a vulnerability.



A: the Albanians managed to create a small empire, out of the blue, thanks to the US, grabbing Kossovo and most of Macedonia. I think you will hardly find an Albanian regretting Yougoslavia...



So does ISIS and all the various terrorist groups that have become main players thanks to US help in destroying legitimate countries and creating big vacuums.
So do all the extremists who massacre minorities indiscriminately, cutting even the heads of 10-12 year olds.
So does the religious fundamentalism and so do the zionists when bombing palestinian schools and hospitals.
So will the coming islamic state that is going to stretch from arabian peninsula to north caucasus.
Us and allies have brought the world into a chaos.
Is this a russian propaganda or truth? Did it or does it have any consequence on us?(Syria). Or blame everything on Putin and russia? Is all this in "OUR INTEREST"?
I wanna know, how?
You will hardly find any extremist, terrorist, racist or zionist complaining about US policies.


B: 6 months back, the notion of Ukraina was questionable, no clear boundaries, slaves of russia??, russoid??, nation?? boundaries??....... today, for a Western Uniat Ukrainian nationalist, the result might be considered a wonderful success: they managed to create a huge and monolitic state out of the gray inceratainty, loosing only Khrim, someting they never had anyway.
In case B, what really must worry you, is the behavior of Russia, historically famous backstabber and professional betrayer, who does exactly same thing with his own people NOWDAYS, on his OWN soil.

Six months back, Ukraine had a lawfully elected president that wanted to bring the country closer to europe while keeping it's lifeline with russia. Keep the eastern industrial strength that is tied to russia but wile protecting from global destructive competition, make Ukraine an industrial powerhouse that is a connecting link between east and west and benefits equally from both markets. That president rejected Europe's ultimatum of "either sign or else", seeing what the future would be and was deposed in a western sponsored putsch. How would you call this meddling of foreign powers in a countries' internal affairs "INDEPENDENCE" I don't know. This destruction of eastern industrial cities and civyl war an Ukrainian interest?
It is not very important that you advocate for us to sever ties with russia. But it is very alarming that you think what is happening now in Ukraine and elsewhere as "INDEPENDENCE" and are trying to package it for our consumption.
Somebody that calls others slave minded has to see his own enslaved blindness to whats happening.
How can you equate Ukraine, that multicultural hub to the interests of western uniat ukrainian nationalism with democracy, I don't know. Maybe you should ask yourself then explain for us to understand.
What troubles me is the fact that you speak approvingly of a racist movement that in second world war killed over 22000 Armenians in Lvov area( I am not counting many tens of thousands of our soldiers killed in cleaning Ukraine in ww2 of that filth). You say that nationalists have created a huge and monolithic state. So you justify ethnic cleansing of russians in Donbass.
This is from somebody that is a member of a nation that saw a genocide... So all your talk about democracy, justice etc.. has been an empty propaganda...
So much for russian haters and russian slaves...
Am I spreading russian propaganda now?

Don't trust me. Read, watch and think... Don't lie. "The truth shall set you free
"

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

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My Dear,
There is nothing new or interesting to read about carefully in your post.
All it says is evident, well known facts, called sometimes 'realpolitik'......, sometimes HR, or other BS.
Every country or empire has its interests, since days of Rome, and it is just normal.
The only question, is to accept the responsability to have OUR interests, and not some of a crumbling empire...., that in itself supposes the need to keep DECISION MAKING CAPACITY, usually called INDEPENDANCE.
Your latest posts smell more and more russian cheap, blind propaganda.
In both your cases, A and B, what I retain is:


[COLOR="#008000"] Vrej... My dear...(honestly).
So all the above that I posted is well known facts but does not interest You? Or you are discomfortable from the reality that "well known, evident fact" is financing the publication and range of commentators that you keep posting indiscriminately, and which I am highlighting?
You contradict yourself when you call for decision making capacity or independence but call my "well known, realpolitic" facts post a cheap russian propaganda.
If it's well known fact, unlike what you post from Lragir, then where is the propaganda??? Where, in your unceasing one sided propaganda do you clime to represent "OUR" interests? Seriously. When I say that "Lragir" is a paid for publication that does not represent "OUR Interests", but the interests of a global imperialist power, do I offend you? I never equate your intentions with Lragirs, but I see you as an individual that has more hatred for russians than anything else. Take it as a compliment if you want, but I see it more of a vulnerability.

My Dear (honestly too ),
It`s not a question of whether it interests me or not.
The point is, that the given arguments are made on MORAL grounds.
A notion that has no place in real life geopolitics, never in the past, neither today, nor in the futur .
If you regret that point, that is your perfect right.
Anyway it does not change anything.

1/ If the point that disturbs you is the contender, we already did discuss the question.
I do not see the need to return on that.
If you wish so, that thread is still there.
`Pajalsta`....

2/ Let`s stick to the content of the articles I quote, if you do not mind.
And here again, a quoted article does in no way mean, that I do share 100% of the ideas in it, unless you consider myself being the author of every article.
If I quote an article, that means, I consider, some, or most of the points in it are of any interest, in a positive, or contadictory ground....

3/ I specially requoted, the paragraph that describes well the unhealthy scheme, you and most posters here do create.
Pro West/Pro Russia .
Did I ever preached full pro West orientation?
Find my posts please.
All my point is refusal of blind russophilia, slave mentality.
Refusing one, is not accepting automatically the other camp`s servility.
I do consider (contrary to the ones like MELS, forever and volontary slaves), that we deserve, and more so, WE CAN AFFORD some degree of SELF RULE/INDEPENDANCE.
MORE: We are condemned to keep our decision making ability/independence, if we wish to survive in our environment, one of the most hostile on earth.

4/ I do not see how I do contradict myself. Please be more explicit, by quoting my contradictory arguments .

5/ The problem is, that anything that contradicts Russia`s interests, or contradicts the grounds of blind russophilia, is considered by you as being propaganda.
It is certainly propaganda, from a russian point of view.
But I am not Russian.
It is certainly financed by the West, for that same reason. But in this case, as I already mentioned it once, given the real life situation created in Armenia, in which media you would think, A NATIONALIST ARMENIAN MUST PUBLISH, if that nationalist does consider, that RUSSIAN POLICY IS AGAINST ARMENIA`s INTERESTS ????

If you can show me at least ONE OTHER TOTALLY INDEPENDANT ARMENIAN MEDIA, able to criticize Russian policy, I would certainly be very much interested.

6/ Once again, I am not the lawyer of Lragir, or any other Hetq, etc...., if you have anything to say, stick to the arguments of the article I POST.

7/ You are very wrong, if you consider myself full of hate against Russia. That means you have missed the point.
The difference is, that I am not FULL OF LOVE , to say it mildly, towards Russia.
There is a difference, people of the MELS category can`t get, but I taught you must have been able

As I once said, I am `full of love ONLY` towards my people, and NO OTHER.
I feel no obligation, nor bounds, to ANY other nations interests.
I plead guilty only on 2 bias on this ground:
- hate towards anything turkish.
- deep sympathy towards italia ( but since Rome has fallen, this only bias does not alter much my judgement concerning our interests)

Just to reming, a year back, when it was iranian policy of `renting` Zankezur was in the air, I was one of the most critical ones regarding that dangerous step. And it was the einsteins like MELS, that were defending the project, on supposed economic grounds...
Today, I do `defend` Iranian orientation, when it comes to criticise russian policy....
In the past I did counter US policy during Goble plan, or Key West deal....

I think you must afford, considering Self interest, out of any other major alignment.
If not, you do accept death penalty of History, volontarily.
Even if it is, or does seem impossible, we are condemned to keep that minimum level of independence, against any external power, if we are to survive.
Today, as so many times in the past, the danger comes from Moskwa.....