Who owns what in Armenia

[Haykakan]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Where did you see me justify or accept the oligarchs? I respect most of your writing because you do not "put words in other peoples mouths" so please don't start now. Then you repeat what i have said all along that a small nation like Armenia cannot afford to make the same mistakes as the bigger nations-this is like preaching to the quire. I want the oligarchs gone asap but it will never ever happen and neither will that opposition group of your dreams. The sad reality is that oligarchs only get more powerful and sophisticated and they morph into what we have in USA now-a system where people think they have a say but nobody ruling the country could care less about the people. They also kill effective opposition and set up fake opposition to make it look democratic. All of this is being done in Armenia and has been done in all developed democracies. I warned against this very thing when Armenia became independent but hey people wanted to be like America so here you are now.

[Eddo211]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

I wouldn't say it will never ever happen Haykakan....not likely anytime soon but not impossible. As citizens voice their views and as the country goes through its growing pains.

btw surprising amount of Americans are realizing what is really going on and the vets are the biggest voices.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

No Eddo there cannot exist a real political party in such a unequal society. Those at the top will bribe/threaten/scandalize/kill those who try to do anything good just like they do here in USA now. They will then install their moles and cronies and take over the party. People are shocked by what goes on in Armenia because they are ignorant of how politics "works" in capitalism. It is the same xxxx in the west only far more refined but yes you are right people are catching on but then what? So now you know so what do you do now? I do my part by educating hundreds of people about it but as one of my students asked me - what should i do? I do not have a real answer to this question accept whatever answer it is it will not work via regular political system because it is all corrupted to the core. In Armenia it is a little different because world powers are backing opposing sides but the effect is all the same where real issues get sidelined and stupid crap becomes the burning issue of the day-forget inequality-forget the death of the middle class-forget the destruction of society and its future-it is gay rights, abortion, Miley Srus... that really matter. We have lots of people here with the likes of Vrej the pessimist-Tom the Armenian uncle Tom-We have optimists which includes too many to name-i happen to be a realist-no bs-no crocodile tears-just reality but people do not like reality so they wear their colorful sunglasses and pretend the world is not what it is. Just think about the name of this thread-like what kind of a person would dwell on who owns what? We all know the oligarchs own it all so why start this thread? He starts it because he wants to dwell on the negativity-he has a sickness and this is his therapy. Pathetic and sad but this is indeed the state of the world we live in today.

[Eddo211]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

I don't thing colored glasses matter and you come across more of a pessimist (glass half empty) than a realist, not that you don't see reality.....the parallels between the awaken American people and the awaken Armenian people are very close, they both don't know what to do to restore and protect their rights from deterioration plus Americans have comfort zone not worth loosing in a civil war or civil unrest unlike Armenians who feel it more.
We must remember what kind of a world we will leave our grandchildren and how they will judge us.

[Artashes]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Sorry for this, but just can't help it----
---- Haykakan, are you insinuating that Miley isn't all important?
Man, what are you thinking???
Hahaha ah hahahaha

[Mher]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Axper jan OMG thats Monte? My bad. All his time and I thought you had an Arab fetish LOL

Yeah Armenia has a lot of painful growing pains axper jan, it sure ain't pretty over there but it aint prettier anywhere else in the region so let's not get bent out of shape. I see how my family over there suffers day to day with all sorts of stuff but its not because of this oligarch or that oligarch its because the lack of high paying jobs because of closed borders, closed factories and screwed up neighborhood. Armenia is like located in a place like in south central LA, if know what I mean LOL Our best neighbor is Iran and they are sanctioned! Thats show you bro. We can criticize and protest whats going on but no getting on Uncle Sams bandwagon to cause more demoralize and destabilization in the country by joining with western mercenaries who want to take Armenia's natural problems and use it against Armenia for political reasons. You should watch the cable tv show Who built America on History channel. Just think man one hundred years ago this wonderful place we live in place was one big sweatshop and before that a big plantation for slaves. But things change and now that they got all rich and whatnot because of their stealing and wars they want to tell other newly starting off countrys what to do and how to live? No bro, we need to do home grown grass roots activism to help Armenia and not join forces with our enemies. And we have to be critical in a positive way and be have to be patient, like Rome was not build in one day. I periodically read The Gamper by Mat Bayramian and theriseofrussia.blogspot by Arevordi. Rise of Russia's webmaster is sometimes extremistic but he make a good sense when he talks about political situations facing Armenia. You should read him. Him and Haykakan here actually changed how I think about politics. I think you should pay attention to these older men. We all hurt for Armenia and worry for her and we all know the problems overthere but we dont need foreigners like Bell telling us what to do and we dont need hysterical armos crying fire every time they dont like something. Enough bro let Armenia go through evolution. I visit my relatives in Armenia a lot and trust me bro the country is not what MSN makes it out to be. The place is slowly but surely getting better.

And this Vrej character is fake IMHO, from his comments I know he is a fake because he basically repeats everything Azeri favorite Lragir writes. This is the internet there is no old or young here because there is no way anybody can verify who is who and what is what. Like how do you know Im Serj who grew up in Glendale (Armendale LOL) and is now studying in New York? Age means nothing in the internet. Anyway instead of coming hard down on me like Im ur enemy you should be shutting the mouths of the Armenia bashers here that includes Vrej and Bell who are causing us a lot of demoralization and our homeland is depopulating because of it.

First of, sorry if I've been a bit too aggressive in my responses. See if you just stick to your arguments, without cussing out the other person, people will listen to what you have to say. We all do that once in a while, but its a good to avoid if you want to be listened to.

Aper I read both of those blogs regularly and both are from very informed people. I know a bit about William Bairamian, having met him, and knowing his brother, so I can trust what he has to say more. He is a highly educated and accomplished person, but one thing about him, like a lot of us, he does the best to see the best of our country, so he always says everything in the best terms. As far as the Rise of Russia blog, I've been reading it for a few years, I've read his posts on this forum from a few years ago too. I take what he says with a grain of salt. No doubt he is very informed, but he's views are quite extremists.

How do you think Armenia is to improve? How does this evolution occur? by people fighting for it to occur. It won't improve if we you just accept that things are how they are. How does Armenia's external situation related to the billions being stolen by some of these bastards in power. There is a difference between some of these animals like the Prosperous Party or Ter-Petrosyan trying to get into power, or foreign forces trying to influence Armenia, and people trying to fix real issues in the Armenian society. Believe it or not, in the near future, Armenia's Turkish and Azeri borders will not open, Armenia will not have access to a sea, and Armenia will not be connected to Russia. So I don't know how Armenia is supposed to improve. Also believe it or not, most other Armenian news sites actually have higher proportion of Azeri visitors that Lragir.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/news.am

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/panorama.am

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/lragir.am

Not that I'm supporting Lragir, or accept the unnecessary negativity, but a significant part of that negativity is well justified.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Will it be Professor Dodi Gago next?

Knowledge important rather than degrees

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2014/01/19/paravon-mirzoyan/

Director of the National Gallery of Armenia Paravon Mirzoyan cannot understand officials seeking PhDs.

“Last year I watched TV and heard about 149 new PhD theses! In the USSR, only 10 to 15 people used to defend PhD theses after working for many years,” Mirzoyan told Tert.am.

Speaking of Yerevan Mayor Taron Margaryan and Minister of Transport Gagik Beglaryan, both of whom recently defended their theses, Mirzoyan said: “It is knowledge that is of importance. It must be a fashion now when one is addressed as ‘doctor’ or ‘professor’.”


Police Refuse to Take Action Against Pro-Government Youths

Astghik Bedevian
RFE/RL Armenia Report - 01/10/2014

Pro-government youths prevent journalists from covering the
supposedly public defense of Yerevan Mayor Taron Markarian's doctoral
thesis, Yerevan, 26 Dec 2013.

The Armenian police have refused to launch criminal proceedings
against pro-government students that forcibly prevented journalists
from covering a supposedly public defense of Yerevan Mayor Taron
Markarian's controversial doctoral dissertation.

Markarian was awarded a PhD in economics by the Armenian State
Economics University (ASEU) on December 26 at a ceremony that was
effectively held behind the closed doors contrary to legal
requirements.

Several dozen aggressive youths led by the pro-government heads of the
ASEU student council blocked the entrance to the university building
to thwart any press coverage of the dissertation defense. Some of them
bullied and insulted reporters trying to make their away into the
building. Two police officers guarding the entrance looked on and
refused to intervene.

Some of the reporters lodged afterwards a formal complaint with the
police, demanding the opening of a criminal case against the youths
affiliated with the ruling Republican Party (HHK). They cited an
article of Armenia's Criminal Code that makes it a crime to obstruct
the work of journalists.

The complaint was essentially dismissed by the police. The chief of
the national police service, Vladimir Gasparian, said on Thursday that
he has only `reprimanded' the two policemen for effectively obeying
the abusive students' orders.

Tigran Safarian, a lawyer representing the journalists, also filed a
separate complaint with another law-enforcement body, the Special
Investigative Service (SIS). Safarian said on Friday that the SIS has
still not responded to the appeal.

Hayk Gevorgian, a senior correspondent for the `Haykakan Zhamanak'
daily who tried in vain to cover Markarian's dissertation defense,
criticized the police stance. `Police should have detained and
prosecuted at least two dozen youths on the spot,' he said. `The
police not only failed to do that but also sided with that hooligan
band.'

Nor have the students in question faced serious disciplinary action
from the university administration. The ASEU rector, Koryun Atoyan,
claimed to have rebuked them after the incident. `I summoned everyone
and told that regardless of what happened they had no right to behave
like that,' he told RFE/RL's Armenian service (Azatutyun.am).

A photograph circulated on through the Internet earlier this week
showed Atoyan attending a New Year's party with the same students on
December 31. `Why should I have not partied with my students?' he said
on Friday.

The rector personally told the embattled journalists on December 26
that they cannot attend the event despite a legal requirement that it
must be open to the public and the media in particular.

[londontsi]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

[Artashes]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Of course I couldn't understand a word of it.
But, it looked like the two guest commentators on the left were pointed out the fraudulent behavior seen when the reporters tried to witness the "degree buying".
And the two on the right were defending oligarch nonsense.
Could be wrong.
The filming of the reporters & the young thugs + police cooperation with youthful thugs, seems to say it all.
The young wannabe tough guys are the children of those who are getting their palms greased by the oligarchs & also obvious candidates as buyers of good grades & degrees.
The police are obviously bought & paid for.
My question is ... What could the two on the right have possibly said in public that wasn't laughable???
Artashes

[Hakob]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Of course I couldn't understand a word of it.
But, it looked like the two guest commentators on the left were pointed out the fraudulent behavior seen when the reporters tried to witness the "degree buying".
And the two on the right were defending oligarch nonsense.
Could be wrong.
The filming of the reporters & the young thugs + police cooperation with youthful thugs, seems to say it all.
The young wannabe tough guys are the children of those who are getting their palms greased by the oligarchs & also obvious candidates as buyers of good grades & degrees.
The police are obviously bought & paid for.
My question is ... What could the two on the right have possibly said in public that wasn't laughable???
Artashes

actually both sides were condemning. Left side was for totally abolishing country's academic system of degrees and certificates. Right side was for cleaning up current system from political influenses.