Armenian Parliamentary Elections 2012

[KarotheGreat]

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Ruling Republican party comments on coalition partner’s recent move

February 06, 2012 | 16:59

YEREVAN. – Ruling Republican Party of Armenia (RPA) MPs consider coalition member Prosperous Armenia Party’s (PAP) recent actions as a PR move, violation of coalition agreements.

The ruling coalition’s Prosperous Armenia Party (PAP) Parliamentary Faction did not take part in National Assembly (NA) voting on the bill concerning limitations to financial operations, and thus PAP “torpedoed” the passing of the bill.

“It is a violation of coalition agreements. I believe the bill was discussed very seriously and there could be no conflict of interests. It was an anti-corruption bill, besides, a political team releases a statement prior to being absent from the voting,” head of RPA parliamentary group Galust Sahakyan told Armenian News-NEWS.am.

An Oligarch doesn't want anti-corruption laws, the shock and horror!

[Mher]

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If Paul got the most delegates than many would have to vote for him, since most states require the electors to vote for the winner of their primary. And the rest would have to either vote for Paul or break 200 plus years of tradition and face the violent ire of the masses.

Ron Paul will never be given the chance to ever put together some wins in any state anyway. He is too much of threat to the military industrial complex, Israel, and the special interests. Him and his insane ideas of responsibility, "the Golden rule", and American interest before Israel.

[Armanen]

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And who chooses the people that can be elected? Politics is and will stay a world of connections and know the right person. Like take the president candidate, during the party conference most of the delegates can cast their votes for whomever they want and the party and its leaders can endors and put their weight behind any candidate they want. Look at Ron Paul, there is no chance that the party will ever chose him even if he gets more delegates than the other candidates.

If Paul got the most delegates than many would have to vote for him, since most states require the electors to vote for the winner of their primary. And the rest would have to either vote for Paul or break 200 plus years of tradition and face the violent ire of the masses.

[KarotheGreat]

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In the US, thru primaries and caucuses, the people choose the candidate for higher office.

And who chooses the people that can be elected? Politics is and will stay a world of connections and know the right person. Like take the president candidate, during the party conference most of the delegates can cast their votes for whomever they want and the party and its leaders can endors and put their weight behind any candidate they want. Look at Ron Paul, there is no chance that the party will ever chose him even if he gets more delegates than the other candidates.

[Armanen]

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So how does this prove that they aren't private but are public institutions? Any party can chose any candidate it wants and the general public has nothing to say about the choice of candidates. Parties themselves are most of the times oligarchies ruled from the top down.



I don't know any country where the general public is allowed to chose a party candidate. The members of a party chose it not the general public and most members vote as the top bras tells them to vote.

In the US, thru primaries and caucuses, the people choose the candidate for higher office.

[KarotheGreat]

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I think your description of the structure of political parties puts democracy on its head.

Parties are not private institutions, nor can they do as they please.

They have members.
A Structure.
Periodic (yearly) Conventions open to public view.
A constitution.
Steering committees
Executive body. etc etc


More detailed description of party structures.

http://www.pinkmonkey.com/studyguides/subjects/am_gov/chap9/A0909401.asp

So how does this prove that they aren't private but are public institutions? Any party can chose any candidate it wants and the general public has nothing to say about the choice of candidates. Parties themselves are most of the times oligarchies ruled from the top down.

Perhaps you should explain which country you had in mind, North Korea or Zimbabwe.


P.S. My comment do not imply agreement with the comments of the above officials.

I don't know any country where the general public is allowed to chose a party candidate. The members of a party chose it not the general public and most members vote as the top bras tells them to vote.

[londontsi]

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In most countries, parties are private institutions and they can do as they please.

I think your description of the structure of political parties puts democracy on its head.

Parties are not private institutions, nor can they do as they please.

They have members.
A Structure.
Periodic (yearly) Conventions open to public view.
A constitution.
Steering committees
Executive body. etc etc


More detailed description of party structures.

http://www.pinkmonkey.com/studyguides/subjects/am_gov/chap9/A0909401.asp

I am really wondering which country are they talking about?

Perhaps you should explain which country you had in mind, North Korea or Zimbabwe.


P.S. My comment do not imply agreement with the comments of the above officials.

[KarotheGreat]

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In democratic countries proportional lists are prepared by voters, in Armenia - by party leaders

February 03, 2012 | 03:26

YEREVAN. - Armenia’s proportional electoral system is different from other democratic counties’ systems, expert on political and electoral systems Armen Badalyan told the reporter of Armenian News-NEWS.am.

He mentioned that in democratic countries where the proportional system is used, the candidates are elected by party elections with the participation of the public and not by the party leaders. But as we have not reached that level of democracy yet, the mechanisms are different.

I am really wondering which country are they talking about? In most countries, parties are private institutions and they can do as they please. So I am really wondering what this guy is talking about!

Incumbent president should head Republican Party’s list – Armenian MP

February 03, 2012 | 13:03

YEREVAN.- Incumbent President Serzh Sargsyan should head the proportional list of the candidates from Republican Party of Armenia (RPA), said RPA member Hovhannes Sahakyan.

The MP said the list would be presented ahead of party’s congress on March 10 or immediately after the congress. The delegates will elect the head of the party, Sahakyan said expressing confidence that Serzh Sargsyan would retain his position.

He also said the coalition parties may sign a new text of a memorandum, although the current document is effective.

“Signing of a memorandum depends on whether the coalition forces will run for elections by a single list,” he explained.

Under the current memorandum, two other parties - Prosperous Armenia and Orinats Yerkir - agreed to support Serzh Sargsyan’s nomination at the 2013 elections.

We have an other joker here! Yes lets mix two branches of the government that is going to be so constitutional!

[KarotheGreat]

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Well it seems that PAP has now two factions, one that wants to stay with the RPA (take the safe route) the other faction wants to move on their own and plunge of the cliff.

Armenia’s former FM could choose other ruling coalition partner – coalition MP

February 01, 2012 | 12:13

YEREVAN. – During this difficult period for the entire globe, Armenia’s ruling coalition forces were able to maintain the relative stability, and if there would be a need to sign another memorandum, there is nothing bad in that, the coalition’s Prosperous Armenia Party (PAP) MP Vardan Bostanjyan stated during a press conference on Wednesday. “It is not condemnable to sign any document for the country’s development, stability, and for similar objectives,” Bostanjyan added.

Reflecting on the inclusion of businessmen in PAP’s list of nominees for the upcoming parliamentary elections, he said the businessmen lawfully conduct their businesses, and that they have merit in the region. So, as per the MP, the citizens of Armenia must decide whether they are needed.

Vardan Bostanjyan also noted that the coalition will nominate its candidates on the basis of mutual accordance.

And with respect to former FM Vartan Oskanian’s collaboration with PAP and the chances of his enrollment among the Party ranks, PAP MP firstly advised to read Oskanian’s statement more carefully, and added: “He is in search, and it may happen that enter the [coalition’s Republican Party of Armenia] RPA.”

[Mos]

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There's a lot of tension in the ruling coalition as Dodi Gago's party may be preparing for Kocharian's return, thus not support the Republicans.