Politics in Hayastan

[Artashes]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

So I see we have a new prime minister and a new defense minister.
I was not a pleased with previous PM for this specific reason ; he got his doctorate behind closed doors while young punks from elite families forcefully stopped the ligitimet press from rightfully viewing. No good for a leader.
I really liked Seyran Ohanyan but according to Londontsi's post, e materially benefited from his post oligarch style.
I tried to find the several posts I'm going to refer to but was unsuccessful.
So ... In one post I see mr. Ohanyan has been put as head of operational function of the military. A position I think that retains his great experience and insight that was most useful to our military. Conclusion, nothing lost.
Our new defense minister has publicly said he wants to increase military size plus use military as an economic engine for our country. Sounds good to me.
Our new PM has publicly acknowledged a "shadow" govt (oligarch) and stated clearly that this is no good for our country. Sounds real good. Also our new PM has clearly stated the need for transparency in all govt action. That is a clear anti oligarch call. Sounds real good to me.
I was concerned with the close Russian connection of new PM, but have to admit his senior position in large Russian company belies great skill and accomplishment. Not being a russophob, I cannot count this against him.
So far the words and actions of these two are looking positive and welcome to me.
It doesn't look like we lost Ohanyan, simply put him in charge of the operational side.
I'm hopeful.

[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

So I see we have a new prime minister and a new defense minister.
I was not a pleased with previous PM for this specific reason ; he got his doctorate behind closed doors while young punks from elite families forcefully stopped the ligitimet press from rightfully viewing. No good for a leader.
I really liked Seyran Ohanyan but according to Londontsi's post, e materially benefited from his post oligarch style.
I tried to find the several posts I'm going to refer to but was unsuccessful.
So ... In one post I see mr. Ohanyan has been put as head of operational function of the military. A position I think that retains his great experience and insight that was most useful to our military. Conclusion, nothing lost.
Our new defense minister has publicly said he wants to increase military size plus use military as an economic engine for our country. Sounds good to me.
Our new PM has publicly acknowledged a "shadow" govt (oligarch) and stated clearly that this is no good for our country. Sounds real good. Also our new PM has clearly stated the need for transparency in all govt action. That is a clear anti oligarch call. Sounds real good to me.
I was concerned with the close Russian connection of new PM, but have to admit his senior position in large Russian company belies great skill and accomplishment. Not being a russophob, I cannot count this against him.
So far the words and actions of these two are looking positive and welcome to me.
It doesn't look like we lost Ohanyan, simply put him in charge of the operational side.
I'm hopeful.

I think you are justified in being somewhat hopeful. The expulsion of Liska was another reason to hope. I do not mind these people from benefiting from their positions so long as their priority remains the national interest. Should our statehood be strengthened, there may still be hope for a viable country and this goes for Artsakh as well. We have seen how quickly the military balance can shift due to outside factors. It is very important to excel at what is under our control as that will make us more durable when things outside our control come knocking at our door.

[Artashes]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

So I see we have a new prime minister and a new defense minister.
I was not a pleased with previous PM for this specific reason ; he got his doctorate behind closed doors while young punks from elite families forcefully stopped the ligitimet press from rightfully viewing. No good for a leader.
I really liked Seyran Ohanyan but according to Londontsi's post, e materially benefited from his post oligarch style.
I tried to find the several posts I'm going to refer to but was unsuccessful.
So ... In one post I see mr. Ohanyan has been put as head of operational function of the military. A position I think that retains his great experience and insight that was most useful to our military. Conclusion, nothing lost.
Our new defense minister has publicly said he wants to increase military size plus use military as an economic engine for our country. Sounds good to me.
Our new PM has publicly acknowledged a "shadow" govt (oligarch) and stated clearly that this is no good for our country. Sounds real good. Also our new PM has clearly stated the need for transparency in all govt action. That is a clear anti oligarch call. Sounds real good to me.
I was concerned with the close Russian connection of new PM, but have to admit his senior position in large Russian company belies great skill and accomplishment. Not being a russophob, I cannot count this against him.
So far the words and actions of these two are looking positive and welcome to me.
It doesn't look like we lost Ohanyan, simply put him in charge of the operational side.
I'm hopeful.

I think you are justified in being somewhat hopeful. The expulsion of Liska was another reason to hope. I do not mind these people from benefiting from their positions so long as their priority remains the national interest. Should our statehood be strengthened, there may still be hope for a viable country and this goes for Artsakh as well. We have seen how quickly the military balance can shift due to outside factors. It is very important to excel at what is under our control as that will make us more durable when things outside our control come knocking at our door.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention the almost emmediate dismissal of the disgusting Syunik governor. With a beginning move like that, my hope was emmediatly buoyed. Excellent move by our new PM.
Bravo on that.

[londontsi]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

..... I do not mind these people from benefiting from their positions so long as their priority remains the national interest. ......

I think you should mind .....

There is contradiction in your statement.

A government official is given powers as well as trust to operate and make decisions in the best interest of the state.

The minute he is in front of decisions of conflicting interest of the state and personal that's where things go wrong.

Also with your tolerance and basically no cap as to how much he/she benefits with such arrangement ( read corruption) where will the centre of gravity be.
Coupled the fact that if that official thinks "I may not be in this position very long" you can imagine how things will transpire.

I will give a tragic example of what I mean.
It is well known that Hovig Abrahamyan as an oligarch/ monopolist owned the right to import petrol.
For many years the Iranians wanted to build a petrol refinery.
Somehow there was a lot of talk but nothing happened.
Eventually it seemed the Iranians had put that idea to rest.
Recently, a few weeks ago, it was announced that the Iranians are building a refinery in Georgia.
Around 500 million and 800 jobs.

Clearly I do not know what was discussed behind doors at the time but you can imagine how demoralizing it is.

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[Vrej1915]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I think you should mind .....

There is contradiction in your statement.

A government official is given powers as well as trust to operate and make decisions in the best interest of the state.

The minute he is in front of decisions of conflicting interest of the state and personal that's where things go wrong.

Also with your tolerance and basically no cap as to how much he/she benefits with such arrangement ( read corruption) where will the centre of gravity be.
Coupled the fact that if that official thinks "I may not be in this position very long" you can imagine how things will transpire.

I will give a tragic example of what I mean.
It is well known that Hovig Abrahamyan as an oligarch/ monopolist owned the right to import petrol.
For many years the Iranians wanted to build a petrol refinery.
Somehow there was a lot of talk but nothing happened.
Eventually it seemed the Iranians had put that idea to rest.
Recently, a few weeks ago, it was announced that the Iranians are building a refinery in Georgia.
Around 500 million and 800 jobs.

Clearly I do not know what was discussed behind doors at the time but you can imagine how demoralizing it is.

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I think you have a hard time perceiving any workable scenario beyond what you are accustomed to. The truth is history has way more successful examples of the scenario I described then the one you are describing but the decades of brainwashing have taken their toll on people and they think now that there is only one way to succeed with the assumption that they have somehow achieved success and that this achievement must be forced down the throat of the rest of the world. One delusion follows another in this predictable departure from reality.

[londontsi]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

I think you have a hard time perceiving any workable scenario beyond what you are accustomed to. The truth is history has way more successful examples of the scenario I described then the one you are describing but the decades of brainwashing have taken their toll on people and they think now that there is only one way to succeed with the assumption that they have somehow achieved success and that this achievement must be forced down the throat of the rest of the world. One delusion follows another in this predictable departure from reality.

Perhaps you should explain why we are in the economic mess we are in, as described by the Prime Minister?



The state belongs to the people.

Government officials are employees of the state no different than employees of a corporation.

They cannot steal from the state/corporation.

They cannot pursue their own business using state/ corporation resources including time.

They should declare if they find themselves in a conflict of interest.

These are some of the conditions of employment state/corporation.


Perhaps what you have in mind or confusing with a despotic state, where even the doorman is not answerable to the people.

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[Haykakan]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Perhaps you should explain why we are in the economic mess we are in, as described by the Prime Minister?



The state belongs to the people.

Government officials are employees of the state no different than employees of a corporation.

They cannot steal from the state/corporation.

They cannot pursue their own business using state/ corporation resources including time.

They should declare if they find themselves in a conflict of interest.

These are some of the conditions of employment state/corporation.


Perhaps what you have in mind or confusing with a despotic state, where even the doorman is not answerable to the people.

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Wow those are great benchmark you got there. Now would you mind naming one single country that meets them?

[londontsi]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Wow those are great benchmark you got there. Now would you mind naming one single country that meets them?

I cannot mention countries but every company I have worked for ( different parts of the world including Scandinavian countries )
I knew these benchmarks were expected of me as everybody else.

I cannot say I adhered 100% to them but if I broke some, it was either by special permission or without impacting my duties.

But I never asked permission for something which would undermine my credibility as a reliable staff.

[Artashes]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Wow those are great benchmark you got there. Now would you mind naming one single country that meets them?

Honesty, decency, integrity, are great benchmarks. Because one would (could) play hell finding someone or damn near anyone that meets these benchmarks does not negate their benchmark status. They are still the benchmark to strive for and nurture in our schools.
We are all responsible for our own actions.
If no one else meets the criteria Londontsi iterated, that does not mean we are free to be slim balls. Lol.