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  • #751
    Conversation between dumb and dumber LOL

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    • #752
      Originally posted by Hakob View Post
      I am beginning to think that the war with Azerbaijan is becoming a very appealing idea not only for Azeris but our leadership and society.
      While for Baku it's mostly nationalist and leadership survival issue, for us it may become the only means to survive and prosper a bit.
      If new Azerbaijani territories are liberated, so to speak, it is a way to plunder and prosper for few more years.
      Turkish custom may become not only appealing for us one day, but the only means left for our elite.
      Armenia could have used the pretext of war to develop an Arms industry and then use conscripts to build all the roads and irrigation/dam systems in the country like the US Army did. Diaspora money didn't have to build that new highway, the Armenian Army could have done that. We don't need the Americans/Russians to invest in the hydropower systems, the Armenian Army could have done that. Airports all around the country and civil aviation? The Armenian Air Force / Army could have built and maintained them to share with civil aviation. Literally, we could be printing money into the military industrial complex infrastructure of our country instead of just straight up wasting it on corruption.

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      • #753
        Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post

        What else should he say, to accept what his goal is?
        he biggins by saying that all this was meant against Russia, and ends by it, plus quoting a Tumanian? word warning against any pretentzia against Russia....

        If you want facts, the easiyest ones comes to the way he presents Katin massacre, which is identical to the ridiculous claims of the Tchekists dating 1943....
        There is no historical approach, it is the mouth of a communist low level commisar repeating the official line.
        Not even the most retarded russian historian in Russia would dare to say something like that today.
        And pay attention he sells himself, unconsciously, when he speaks by "Mez yen hantznvel..."
        Repeat: MEZ.
        His soul is soviet, and he is not even trying to hide it.....


        Second easiyest page, we do not need archeologists to check.
        This guy, with a very easy and honest tone, tries to do the exact job bolsheviks always excelled at, divide and poison the targetted society, that is us in this case.
        He is innocently stating, that Dashnaks are to blame, for the exile of 3000 Nerkaghtoghs to Sibir in 1946, and not the Bolsheviks..... thaugh he admitts he has no proof for it....., since there can not be any other explanation...
        As if the Bolsheviks needed rationals understandable by normal persons, from an Armenian perpective at least...
        As if they did not execute, exile or persecute hundred of thousands of innocent Pows returning from german shtalags after 1945...., etc. , etc...

        Kasian is a hero! Proof: he himself ended up eaten by the monster he served....
        As if 99% of the criminals arround Vladimir iI. Ulyanov in 1917 did not end up killed by Beria/Stalin.... so they are all innocent??

        His stinking voice comes from Stalin era, not even after it....
        Vrej, everything you say agree.
        But removing something without putting the history right is not enough.
        We should have had a Nuremberg of soviet legacy, cut that damn legacy and move on.
        But, while the government is reestablishing that same legacy for itself, we should concentrate on street names? Why not the persons and events themselfs . If theyre guilty or good.
        And it seems maybe more names have to share the blame. If we say somebody is a victim of NKVD/Stalin. But that person looks like done plenty wrong too.
        In any case, if not debated, this history interpretations will stay unsolved.
        we know who was bad. But it should not die with us as history without resolve.
        I hope I am explaining what I mean.
        Because, next generations may be going to repeat the same history.
        I think that the nuremberg was the most beneficial to German people, looking how quick they re shaped themselfs to new powerful and modern society.
        But, 25 years on, we are stil in the same swamp we used to be. Actually worse.
        For example in soviet times majority complained about elections. Now, we act even worse by our own choosing.
        its not enough to change street name. What's behind that name has to be put to martial and final court.
        Last edited by Hakob; 09-10-2017, 08:06 PM.

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        • #754
          Originally posted by Hakob View Post

          Vrej, everything you say agree.
          But removing something without putting the history right is not enough.
          We should have had a Nuremberg of soviet legacy, cut that damn legacy and move on.
          But, while the government is reestablishing that same legacy for itself, we should concentrate on street names? Why not the persons and events themselfs . If theyre guilty or good.
          And it seems maybe more names have to share the blame. If we say somebody is a victim of NKVD/Stalin. But that person looks like done plenty wrong too.
          In any case, if not debated, this history interpretations will stay unsolved.
          we know who was bad. But it should not die with us as history without resolve.
          I hope I am explaining what I mean.
          Because, next generations may be going to repeat the same history.
          I think that the nuremberg was the most beneficial to German people, looking how quick they re shaped themselfs to new powerful and modern society.
          But, 25 years on, we are stil in the same swamp we used to be. Actually worse.
          For example in soviet times majority complained about elections. Now, we act even worse by our own choosing.
          its not enough to change street name. What's behind that name has to be put to martial and final court.
          I agree 100%.
          We should have desovietized in 91-92.
          But for some objective and mostly subjective reasons, did not had the maturity and state mindedness for it.
          I remember those times, I was myself shocked the way the Germans, Poles and Balts behaved , when opening stasi archives, purging most communist nomenklatura and even middle, low level cadrs....
          I taught we could not afford it given war.
          I still am not sure if we could have it before 95...??

          But life shows, we were wrong, they were right.
          They had much more freedom of, sure, and certainly more maturity......

          We did not do it then, we should do it still now.
          And if not, someday we will have to...
          The later, the worse...

          If we could have done it, most of our parasites today would have been in the prisons of California or Maskwa, and we would have certainly halved the emigration, and would have a different country...

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          • #755
            "Oh I agree, no I agree more, no I agree %100, no I agree %1000" LOL

            You guys are sooooo dam funny LOL

            You people are sick in the head. Deep inside your hart you hate Armenia more than you hate turks.

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            • #756
              Originally posted by Serjik View Post
              "Oh I agree, no I agree more, no I agree %100, no I agree %1000" LOL

              You guys are sooooo dam funny LOL

              You people are sick in the head. Deep inside your hart you hate Armenia more than you hate turks.
              What's up communist boy?
              Is Kasyan your great grandpa?
              Since when hating communism equals hating Armenia?
              Same old communist stile demagogue you are.
              The way you "defend" Armenia will make real Armenia haters happy.
              Have Fun with our agreements.
              Last edited by Hakob; 09-11-2017, 02:31 PM.

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              • #757
                Is Gyotverenyan your great grandpa? Since when attacking the state we have today equals hating communists? I thought you were the "old" one here. Why you so dam immature? Thank them communists for having an Armenia to being with, then will talk. Capeesh?
                Last edited by Serjik; 09-11-2017, 05:26 PM.

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                • #758
                  Originally posted by Serjik View Post
                  Is Gyotveren your great grandpa? I thought you were the old one here. Why you so immature? Thank them communists for having an Armenia to being with then will talk. Capeesh?
                  f you. Son of b... Do not put yourself as a defender of communists, jerk, because you could not even wipe their shoes you idiot.
                  You are not a communist or a communist son.
                  You are a descendant of a sleaze that people called gyot.
                  So calling Kasian your great grandpa = gyot for you?

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                  • #759
                    Time for your meetings LOL

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                    • #760
                      The lady from the communist party is soo convincing
                      https://www.youtube.com
                       

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