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  • #51
    Re: Agriculture

    Very interesting must watch video.
    Very large aquaculture enterprise in Armenia (Unifish) where they breed, raise and sell fish (trout, sturgeon, caviar etc)
    Another large enterprise is Ecofish.
    This promising sector is very advanced in Armenia.

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    • #52
      Re: Agriculture

      I wish my Russian was better then it is. I do wonder how sustainable the fish farming business can be, considering the limited water resources we have. I have seen a few of these farms myself and the fish they produced was tasty. To raise trout you need lots of clean fresh water which is becoming a scarce resource worldwide.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • #53
        Re: Agriculture

        Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
        I wish my Russian was better then it is. I do wonder how sustainable the fish farming business can be, considering the limited water resources we have. I have seen a few of these farms myself and the fish they produced was tasty. To raise trout you need lots of clean fresh water which is becoming a scarce resource worldwide.
        This is literally a nature's plunder.
        Absolutely not sustainable ponction on natural reserves.
        A handful of persons, are depleting billions of cubameters of water for instant use, most even not redirected into irrigational system, sent directly to the torks.
        Already the consequences are obvious.
        Hundred of wells, in premontainous foothills have dried, causing enormous damage for village irrigation, and forcing the fish breeders to go always deeper.
        If the same business was based on running water only, as was the case of Armash breeding facilities during soviet years, it would be perfect...
        There is a good reason why a country like ours can produce cheaper something any european country, Russia or Ukraine should have done better, on the paper...

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        • #54
          Re: Agriculture

          I was afraid that was the case. Future wars will be fought over not oil but water and seeing such a waist of it is painful.

          Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
          This is literally a nature's plunder.
          Absolutely not sustainable ponction on natural reserves.
          A handful of persons, are depleting billions of cubameters of water for instant use, most even not redirected into irrigational system, sent directly to the torks.
          Already the consequences are obvious.
          Hundred of wells, in premontainous foothills have dried, causing enormous damage for village irrigation, and forcing the fish breeders to go always deeper.
          If the same business was based on running water only, as was the case of Armash breeding facilities during soviet years, it would be perfect...
          There is a good reason why a country like ours can produce cheaper something any european country, Russia or Ukraine should have done better, on the paper...
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • #55
            Re: Agriculture

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
            I was afraid that was the case. Future wars will be fought over not oil but water and seeing such a waist of it is painful.
            exact
            No strategic state interest Notion in the 'ruling elite'....

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            • #56
              Re: Agriculture

              Հայաստանը ջրի սուր կարիք է ունենալու


              12:10 Նոյեմբեր 15, 2012

              ԷկոԼուր

              ՄԱԿ-ի Կլիմայի փոփոխության ծրագրերի կանխատեսումների համաձայն` ինչքան ժամանակ անցնի, այնքան Հայաստանը ջրի սուր կարիք է ունենալու: Մինչեւ 2030 թվականը գետերի ամբողջ հոսքը նվազելու է 6,7%-ով, մինչեւ 2070 թվականը` 14,5%-ով, իսկ մինչեւ 2100 թվականը 24,4%-ով: Այս մասին հայտնեց Հայաստանում ՄԱԿ-ի Զարգացման Ծրագրի Կլիմայի փոփոխության ծրագրերի համակարգող Դիանա Հարությունյանը ՄԱԿ-Ի ԵՏՀ «Միջազգային լճերի եւ անդրսահմանային ջրհոսքերի պահպանության եւ օգտագործման մասին» կոնվենցիային նվիրված միջազգային գիտաժողովի ընթացքում: Գիտաժողը կազմակերպել էր «Հայ կանայք հանուն առողջության եւ առողջ շրջակա միջավայրի» ՀԿ-ն:

              Դիանա Հարությունյանը նշեց նաեւ ձյան տեսքով տեղումների ծավալի կրճատման մասին: 1961-1990 թվականների հետ համեմատած mինչեւ 2030 թվականը տեղումները կկրճատվեն 7-11%-ով, իսկ մինչեւ 2100 թվականը կարող են կրճատվել մինչեւ 40%-ով: Կվատանա նաեւ ջրի որակը, քանի որ նրանում կավելանան աղտոտիչ նյութերը: Նա ասաց, որ այդ ամենը կազդի նաեւ պարենային անվտանգության վրա: «Վնաս կհասցվի ցանքատարածություններին: Միայն երաշտի պատճառով բերքատվությունը կնվազի 15-34%-ով»,- ասաց Դ. Հարությունյանը:

              Ծանր հետեւանքների թվում են սովը, համաճարակային վիճակի վատթարացումը եւ նույնիսկ առողջապահական համակարգի ենթակառուցվածքների ոչնչացումը:

              Մեր կողմից նշենք, որ ՄԱԿ-ի Կլիմայի փոփոխության ծրագրերի կանխատեսումների ժամկետները ավելի են մոտենում: Եւ վերջին տասնամյակում ծնված երեխաները կարող են այդ ծանր հետեւանքներն իրենց վրա զգալ ոչ միայն 2030 թվականին, այլ նաեւ 2070 թվականին: Իսկ նրանք, ովքեր հիմա են ծնվում, հնարավորություն ունեն դա տեսնել նույնիսկ 2100 թվականին:

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              • #57
                Re: Agriculture

                Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                This is literally a nature's plunder.
                Absolutely not sustainable ponction on natural reserves.
                A handful of persons, are depleting billions of cubameters of water for instant use, most even not redirected into irrigational system, sent directly to the torks.
                Already the consequences are obvious.
                Hundred of wells, in premontainous foothills have dried, causing enormous damage for village irrigation, and forcing the fish breeders to go always deeper.
                If the same business was based on running water only, as was the case of Armash breeding facilities during soviet years, it would be perfect...
                There is a good reason why a country like ours can produce cheaper something any european country, Russia or Ukraine should have done better, on the paper...
                Yes , the water concern is a ligitimate downside to the rosey picture being presented to general population .
                But it's not the only downside that's NOT being revealed to us .
                Genetic deteryization & disease are usually never mentioned ( gee golly ) by the money grabbers .
                Also , if any of those fish ,etc are " somehow introduced into the wild population , an extreme NEGITIVE effect is highly possible ( probable ) !!! That's also not usually mentioned .
                Probably just an honest mistake by the ( whoever ) , sorry for my bad attitude .
                Artashes

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                • #58
                  Re: Agriculture

                  Originally posted by Artashes View Post
                  Yes , the water concern is a ligitimate downside to the rosey picture being presented to general population .
                  But it's not the only downside that's NOT being revealed to us .
                  Genetic deteryization & disease are usually never mentioned ( gee golly ) by the money grabbers .
                  Also , if any of those fish ,etc are " somehow introduced into the wild population , an extreme NEGITIVE effect is highly possible ( probable ) !!! That's also not usually mentioned .
                  Probably just an honest mistake by the ( whoever ) , sorry for my bad attitude .
                  Artashes
                  This is already done massively, purposely, since every year, for more than a decade now, the state buys little Ishkhans from 4 major companies of Ararat valley, to try to repopulate Sevan lake.
                  The result is virtually nil, since those are mostly captures by birds or fish looters, before they can develop.
                  And even if 0.1% manages to reach adult age, the natural reproduction is impossible due to pollution, lack of water, and small hydro turbines on the rivers feeding Sevan (see Sevan Thread, question is mentioned regularly)

                  PS: not that I am an admirer of soviet era, but during those times, at least there was some state interest notion, and red lines illetrate oligarkhs could not violate...
                  In those years not only fish looting was very low (fish stock of Sevan was 30.000 tons by end of 1980-s, compared to less than 50 tons now...) , there where 4 state owned fish breeding farms directly on Sevan shores, specially dedicated for Sevan repopulation. (same was for a lot of Soviet lakes, like Baikal, etc..).
                  The survivability of those small fishes was much higher, since born in similar ecosystem (while no need to explain difference of Sevan microclimate and those farms in lower Aratat valley), and they did not consume underground water reserves, since were using directly their natural birthplace's waterflows (like Lidjk, Gavaraked, etc..).
                  All those 4 state owned farms are now in ruin.
                  The state pays those private farms of Ararat valley instead...
                  Last edited by Vrej1915; 02-03-2013, 10:02 PM.

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                  • #59
                    Re: Agriculture

                    The topic of agriculture was brought up to discuss gaining an honest understanding , and a real perception of agriculture and it's inter twined ness to the fabric of the Armenian country's dynamic .
                    A question --- If you know of someone who has a great deal of money and position / power .
                    And you personally think this person did not get these thing honestly , but by swindling , etc .
                    And this person came to you and said : But this time , unlike the other times , I'm not going to swindle you ,
                    Because I care about you and the Nation , with all my heart .
                    Are you going to --- buy ----- that ?
                    My personal opinion is --- we need to take a harder look at " things " and not only that , that satisfies the present moment .
                    Who owns what and what's the cut .
                    Is this enterprise design to benefit the people's , the lands , the sky , and the the very spirit of the land and Nation .
                    Or , is this enterprise design more for your and precious few shareholders ( always compared to total pop ) ?
                    That includes ALL players .
                    The PLAYERS are in the agricultue (s) biz also !!!!!!
                    Artashes

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                    • #60
                      Re: Agriculture

                      Արոտավայրերը իրանցիներին տալիս ոչ ոք ժողովրդի կարծիքը հաշվի չի առել.

                      2 փետրվարի, 2013
                      Ակտիվիստ Վազգեն Գալստյանը դժգոհում է, որ իրանցիների հետ համաձայնագիր կնքելիս տեղացի ժողովրդի կարծիքը ոչ ոք հաշվի չի առել, հանրային լսումներ չեն եղել:

                      «Ինքս Վայոց ձորից եմ, բայց զինվորական ծառայությունս որպես կապավոր անցկացրած լինելով Սյունիքի մարզի հենց այն հատվածներում, որոնք որպես արոտավայր տրամադրելու են Իրանի հյուսիսային շրջանի` Ատրպատականի թրքական ծագմամբ իրանցիներին, կարող եմ հավաստել, որ դրանով լուրջ մտահոգությունների առիթ է ստեղծվում մեր երկրի համար: Այդ հատվածը բավական մոտ է գտնվում Հայաստան-Նախիջևան սահմանին և ռազմավարական տեսանկյունից կարևոր նշանակություն ունի Հայաստանի համար: Բազային որոշակի գիտելիքներ ունեցող անասնապահը կարող է ինֆորմացիա փոխանցել համապատասխան մարմիններին»:

                      Վազգենը, ով ներկայացնում է «Ջերմուկի զարգացման կենտրոն» ՀԿ-ն, նշեց, որ «Թռչկան» քաղաքացիական նախաձեռնությունն այս հարցով դիմել է ԱԱԾ տնօրեն Գորիկ Հակոբյանին և ՀՀ ազգային անվտանգության խորհրդի քարտուղար Արթուր Բաղդասարյանին, բայց պատասխան չեն ստացել:

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