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  • #211
    Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

    OPINION: MURDER OF GYUMRI FAMILY IS 'DELIBERATE PROVOCATION' (VIDEO)

    11:11 | January 16,2015 | Politics

    The murder of an Armenian family by a Russian soldier could be
    'deliberate provocation,' rather than a coincidence, says sculptor
    Andranik Davtyan.

    He was born and raised in the same street where the six members of
    the Avetisyan family were brutally murdered on January 12 allegedly
    by a Russian soldier serving at a Russian military base in Gyumri.

    "Today Azerbaijan is waiting for an opportunity to start a war
    with Armenia, and I think that Turkey will not sit idle and will do
    everything to help Azerbaijan. In that case they will seek to remove
    Russian troops that are guarding Armenia's border," said Mr Davtyan.

    It is not accidental that Valery Permyakov, the Russian soldier who is
    believed to have killed the Avetisyan family, left traces at the scene
    of murder and attempted to cross Armenia's border with Turkey. "The
    military boots that he [Valery Permyakov] left at Avetisyan's house
    clearly show that he wanted to show that the author of the murder
    was Russian," said the sculptor.

    The brutal murder in Gyumri triggered uproar in different circles
    over the country's relations with its closest ally Russia, deepening
    controversy over the relations between the two countries.

    The Avetisyans - two grandparents, their son and daughter, a
    daughter-in-law, and young Hamsik - were shot dead on 12 January.

    A six-month-old boy, Seryozha - in critical condition after suffering
    stab wounds - is the only survivor. The suspect, Russian soldier
    Valery Permyakov, who was serving at Moscow's 102nd military base in
    Gyumri, is said to have confessed to the crime after being apprehended
    by Russian border guards as he was reportedly attempting to cross
    into Turkey.

    Opinion: Murder of Gyumri family is 'deliberate provocation' (video)
    http://en.a1plus.am/1203953.html
    He was born and raised in the same street where the six members of the Avetisyan family were brutally murdered on January 12 allegedly by a Russian soldier serving at a Russian military base in Gyumri.

    Գյումրիի դեպքերը սադրանք է Ռուսաստանի դե՞մ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxb0QF19Bh0
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    • #212
      Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

      “Sorry, Armenia”-Russian presses start apologizing

      18:36, 16 January, 2015
      YEREVAN, 16 JANUARY, ARMENPRESS. “Sorry, Armenia”-this is the title of the article by journalist for “Moskovskij Komsomolets” Sergey Gaponov, expressing certainty that Russia’s elite and people need to apologize to the Armenian people, lay flowers and light candles in front of the Armenian Embassy as a sign of tribute to the members of the family that was killed in Gyumri. As “Armenpress” reports, the Russian journalist notes that handing Russian soldier Valery Permyakov over to Armenia’s investigators and the court under the charge of killing the six members of the Avetisyans in Gyumri on January 12 is not enough.

      The journalist also urges his country’s high-ranking officials to visit Armenia and apologize to the Armenians. “Our high-ranking officials need to meet with Armenia’s President and the people, and not just that. Russia must always provide assistance to the relatives of the family that was killed by a Russian soldier. Finally, people have to visit the embassy (Embassy of Armenia in the Russian Federation), lay many flowers and light candles there,” the journalist writes, adding: “That’s when we won’t lose our friends. That’s when I’ll see that my Russia is a great country.” The Russian“Vzglyad” newspaper writes that Russia has to draw serious conclusions from the tragedy that took place in Gyumri.

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      • #213
        Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

        Ռուսները հասկացան իրենց համար ամենասարսափելին

        ԻԳՈՐ ՄՈՒՐԱԴՅԱՆ, Քաղաքագետ
        16 Հունվարի 2015,

        Ինչ տեղի ունեցավ Գյումրիում

        Հունվարի 14-ին մարդկանց ամբոխը, որն ամենայն հավանականությամբ չուներ առաջնորդ, նախապես հայտարարվածի համաձայն հանրահավաք էր անում Գյումրիի դատախազության շենքի մոտ: Այսինքն, ամեն ինչ տեղի էր ունենում նախապես ծրագրված սցենարով, եւ այն տեղը, որտեղ ակցիան էր տեղի ունենում, շատ էր հիշեցնում փակուղի, բոլոր առումներով:

        Սակայն պարզվեց, որ ակցիան այդտեղ անիմաստ է, եւ մարդիկ ուղղվեցին դեպի Ռուսաստանի հյուպատոսարան: Հասկանալի դարձավ, որ ռուսները հանցագործին նույնիսկ մեկ րոպեով հայերին չեն տա, քանի որ նա շատ բան գիտե, եւ չնայած այն բանին, որ հայկական քննչական մարմիններին կարելի է առաջարկել ցանկացած ինստրուկցիա, կարող է գտնվել գոնե մեկը, ով կարող է պատմել ճշմարտությունը:

        Բացի այդ, հանցագործին հանձնելու մերժումը կարող է հիմնավորվել Ռուսաստանի հետ գործող պայմանավորվածություններով: Այդ պատճառով, միակ ճանապարհն այդ պայմանագրերը չեղյալ անելն է, այսինքն՝ Հայաստանից ռուսական բազայի դուրս բերումը: Այլապես լինելու է ձգձգվող իրավական փակուղի, որն արդեն սկսվել է:

        Որոշակի պահի հայկական ղեկավարության ծրագրերը փլուզվել են: Հայկական ղեկավարությունը տեղի ունեցողը փորձեց ներկայացնել որպես ճնշում եւ այդ աղմուկի տակ ինչ որ բան պոկել ռուսներից: Սակայն դա տեղի չունեցավ, եւ Գյումրիում տեղի ունեցավ տիպիկ հակառուսական ակցիա, եւ որքան երկար մարդասպանը չհանձնվի հայ իրավապահներին, այդքան երկարատեւ ու կայուն կլինեն հակառուսական տրամադրությունները: Ընդ որում, այդ տրամադրությունները ձեւավորվում են Հայաստանի ամենառուսամետ համարում ունեցող քաղաքում:

        Այս սոսկալի սպանությունը, տեխնիկական պարզությամբ հանդերձ, իրականացվել է երկու նպատակով՝ վախեցնել հայերին, ընդլայնել ռազմական բազայի ինստիտուցիոնալ իրավիճակը:

        Հայաստանում կարծես թե ամեն ինչ լավ է ընթանում, վասալացման գործընթացը հաջողությամբ շարունակվում է, սակայն Ռուսաստանին ինչ որ բան անհանգստացնում է, քանի որ այս խաղին մասնակցում է ով ասես, բացի Հայաստանից:

        ԱՄՆ-ն, Եվրոպական միությունը եւ ՆԱՏՕ-ն հետեւողականորեն Հայաստանը ներգրավում են իրենց ազդեցության գոտի եւ նրան արդեն վերցրել են խնամքի տակ, ուշադրություն չդարձնելով տեղի վարչա-քաղաքական ղեկավարության կարծիքին: Ռուսները հրաշալի հասկանում են, որ չհասցնելով դեպի իրենց վերակողմնորոշել Վրաստանն ու Ադրբեջանը, կորցնում են Հայաստանը: Ընդ որում, կորցնում են լիովին տեխնոլոգիական:

        Հայաստանը փաստացի դուրս է եկել Ռուսաստանի հետ ռազմական պայմանավորվածություններից, ինչպես նաեւ ՀԱՊԿ-ից: Հայկական գործակալ «մտավորականությանը» մնում է եւս մեկ նամակ գրել Պուտինին՝ «Ես Ձեզ գրում եմ, ուրիշ ինչ կարող եմ անել»:

        Ռուսները նկատելի շփոթված են եւ չեն կարողացել առաջարկել որեւէ բան, բացի Երեւանում իրենց դեսպանի հիմար հայտարարություններից, ով հայտնի է որպես «վոլինկա»: Ի դեպ, Ռուսաստանի արձագանքի մասին խոսակցությունը՝ շուտով:

        - See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/arm/0/com....RJx8XCwV.dpuf

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        • #214
          Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

          Originally posted by Hakob View Post
          “Sorry, Armenia”-Russian presses start apologizing

          18:36, 16 January, 2015
          YEREVAN, 16 JANUARY, ARMENPRESS. “Sorry, Armenia”-this is the title of the article by journalist for “Moskovskij Komsomolets” Sergey Gaponov, expressing certainty that Russia’s elite and people need to apologize to the Armenian people, lay flowers and light candles in front of the Armenian Embassy as a sign of tribute to the members of the family that was killed in Gyumri. As “Armenpress” reports, the Russian journalist notes that handing Russian soldier Valery Permyakov over to Armenia’s investigators and the court under the charge of killing the six members of the Avetisyans in Gyumri on January 12 is not enough.

          The journalist also urges his country’s high-ranking officials to visit Armenia and apologize to the Armenians. “Our high-ranking officials need to meet with Armenia’s President and the people, and not just that. Russia must always provide assistance to the relatives of the family that was killed by a Russian soldier. Finally, people have to visit the embassy (Embassy of Armenia in the Russian Federation), lay many flowers and light candles there,” the journalist writes, adding: “That’s when we won’t lose our friends. That’s when I’ll see that my Russia is a great country.” The Russian“Vzglyad” newspaper writes that Russia has to draw serious conclusions from the tragedy that took place in Gyumri.
          Its an appalling behaviour from both the Russian side as well as Armenian President’s side.

          If the Russian side say anything now it will appear as if its under duress.

          As for our President who seem so keen to send condolences for every bus accident the world over,
          cannot pull himself to say a few comforting words to his compatriots.

          Just sick.

          .
          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          • #215
            Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

            Child survivor of Gyumri murder undergoes second surgery
            16.01.15



            The infant who survived the tragic family murder in Gyumri underwent his second surgery on Friday, the Ministry of Health says in a press release.

            Doctors made the decision to operate on the six-month-old Seryozha Avetisyan after an extended council which involved also a video conference with specialists from the top clinics of Israel, Freiburg (Germany), Moscow and St Petersburg (Russia).

            The child underwent the first surgery in Gyumri’s Austrian hospital where he was taken hours after the tragic incident left six in the family of seven killed. He was moved to Yerevan’s St Astvatsatsin Hospital a day later.

            The surgical intervention involved the insertion of ventricular drainage into the child’s cranial cavity. The head of the Polenov Russian Neurosurgical Institute, William Khachatryan conducted the surgery together with Armenian specialists.

            Minister Muradyan was at the clinic throughout the operation. Thanks to specialists’ efforts the intervention finished successfully. The child is now in an intensive care unit.

            His condition remains critical but stable.

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            • #216
              Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

              Armenia’s enemies could take advantage of situation – Tevan Poghosyan
              16.01.15


              In an interview with Tert.am, Heritage parliamentary group member Tevan Poghosyan commented on the Gyumri tragedy and events in Yerevan.

              He noted that Armenia’s society and authorities failed to prevent that situation by coordinated actions.

              Asked if Armenia’s law-enforcement agencies should consider a possibility of attempted destabilization of the situation in the country amid the public protests and indignation at the massacre in Gyumri, Mr Poghosyan said:

              “Certainly all the versions must be considered. The motive for the crime is not clear now. So the law-enforcers should most seriously consider the possibility of a premeditated crime to escalate tension in Armenia and provoke popular hostility.

              “And even if a transparent or impartial investigation reveals it was not a motive for the crime, I feel regret that our society, well aware of the possibility of certain forces making use of it, failed to be on the alert, while our law-enforcers failed to properly perform their duties to prevent the incidents.

              “We, both society and the government, could have taken necessary measures to prevent such a situation. The head of the Shirak diocese was right when he said that the criminal was calm, with a public defender attached to him, while Armenians were breaking one another’s scull. Why Armenians raise their hands to one another in Yerevan or in Gyumri? We should have prevented such situations.

              “The authorities should have informed the public of the developments from the very first day. Yesterday, Armenia’s prosecutor general was in Gyumri all day along. In the latter half of the day he gave promise to Gyumri residents, reminding them he had a family and was well aware of everything.

              “Policemen should have talked to Gyumri residents. People raised questions, without getting answers. So they had to find them. Of course, many people could have taken advantage of the situation. Being well aware of that, we must realize the necessity of responding during the very first day. And if mourning had been declared the first day, it would have been a political ‘message’ as well.

              “We must realize that our enemies are not asleep and trying to take advantage of instability in Armenia. Although it was an unprecedented incident, we could never predict its consequences and reaction to it. But we should have been able to take certain measures and conduct negotiations.”

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              • #217
                Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

                Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                Its an appalling behaviour from both the Russian side as well as Armenian President’s side.

                If the Russian side say anything now it will appear as if its under duress.

                As for our President who seem so keen to send condolences for every bus accident the world over,
                cannot pull himself to say a few comforting words to his compatriots.

                Just sick.

                .
                This tragedy is all, BUT what both Russia and our regime want us to bileive, because simply it can't be.
                They want us to accept the casual horrible murder theory, committed by a casual russian pig from Sibir, within a casual mentally insane phase, probably under alcohol.
                It can't be, since nothing can match within this presentation.
                If this guy did do the job alone, then how comes he did it so far from the base.... if he did it with enough brain to hide his crime of stealing water, how comes he killed everybody, including 2 children, the last 6 months old with a knife..., how comes all were still in their beds, not even one at the door???....and how comes someone clever enough to erase 3 generations of a family to hide his ID, leaves EVERYTHING behind to identify him, on the crime scene?? including his AK, his uniform, his boots with his name on it????
                How comes, if he was such an insane, that, after the massacre he committed, in an environment he ignored (he was new there, and in a part of the city so far from his base), he managed to walk undetected, after the alarm bells ringed, and hundred of Armenian cops knew his ID, he managed to cross more than 22 Km to the border, undetected, in a countryside not that easy to identify itself within???
                How comes no one heared any detonation within the home itself, not the neighbor....., if only one pig was at work, since all were within their beds??
                Maybe they were many assassins at work? May be they used silencers??

                Short, it can't be the way they want us to beleive.

                It is most probably a set up, with the evident aim, to interact, change the already master/vassal like relationship between Moskwa and our Regime, or between Moskwa and our Nation's Psyche/conscience/mind, which is evidently and definetly not the same.

                The parties that might have acted are, in theory:

                1/ Any of the Turkish sides, willing to deteriorate Russian/Armenian century old fraternity....
                2/ The "West", US...., with same aim.
                3/ Iran .....???
                4/ In theory only : Some Armenian mind, willing to get rid of Russia ??????
                5/ Russia itself.

                Given the conduct of Russia since the crime was discovered, what version seems likely?

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                • #218
                  Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

                  .

                  Some of the legal background to this tragedy.
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #219
                    Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

                    Yes this is definitely a strange case and it seems a setup/falseflag operation very much typical of the USA/Israel. I would not count the turks out either. If this is the work of the turk then they have done a very effective job which should be very concerning to Armenia and Russia. The results of this investigation will be interesting indeed even if we are lied to for even in a lie a spec of truth can be reveiled.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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                      Re: Russians will manage, what they do best: turn their friends into enemies....

                      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                      Yes this is definitely a strange case and it seems a setup/falseflag operation very much typical of the USA/Israel. I would not count the turks out either. If this is the work of the turk then they have done a very effective job which should be very concerning to Armenia and Russia. The results of this investigation will be interesting indeed even if we are lied to for even in a lie a spec of truth can be reveiled.
                      Definitely looks like a " false flag op" .
                      Also agree on the 3 potential culprits noted above. That's their style + monkey wrench in Armo/Russ relation is their goal.
                      Although Londontsi post about belated Russ apology is reasonable, I disagree.
                      The confusion of this horrific crime is to be expected. No sane group could expect this. To be stunned & scramble to make sense of the senseless + strange clues is understandable.
                      A sincere and national apology by Russia is in fact appropriate and much needed.
                      Don't believe this is Russia sending a message to us, but rather too many "false flag" markers.
                      Again I say ... The heartless conduct of the west/Israel/turc cannot be underestimated and cold blooded murder is merely a tool for this group.

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