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  • #31
    Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

    A few months old but still cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wvgvutTBB8
    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • #32
      Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

      Originally posted by Joseph View Post
      A few months old but still cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wvgvutTBB8
      that was awesome. Ideally I wish the two of them would annihilate each other off the face of the earth. But since this isn't fantasy world, it would advance our position an unreal amount if the the Kurds manage to establish some of form of autonomy across the length of our border.

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      • #33
        Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

        Originally posted by Mher View Post
        that was awesome. Ideally I wish the two of them would annihilate each other off the face of the earth. But since this isn't fantasy world, it would advance our position an unreal amount if the the Kurds manage to establish some of form of autonomy across the length of our border.
        Yes, it isn't fantasy world, more like bizarro world. But still I like your "annihilate each other" fantasy. How utterly appropriate that would be.
        Everything I'm reading on the kerd conduct in Syria says kerds want all northern tear of Syria. As they move into each area they try to intimidate the non kerd villagers and towns to leave under the pretext that it's for their saftey (sound familiar ?) and when their successful emediatly level al the non Kurd homes and set up defensive works to hold the land. They are using this conflict to expand their claims of "kerdistoon).
        Poor computer skills prevented me from posting the last conflict in recent days between them and the Assyrians. Basically they tried to run this game on some Assyrians that conjoined them to fight common foe. Then tried to assert their dominance over assyrian land. The Assyrians stomped them. One or two Assyrians were killed and I think at least 8 kerds bit the dust.
        When we hear of and allied kerd/Assyr force it's mostly kerd PR. The Assyrians are watching like a hawk as their experience with the ever so lovely low life's mirrors our experience.
        The kerd is using this conflict as an opportunity for them to grab more land.
        Yes, I suppose I have to agree with you about our western border, but it's with great (GREAT) reluctance.
        What lovely and precious neighbors they'll make.
        So looking forward to that. Well that and cancer. I hear cancer has its upside to, lol.

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        • #34
          Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

          Originally posted by Artashes View Post
          I hear cancer has its upside to, lol.
          There are 30+ million of them, they don’t have a paved road built on their own.
          I will trust a turk before I trust a kurd.

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          • #35
            Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

            Russia: Syria Peace Talks Must Include Kurds Despite Turkish 'Blackmail'

            Russia: Syria peace talks must include Kurds despite Turkish 'blackmail'
            http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/1.699608
            Foreign Minister Lavrov says Syrian President Assad was never offered asylum in Russia, takes stance opposite Turkey on Kurdish participation in peace talks.

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            • #36
              Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

              Originally posted by Artashes View Post
              Yes, it isn't fantasy world, more like bizarro world. But still I like your "annihilate each other" fantasy. How utterly appropriate that would be.
              Everything I'm reading on the kerd conduct in Syria says kerds want all northern tear of Syria. As they move into each area they try to intimidate the non kerd villagers and towns to leave under the pretext that it's for their saftey (sound familiar ?) and when their successful emediatly level al the non Kurd homes and set up defensive works to hold the land. They are using this conflict to expand their claims of "kerdistoon).
              Poor computer skills prevented me from posting the last conflict in recent days between them and the Assyrians. Basically they tried to run this game on some Assyrians that conjoined them to fight common foe. Then tried to assert their dominance over assyrian land. The Assyrians stomped them. One or two Assyrians were killed and I think at least 8 kerds bit the dust.
              When we hear of and allied kerd/Assyr force it's mostly kerd PR. The Assyrians are watching like a hawk as their experience with the ever so lovely low life's mirrors our experience.
              The kerd is using this conflict as an opportunity for them to grab more land.
              Yes, I suppose I have to agree with you about our western border, but it's with great (GREAT) reluctance.
              What lovely and precious neighbors they'll make.
              So looking forward to that. Well that and cancer. I hear cancer has its upside to, lol.
              I'm not so fond of the Assyrians as well.
              During the Lebanese Civil War, the Assyrians allied themselves with the fascist Christian Lebanese Forces militia (ouwwet) and fought against the Armenians.
              Every Assyrian I've met despises Armenians. One even told me that they prefer Muslims over Armenians. They're jealous as hell that they don't have a home land and we have one.
              Last edited by armnuke; 01-29-2016, 05:41 AM.

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              • #37
                Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

                If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
                At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.

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                • #38
                  Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

                  Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                  If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
                  At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.
                  I agree with this 100%.
                  General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                  • #39
                    Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

                    Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                    I'm not so fond of the Assyrians as well.
                    During the Lebanese Civil War, the Assyrians allied themselves with the fascist Christian Lebanese Forces militia (ouwwet) and fought against the Armenians.
                    Every Assyrian I've met despises Armenians. One even told me that they prefer Muslims over Armenians. They're jealous as hell that they don't have a home land and we have one.
                    The animosity between us and Assyr is more than their jealousness you mention and goes back much longer ago. All the way back to Haig & Bell. I read read somewhere they were the most vicious people of the era. I also read that one of the Armenian rulers who battled them, when he caught the Assyr ruler he was fighting, skinned him alive and made him eat his own flesh.
                    The hatred between us and them goes back long and is deep.
                    We have stood up for them in modern times moreso than the other way around. I couldn't emaginable giving them any kind of real power. Still, I think it's incumbent upon us to do the right thing toward them.
                    Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                    If the Kurds start winning in South and Eastern Turkey, which I believe they will, we have to act in a pragmatic way and take sides with the Kurds, rather than NATO Turkey.
                    At least Kurdish majority party, HDP, admitted and apologized for Kurdish actions during the Genocide. Better than denialist Turkey.
                    --- Kurd party admits genocide --- I read that too. Nothing more than a politicle ploy. When asked if any compensation was forthcoming , the reply was ... NO, the apology is enough. They are willing to run their mouth , the end. Every apology I've read goes from --- I'm sorry to the turc made us do it. Usually in the same sentence. Their apology is for public appearance and nothing more. You would need special scientific equipment to measure the depth of their shallowness.
                    But again I have to agree on your pragmatic reasoning. But it's with ever so great reluctance.
                    I cannot figure out who got less heart, kerd or turc, and no surprise how those two allied to our destruction. They both wanted the same thing ... Our land and wealth.
                    They are still fighting over that to this day.
                    Liked Mher's idea the best.
                    Ya, pragmatism wins for now.
                    Our march from the ashes of death continues.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Kurdish-Turkish Clashes

                      Originally posted by Artashes View Post
                      They both wanted the same thing ... Our land and wealth.
                      They are still fighting over that to this day.
                      That sums it up.

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