Thoughts on Tashnagtsootyoon...

[Dave]

Some say the Antelias catholicosate's apostolic christian ideology is stronger because it wasn't affected by the Soviet Union.

And if you are about to think that Arab Christian or Islamic ideology has infiltrated into the Antelias church, you're wrong. In Lebanon we were independent in managing these affairs.

[Baron Dants]

That's a bunch of crap...come on. You don't think that the Armenian church has one ideology? And even if one is "stronger" than the other, do you not think that since the Soviet Union no longer exists, it may be time to consolidate them?

I'm sure there are much more differences between the "strong" and the "weak" ideologies prevalent in Catholicism, yet their billions of people still manage to have one Pope!

[Dave]

Officially it has or it should have one ideology, no?

[Baron Dants]

What does?

[Dave]

The Armenian Apostolic Church.

[Baron Dants]

I think so. Then why 2 Gatoghigos-s?

[KotayKoskesh]

Some say the Antelias catholicosate's apostolic christian ideology is stronger because it wasn't affected by the Soviet Union.

And if you are about to think that Arab Christian or Islamic ideology has infiltrated into the Antelias church, you're wrong. In Lebanon we were independent in managing these affairs.

If Echmiadzin was affected by the soviet union why would the Antillas church not be affected by living in the middle-east ?

[Dave]

@KotayKoskesh

Maybe you didn't read the rest of my post. Arabs left us Armenians alone in managing these affairs. On the other hand, the soviet union tried to take advantage of anything - the Echmiadzin Catholicosate in this case - that might be able to spread their propaganda outside the union.

And if you are about to think that Arab Christian or Islamic ideology has infiltrated into the Antelias church, you're wrong. In Lebanon we were independent in managing these affairs.

@Diar Dants

Why 2 Catholicos? I gave a part of the answer you seek to KotayKoskesh. There are historical reasons also. The Armenian Catholicosate of Cilicia was the original Armenian Catholicosate that moved out of Armenia when it fell to the Seljuk Turks. A new Catholicosate was established in Echmiadzin later on...

So Echmiadzin is the original seat of the Armenian Catholicosate, but Antelias is the original Catholicosate itself. Both have equal rights to exist and cooperate now the the Soviet Union has fallen.

[Urfatzi]

Re: Thoughts on Tashnagtsootyoon...

AMAAAA meghk ek! SHAD! Either you guys are just ignorant, really narrow minded, or just plain dumb!

#1. I do agree if Tashnagtzootyoon was not around, Armenia would have been gone a LONGG time ago! yes ramgavar, hnchagyans faught, but who are you trying to fool to say all these things?
#2. This is one problem people in the AGBU you community have: thinking everything is about them, and everyone is out to get them. Buddy..you want me to give examples??? I will! Every year we do parties, educational nights, concerts....anything, just to get ALL armenians together. Everyone is invited...What happens? you guys and girls come, but no one from AGBU comes, because why? because it's these "tashnag dogs" who are organizing it. So what do the people in the executives in AGBU groups do? they organize a party the same night, trying to prove a point....when really it's pure stupidity. Now a days, some of these younger generations are seeing that we are not dogs, and what their parents have told them was not true...we don't bite.....so some of them start to come. Some are still hard headed....I also want to add, that we as well go to there parties, but every single party i have gone to i have 1) been treated like xxxx, 2) been asked to leave because i'm not "a part of them". The first time they actually let me in, cause they had no clue where i was from. When they saw they couldn't brainwash me, they didn't like it.
#3. Homenetmen does not teach kids to HATE people from AGBU. let me add, that in montreal, HMEM was the one who did start the scouting movement in a strong way amongst Armenians. then what happend? a bunch of rich people backed up AGBU to open up there own scouts, why? so they don't have to go to the tashnag agoump to be a scout. Homenetmen like all the organizations that are hamagirs to Tashnagtzootyoon do not spread hate. We as Armenians have an issue with the government and those who state that 1915 never did happen. I think every Armenian would have a problem with that, considering most of our families were brutally killed for no other reason than being Christian Armenians.
#4. I don't know who made that stupid comment saying tashnagtzootyoon is like the USSR or ottoman turks...considering the tashnagtzootyoon was the one who was fighting AGAINST them! i am asking you very kindly to never refer Tashnagtzootyoon to any of those filthy parties. It is an insult not to only Tashnagtzootyoon, but to Armenians! you are comparing the Tashnagtzootyoon to a communist party, or a party who whipped out more than 2/3rds our population! Kitch me ametzir!

Even if you don't like any party, the least you can do is respect them. I respect any party whos main goal is to make a better Armenia, and Tashnagtzootyoon happens to be the #1 advocate of this. It's the party who not only talks or writes, but also acts and works to make what they believe a reality! Kitch me aveli kitch khosetzek, yev aveli parik erek tzer Azkin hamar, desek inch gernank enel vorbes AZK!Miasnootyoon oozele shad tooroon eh, miasin ellale shad tejvar eh yete asank bidi medadzek. We all have different opinions...but asank bedk choonik ardahaydeloo