Thoughts on Tashnagtsootyoon...

[nakharar]

these incredible people kept the armenian spirit alive by means of terrorism, yes terrorism, but what you might look at as terrorism i look at as patriotism, Hampig Sassounian, Lisbon 5, LA 5.

If killing innocent people is defined as Armenian spirit you can keep it.
Those losers lie either dead in the gutter or waste in prison. Some role models indeed!

[hyedgha15]

when a whole world shuts you out, turns its back on you, and doesnt even give a flying fu*k about you, it is the only way. They are not innocent people, they all know the truth and they chose to deny it, if they are innocent then the modern day turk should accept the wrongdoings of their ancestors, and let justice be served, not make rules like going to prison for 10 years just for mentioning the word genocide. and you are right i will keep my heroes, and the tashnagtsootyoon will keep its heroes, because it is because of those heroes that we still have a little something that we can still call Armenia.

[Red Brigade]

these incredible people kept the armenian spirit alive by means of terrorism, yes terrorism, but what you might look at as terrorism i look at as patriotism

These both ridiculous and incredible people fought against ASALA which is the main reason that the Armenians of Western Europe are still Armenians, and the world does know about the Armenian Genocide.They have indeed done much in the past, but their contribution not only is nonsignificant now, but it is against the Armenian interests since all those parties care for only one thing, which is to eat money from the people.
Those Dashnaks of the present have nothing to do with the real past Dashnaks.

[hyedgha15]

there is no real point in posting and trying to make you all see the difference, because no matter what anyone does or says, you all will still have the same mindset you do. even when i were to say that it was the tashnagtsootyoon that kept the armenian flag, when others wanted to spit on it, that sang the words of the national anthem, when the rest wanted to change it, that commemorated april 24 every year while others wouldnt even remember such a date untill the late 1950's, that celebrates MAY 28 as the independence day of Armenia and not september what ever it is.

[Anonymouse]

there is no real point in posting and trying to make you all see the difference, because no matter what anyone does or says, you all will still have the same mindset you do. even when i were to say that it was the tashnagtsootyoon that kept the armenian flag, when others wanted to spit on it, that sang the words of the national anthem, when the rest wanted to change it, that commemorated april 24 every year while others wouldnt even remember such a date untill the late 1950's, that celebrates MAY 28 as the independence day of Armenia and not september what ever it is.

Yea, try living in the Soviet Union and see how well you are able to commemorate the genocide under Stalin. Sometimes it's wiser to think before you speak.

You then go on to claim the Dashnaks as the end all party, as that which has the answers to everything and did everything completely right. It sure was easy for the Dashnaks to commemorate the genocide when the Soviet Union banned them so they were guaranteed a virtual existence in the diaspora. Yea, that's why they deserve the credit for commemorating. When people subscribe to an idea or group that claims to have all the answers to everything, that is how deception occurs.

[CatWoman]

hyedgha I wholeheartedly agree with you! But I recommend you stop posting in this thread cause it's only gonna get your blood pressure up. Dashnaks have done so much for Armenia and the Armenians that no other party has... They kept our diaspora alive... They built the first Armenian schools for the diaspora... They're Turkey's number one enemy, and that's for a reason... They're the reason behind the improvements we're seeing in Armenia today... but for whatever reason, we have this anti-dashnak spirit in this forum!


And nakharar, they didn't kill "innocent people"... they knew exactly who their targets were and they well deserved it.

[winoman]

I'm not going to get into the debate per se - I do see some validity to the arguments of both sides though I for one am no fan of the Dashnags (or any of the IMO rather pathetic Armenian political parties). (Dashnags and ASALA are entirely two different things fundementally however) My Grandfather was very active in the Dashnags and with the ASALA sort of offshoot of his time...he obvioulsy believed in what he was doing and I think it was certainly worthwhile (as perhaps was an aspect of what ASALA did - but I don't believe that terroristic acts and [somewhat random/terroristic] murder can be condoned per se -also their "leadership" were just nuts and pshycopathic IMO - Nemesis was much more focused and justifyable i believe)...however you might be curious to know that he strongly advocated that none of his children or grandchildren be involved in the organization in any way..

[Red Brigade]

Those Dashnaks of the past have done many mistakes , but at least i could justify the stupidity of their actions because they at least fought for the independence.However their diplomacy was such ridiculous and childish, that it costed us very much.Their stupidity is the reason that the Soviets helped Kemal Ataturk, instead of us.

As for the present so called ''Dashanks'',they are not only evil because they eat the money of the people, like the rest of the parties, but they are traitors of the nation , since they have started to murder ASALA members , because they felt ''threatened'' by them, since ASALA has started to gain too much support by the diaspora and the ''poor'' so called Dashnaks felt that they would lose their influence and capital of the diaspora armenians.Not to mention that they are discriminating Hayastantsis and they prefer to have members wealthy $ Armenians , since the poor one's are of no use to them.
That more or less summarizes what Dashnaks are.
Not that the rest are any different.

Yea, try living in the Soviet Union and see how well you are able to commemorate the genocide under Stalin.

I wish that was the only foolish thing that Stalin did.You would be shocked if you knew that , that clown is the reason that the Soviets supported economically Kemal and as a result they won against Armenia and we lost Van.Although Dashank's diplomatic stupidity played a role as well.

[hyedgha15]

you all can sit here and bash on the Tashnags and the Tashnagtsootyoon all you want it still doesnt change the facts on what they have done for Armenia, the Diaspora, and the Armenian cause. You want to say they eat the peoples money, your right, thats why they open schools, churches, organization, fund homenetmen scouts, homenetmen athletics, camps, and even elderly homes and most importantly ANCA. And i bet my life that everyone who posted on this matter attends homentmen events, attends the live concerts of Karnig, even take part in scouts, play on the sports teams, and yet when it comes to it still open their mouths to talk crap. No one even remembers the heroes of the past, the blood that was shed, you all can care less, but yet they do by writing poems, and singing patriotic songs. Once again bash all you want, but the outcome remains unchanged, they still lead the race to re-uniting Armenia once again. Oh and for all of you who want to bash about the terrorism thing... it was the great khrimyan hairig that said after attending the meeting..."Everyone went into the bowl with Spoons made of iron and steel and were able to fill their plates, while we went in with spoons made out of paper"


Garmeer Gabooyd Narenchakooyn... Togh Meeshd Abree Tashnagtsootyoon

[Baron Dants]

Military might and terrorism are not to be confused.

And the mere fact that you think that they are "leading the race" to re-unite Armenians demonstrates that there is no real intention to re-unite Armenians. It wouldn't be a race if there were.

I posted this topic over a year ago now, and while I laugh at my rather sarcastic post, the point still stands. This party has become holy to many, and therefore, dangerous.