Thoughts on Tashnagtsootyoon...

[Tres Bien]

Tres Bien, what was done then, in the Soviet era, is now done. I point out the past only to show that there is a certain trend to change history. As for who did what, I don't care anymore, because it no longer is relevant to me. Thew new generation was not involved in the Cold War era. We have new things to work on.

the dashnags are saying one thing and doing another, that was my point.
while bashing armenia, they themselves never did anything to work with the recognizstion of the genocide.

Be it then,during soviet-union or now, they are the same political party.
if dasghnagtsakan'ere are so patrotic armenians , why did they work against/boycott soviet-armenia?
dashags are like capitalists, they would sell their own country (to americans)just to get in power.

[A.R.]

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the dashnags are saying one thing and doing another, that was my point.


AR
Show us proof and facts to make your case...


while bashing armenia, they themselves never did anything to work with the recognizstion of the genocide.


AR
This is the dumbest thing I have heard in a while... Do you know the ANC?
ANC who has been fighting tooth and nail for recognition of the Armenian Genocide around the world... ANC = Dashnaktsutiun



Be it then,during soviet-union or now, they are the same political party.
if dasghnagtsakan'ere are so patrotic armenians , why did they work against/boycott soviet-armenia?


AR
You and your "soviet" Armenia and Baron says Dashnaks live in the past, HA!
We crushed the Soviet Commies and Freed Armenia!!! Free and INDEPENDENT Armenia! The colors of Dashnaktsutiun are flying over Armenia
not some filthy Commie occupation flag/rag, burn with rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!




dashags are like capitalists, they would sell their own country (to americans)just to get in power.


AR
Dashnaks are not capitalists, you really should learn some facts
before you make a fool of yourself...

[A.R.]

The future of Armenia depends on selection of the development route. In terms of the present reality the possible route for selection are the following.

First, Armenia can once again ultimately merge with an empire. Presently, such this type of empire capabilities are with Russia. In the political field of Armenia, such an option is favored by the Communist Party of Armenia.

Secondly, Armenia can resort to US, fitting into the US-designed world model (like the countries of South America). The condition is to forget the history and system of values (forget is covered by an euphemism) and construct a country from zero. This option is favored by Armenian National Movement with its satellites.

Thirdly, Armenia can become a national country, overcoming periodical difficulties and reviving the concept of Armenian ideology. This option is favored
by ARF Dashnaktsutiun with its supporters.Today Armenia is going thru a transitional period where the first and the second options are being forwarded.

Samvel Evoyan (Droshak)

[dstyle]

Haha this is hillarious.

[nairi]

The colors of Dashnaktsutiun are flying over Armenia
not some filthy Commie occupation flag/rag, burn with rage!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this is exactly the problem with Dashnaks: they want to take over. They know no democracy, just like the Soviet Union. From that perspective, Dashnaks are no better that Soviets, or for that matter Ottomans. Get over it.

[xBaron Dants]

lol! The Dashnaktsutyun: the unsung heroes of the Cold War.

The fall of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with ethnic conflicts, corruption, and a failed economy. No no....that was all secondary. It was the DASHNAKS who crushed the Soviet Union.



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[dstyle]

No offense to anyone, I'm sure most of you will take offense but oh well. If the ARF wanted too take over Armenia it would have already been done.
We'll leave our being Armenian to the Ramgavars arrrr the AGBU, then most of us would be talking Turkish instead of Armenian.
sighhhh

[A.R.]

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See the true face of the Ramkavars below...


"It is time to say what we used not to say. I believe the reason for our misunderstandings is that we are two different nations. Armenia belongs to the Caucasus and the Diaspora with its Constantinople roots and various influences is completely different. We are similar in origins, in language, but quite opposite in philosophies."

RAMKAVAR central headquarter co-president, literature critic Yervand Azatian. Ramgavar co president Yervand Azatian seems to be determined to keep the Armenian nation divided...
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Internal Ramkavar Fascism


By Taron Mkhitarian

Disseminating hatred between people and dividing a nation has always caused negative, if not destructive, results.

Armenians have occasional witnessed such phenomena throughout their history. Moreover, the Genocide of 1915 is the bloody consequence of that phenomenon.

However, if it used to be initiated by an external force like fascism, recently certain individuals from inside the nation have gone for that.
In the 25th issue of the Orer monthly which is published in Europe, the co-president of Democratic Liberal Party {Ramgavar} (DLP) central headquarter, literature critic Yervand Azatian completely destroyed all images and formulations of national unity, possibilities, and joint efforts.

"It is time to say what we used not to say. I believe the reason for our misunderstandings is that we are two different nations. Armenia belongs to the Caucasus and the Diaspora with its Constantinople roots and various influences is completely different. We are similar in origins, in language, but quite opposite in philosophies." This formulation can probably compete with only Levon Ter-Petrosian's phrase about "orange eaters" and local Armenians.

Yervand Azatian's idea is another case of separation between the two branches of Armenians among similar attempts of the Soviet rule and former authorities.

First of all, Yervand Azatian in his haste to separate Armenians into different nations forgot about the Iranian Armenians who have never been Caucasian. This is just a note. But in fact, the danger of Azatian's opinion is much deeper and noteworthy, otherwise it may spread around and get out of control.

He forgets that Armenians have one, general motherland which is the uniting factor for any nation. In these terms, it does not matter if a part of the homeland is occupied or not. In this case, the Diaspora did not willingly leave the Armenia and this separation cannot split the nation. On the other hand, the Diaspora was formed due to that deportation, as well a new meaning was given to Azatian's "Caucasian Armenia."

Today, every third resident of Armenia has Western Armenian origins. In addition, many of us have relatives in Diaspora.
If the Diaspora has "Constantinople roots," what does it make the Armenians who emigrated from Cilicia and other parts of Western Armenia? The Armenian culture of Constantinople has truly much contributed to the Western Armenian branch, but it cannot be considered comprehensive.

Azatian ignores the fact that the whole cultural background, wealth, history, national and religious traditions of Armenians are common. Nobody can be proclaimed to be its only possessor. And this kind of cultural, spiritual field is another criterion for a nation as one.
The Diaspora is an part of our nation, but not as a separate unit.

The very presentation of the Diaspora as a separate, split unit endangers the political issues of our country which are related to the recognition of the Armenian Genocide.
The Diaspora is not a landless unit but a part of Armenia brutally torn away from the motherland by the Genocide.

Such separations are especially unwelcome now that the modern technologies are erasing boundaries and attempts are made to make our nation more united.

As a result of various segregations a whole nation in the Balkans underwent the tragedy of ethnic cleansing. The same nation split into pieces on religious basis and people were full of hatred to each other.
We would advise this modern fascism ideologist and moreover a national party leader to forget that thesis the sooner the better.

http://www.yerkir.am/eng/index.php?sub=newspaper_arm&exp=policy&month=03&year=2004&number=12&id=3683

[A.R.]

And this is exactly the problem with Dashnaks: they want to take over.




AR
Isn`t that the goal of mostly all political
parties around the world? DUHHH...




They know no democracy just like the Soviet Union. From that perspective, Dashnaks are no better that Soviets, or for that matter Ottomans.




AR
That is ludacris...




Get over it.



AR
Yawn....

[A.R.]

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lol! The Dashnaktsutyun: the unsung heroes of the Cold War.




AR
Whats so funny?




The fall of the Soviet Union had nothing to do with ethnic conflicts, corruption, and a failed economy. No no....that was all secondary. It was the DASHNAKS who crushed the Soviet Union.



AR
What colors are flying over once OCCUPIED "Soviet"
Armenia? You know those same colors Ramkavar AGBU would have nothing
to do with before INDEPENDENCE? You know the "Dashnak Flag" who
during INDEPENDENCE the Ramkavars had to ask Dashnaks to "borrow"
cause they did`nt have one These are just facts...
This is the REAL history of the TRI Color we love so much






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AR
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