Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I do not see why Turkey would emphasise this much on accepting its territorial integrity through past treaties if our case for lost lands was as hopeless as some people claim they are. The Turk is not stupid, it has engaged in clever diplomacy for 600 years while we have succumbed time and time again to various empires.

Succuming to different empires is the natural result of our geography not poor decision making, my god i have been over this too already. Do you honestly think that the turcks or anyone else for that matter is smarter then the armenians? Do you honestly think we were anywhere near getting western armenia back by using some documents? You guys gotta start giving armenians a bit more credit then this, we are smarter, shrewder and more intellectually capable then most other races and have proved this over and over again, we are a small nation with few people yet we are ranked third world wide in chess, our merchants are among the richest and most successsful on earth, our scientist made the migs, mri...Quit selling yourself short already, Armenias leaders are not dumb and they are not sellouts either. They live in the country and must live with the results of their decisions unlike the diaspora.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Now thats what I call blowing smoke under someones arse.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

‘If the People Oppose it, What Right do We have to Sign,’
Says Markarian


YEREVAN (ARF Press Office)—When the people express their firm opposition to the protocols then how dare the leadership sign them? This question was posed Thursday by Armenian Revolutionary Federation Bureau chairman Hrant Markarian at a conference addressing the Armenia-Turkey protocols and relations between the two countries.

Markarian sent a terse warning to those who are opting to divide—create a schism—between Armenia and the Diaspora.

“The Diaspora is the continuation of our homeland—they are us! We cannot, even in our minds, fathom dividing our nation,” said Markarian, who was referring to the vocal opposition expressed by the Diaspora during President Serzh Sarkisian’s so-called “pan-Armenian tour,” and the manner in which the president has decided to ignore the concerns expressed during his visits to Paris, New York, Los Angeles, Beirut and Rostov-on-Don.

Markarian went on to illustrate that from the onset it was clear that the protocol-mandated public discussion period was nothing more than a formality, since it was announced that there was no room to amend the documents. There was fierce reaction to the government’s “There’s no discussion, we are going to sign,” formulation.

“The Genocide issue is an open wound. Do not attempt to touch that nerve, because the reaction will be unpredictable,” said Markarian.

The ARF leader pledged that while his party is going to fight against the protocols and the entire process, nevertheless, it is willing to work with the authorities to find a way out. However, he said, if the appropriate response is not given by the authorities “We will go to the end—we will seek regime change.”

He explained: “Regime change is not self-serving and we are not seeking to change the bad with worse. It is finally time that our people knowledgably and in an organized manner, bring such a regime to power, which it will not want to change immediately,” explained Markarian.

“We are advocating for the same thing everywhere: The ARF is opposed to these protocols. We are stating this based on our experience and our struggle, seeing clear and present dangers. Those who view the ARF as one of 60 parties working in Armenia are very mistaken,” said Markarian.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

"When the people express their firm opposition to the protocols then how dare the leadership sign them?"

Most people in Armenia are not opposed to this agreement and it is the people of Armenia that will live with it, be effected the most by it and therefor decide on it. You want different results? Go get your citizenship and participate.

[Federate]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

But when diaspora assists Armenia in investments and lobbying then it is alright for their opinion and participation, right?

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

"When the people express their firm opposition to the protocols then how dare the leadership sign them?"

Most people in Armenia are not opposed to this agreement and it is the people of Armenia that will live with it, be effected the most by it and therefor decide on it. You want different results? Go get your citizenship and participate.

Now that is bull, there's no real opposition left in Armenia to speak of don't give me that get your papers bullshiat you vodka-sucker.
Thanks to the so called close elections forced by the no 1 trader der-Petrosyan gave the Russian Mafia government of Armenia





the excuse to tighten their grip on the people and eliminate any real potential opposition. They're all in it together and i think so are you, selling what our people died defending for a few rubles, shame...

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

But when diaspora assists Armenia in investments and lobbying then it is alright for their opinion and participation, right?

No! If you wana participate in legislation and foreighn relations affecting Armenia then you have to be willing to be effected by those decisions. You cannot declair war between two countries while you are in neither one and not feeling the consequences of the decision. If you want to participate in the said things you go move to Armenia, get citizenship and participate all you like.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Now that is bull, there's no real opposition left in Armenia to speak of don't give me that get your papers bullshiat you vodka-sucker.
Thanks to the so called close elections forced by the no 1 trader der-Petrosyan gave the Russian Mafia government of Armenia the excuse to tighten their grip on the people and eliminate any real potential opposition. They're all in it together and i think so are you, selling what our people died defending for a few rubles, shame...

Yeh i deserve to get paid for putting up with people like you alright. You lose your argument then you start with the insults, that is so typical. What is it you think our people died for? So people like you can destroy whats left of Armenia with your stupid decision making? I dont think so. And if you have some vodka sure ill drink it.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Yeh i deserve to get paid for putting up with people like you alright. You lose your argument then you start with the insults, that is so typical. What is it you think our people died for? So people like you can destroy whats left of Armenia with your stupid decision making? I dont think so. And if you have some vodka sure ill drink it.

Thare now I got you!!!!!
Your not an Armenian (nor a Turk)

That self pity for trying to help us putting up with the strife we give you bullshiat character of only one kind of people xxx, that's what you are you gave it away self pity is too irresistible for your kind which only kicks in (when you think your ahead btw) you will be sorely mistaken mister for underestimating the will of us Armenians Mr. jiew.
Also, don't ever try to preach to us Armenians the virtues of our national character, go blow smoke up the Turks arse, which I'm sure what your kind is used to.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Thare now I got you!!!!!
Your not an Armenian (nor a Turk)

That self pity for trying to help us putting up with the strife we give you bullshiat character of only one kind of people xxx, that's what you are you gave it away self pity is too irresistible for your kind which only kicks in (when you think your ahead btw) you will be sorely mistaken mister for underestimating the will of us Armenians Mr. jiew.
Also, don't ever try to preach to us Armenians the virtues of our national character, go blow smoke up the Turks arse, which I'm sure what your kind is used to.

So now i am a xxx? Look kid i was armenian when you werent even born yet. Instead of insulting why dont you go do some learning and brush up your arguement skills so you can use more then just quotes from other people and insults to backup your arguments.