Armenian-Turkish Relations

[gegev]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Turkey is saying Armenia is not a threat to us.
What they are not saying, we are not a threat to Armenia.
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Removing us from the list; Turkey says: Armenians are not intended (or don't dare) to take back their 1,500,000 brothers/sisters land/home/property, that we killed. If so ... Armenia is not a threat to Turkey.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Turkey is saying Armenia is not a threat to us.

What they are not saying, we are not a threat to Armenia.


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[gegev]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

They removed us form the list ....

Turks killed 1,500,000 Armenians to seize their land, home and property. Now ...

... they removed us from their list of state enemies..

they want to hit following two desired goals using the bullet above:

First: posing to the world like a good guy, at no expense to Turkey, as opposed to Armenia.

Secondly: after getting praised for this move by the world/superpowers and later on, by Armenian officials; who in advance had been “slightly urged” by US. Turks would be sure that “friendly" Armenia, doesn’t pose a threat to them, can’t demand retribution of their land, home and property above; because it "violates" Turkey’s “territorial integrity” and it would contradict “good will” act the Armenian side praised, too.

I’m sure, our FM Edvard Nal-bandyan wouldn’t notice/predict and criticize the trap above; to comply with the dictate and praise Turkey.

Turkey can look like a good guy only after accepting AG.
In this case it looks like a cheap guy.

with it's cheap lie.

[Mos]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Well they removed us from their list of state enemies, and added Israel. Time to partner up with Israel...

[arakeretzig]

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turks are such a pain in the ass, the world would be a better place without them.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

man, why can't turkey just xxxx off already? This Turkish-Armenian relations agenda is such a waste of time and money.
What can be done to get rid of them once and for all?

Turks are thinking about us in those same terms.
The reality is both are here to stay.
Brushing them aside is not the answer.

[arakeretzig]

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man, why can't turkey just xxxx off already? This Turkish-Armenian relations agenda is such a waste of time and money. What can be done to get rid of them once and for all?

[londontsi]

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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=us-elections-mixed-blessing-for-turkey-2010-11-04

US midterm elections reset lobby dynamics for Turkey

A more Republican-leaning Congress brought by Tuesday's midterm elections in the United States is a mixed blessing for the future of the U.S.-Turkish relationship, diplomats and analysts said Thursday.

"We eventually got rid of the Californian gang, and it's good," said one Turkish diplomat privately, referring to campaign losses for both Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Democrat Howard Berman, who were known to be hostile to Turkey. California has a large Armenian community.

Pelosi will cede her post to the present Republican minority leader, John Boehner, with whom Turkish diplomats have good working relations.

Berman, the pro-Armenian chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, will also be replaced by a Republican, likely Ileana Ros-Lehtinen.

The changes affecting Turkey mirrored the trend across the country, as Tuesday's midterm elections dealt a massive upset to Democratic President Barack Obama, with the opposition Republicans regaining the control of the House of Representatives, Congress' lower chamber. The Democrats managed to keep their control in the Senate, Congress' upper chamber, but their formerly comfortable majority diminished.

For Turkey, however, the so-called Armenian lobby remains strong in both houses of Congress. For example, Republican Representative Mark Kirk of Illinois, a leading sponsor of the "Armenian Genocide" resolution in the House, won his election bid to the U.S. Senate in Illinois, filling the seat once held by Obama.

Also in a hotly contested race, Senate majority leader Harry Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, an "Armenian Genocide" resolution co-sponsor, won re-election, as did the same bill's other co-sponsors, Senators Barbara Boxer, a Democrat from California, and Charles Schumer, a Democrat from New York.

In the House, all major pro-Armenian lawmakers were re-elected, with the exception of George Radanovich, a Republican from California, who previously announced his decision not to run again.

In the 1990s, Turkish diplomats dealing with the United States had a motto: "Democratic presidents and Republican Congresses,” since Republicans were less concerned about Turkey’s human rights history.

The situation in Turkey, however, has changed in the last 15 years or so. Whereas Turkey was once a loyal ally of the United States, it now has its own independent foreign policies and initiatives, particularly in the Middle East, including rapidly improving ties with Iran and Syria and a worsening relationship with Israel. As such, many U.S. conservatives, especially in the Republican Party, are upset with Turkey.

Lame-duck sessions
The new Congress to be elected Tuesday will take office Jan. 3, and any congressional sessions between now and the New Year are called "lame duck" sessions. There is a slight chance two important things could happen for Turkey during the lame-duck sessions. First, there has been no U.S. ambassador in Ankara for more than three months. Obama's ambassadorial nominee for Ankara, Frank Ricciardone, has so far failed to win Senate confirmation as prominent Republican Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas has effectively blocked Ricciardone’s nomination.

Ricciardone can at best be confirmed in the Senate's lame-duck sessions beginning in mid-November on the condition that Brownback lifts his veto. Brownback was elected governor of Kansas on Tuesday and will leave his Senate job at the end of the year.

If Brownback were to lift his hold on Ricciardone – despite there being no sign of such intent – and the Senate confirmed Ricciardone, the latter could take his job in Ankara. However, if Brownsback does not lift his veto and the Congress does not vote for Ricciardone, the Ankara envoy’s seat will remain vacant at least until the new Congress is convened in January.

Secondly, Turkey is also concerned about a vote on the "Armenian genocide" resolution pending in the House of Representatives during the lame-duck season.

The House Committee on Foreign Affairs narrowly approved the "genocide" bill in March, and the resolution is awaiting a possible vote on the House floor. U.S. Armenians are seeking a vote on the resolution in one of the lame-duck sessions, but Obama's administration is standing resolutely against this bill.

Many Republicans are ultimately angry about Ankara's rapprochement with Iran and the new hostile relationship between Turkey and Israel; if this situation continues, they could take hostile action against Turkey.

Moreover, if pro-Armenian deputies do not bring forth a “genocide” resolution bill during the lame-duck sessions, they could conceivably reintroduce such a bill after Jan. 3. Many Republicans, angry with Turkey, could back these bills.

[Christina]

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I believe you.

Then that is not good for Armenia. Because Christianity is the basis of
Armenia. Mosques are centers for members to try to convert the good
Christians.

If Saudi Arabia does not allow Churches in their land, then neither
should Armenia.

Armenia is for the Armenian people first and also for those who
are in like minded Christian Apostolic tradition. This is the faith that
links a people into a community.

The Christians must not be gullible to being converted or influenced.

This can undermine any people and nation.

Armenian for the Armenians and their Proud Spirit!

(But look at Europe: okay, now the muslims are carrying on they need
and want more than one mosque in a city or nation.) so that is let's
hope I do not hear there is more than one in Yerevan now.

That is a tragedy for the Armenian people. It is also this for all
devout Christians.

[arakeretzig]

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Let's remember one thing: the turks is a name. They are muslims first.
(Oh if they would only repent and accept the Lord)...I know that is another
ball game.

If they were anything else, as i said in another thread, everyone would be
labeling them, ie. TOG() IAD(). fill in the label.

Muslims regardless of what nation are building mosques as fast as making pancakes.

They would love to build one in Yerevan.

Greek meaning with ultimate oath of passion: "freedom or death."

There is already one in Yerevan