I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

[BARIŞ]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

Barış Bey,
Your questions are at the level of a school child.

Too unkind

Do you know any smart person who kills his servant who serves him Armenians served Ottomans at a superior level for hundreds of years with their talents, skills, knowledge so why would Ottomans kill such useful people? .

We Turks are always grateful for those Armenians who helped us.As you said there must be a reason other than pure hatred.

But when they claimed independence and threatened the empire's sovereignty.

Then you see the reason.Empire did nothing just out of hatred,unlike some Armenians claim.

Ottomans didnt hasitate to exterminate them..

Empire did not try to externinate Armenians,it was nothing but a disorganized seperation of rebellious Armenians from innocent Turkish women and children(During that period,most of Turks were on millitary service)

This wasnt a racist genocide but a pragmatic genocide..

There had been many rebellions like that of the Armenians.If she had tried to destroy every nation that had rebelled,there would not have been an empire concept.Nor did she exile every rebel.But the intricate fuss during which Armenian rebellion happened required some quick solution.Exiled Armenians that died during 'tehcir',unfortunately died,not because of the aim of genocide,but because of the disorganized execution of the bill,due to the fuss.
The bill that had Armenians exiled during that period is known as 'Tehcir Kanunu'.I suggest that you look for what 'techir' means.

And Ottomans hadn't hesitated in the past to make these kind of massacres, they even slaughtered hundred thousands of Turkish Alevis in the Mid-Eastern Anatolia at the time of Yavuz Sultan Selim. Ottomans were very strict about dominance.

It seems that you don't speak of a genocide.You are right.What happened there was not also a genocide,as the reaction to the rebellion of Armenians was not a genocide,whether for pure hatred or not

[BARIŞ]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

You should talk to some Greeks and Kurds to start.

I understand why you holy Armenians don't distinguish between war,reaction to rebellion and genocide,because you are not taught of an Empire outlook.There is a sharp difference between innocent xxxs who had been killed out of nothing and rebellious Armenians who had raped Turkish women while men were under millitary service.Besides,empire didn't try to destroy the Armenians unlike that of xxxs,just trying to put and end to a disgusting rebellion.
Nor did Turkey try to destroy Kurds.Some of them,who were disillusioned like rebellious Armenians in 1915, tried to destroy Turkey as rebellious Armenians did in 1915.Maybe you won't believe,but I have a Kurd friend,Aligül, now sitting next to me,and he has nothing to say againist my words about Kurd rebels,as he knows well of that thing.

[BARIŞ]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

Like I said, what country in the world likes Turks. They would get a lot of respect if they were to just admit what they did in 1915.

Throughout history,Turks have mostly been the ones ruling,whether well or not.So it is natural that Turks have gained some hatred.Other cases have derived from that Turks have not needed to get some praise.
Turks are self-sufficient in terms of getting respect.Being loved or hated by 70 millions is of enough significance.

[tirvana]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

But when they claimed independence and threatened the empire's sovereignty, Ottomans didnt hasitate to exterminate them

what do you mean by saying exterminate? Of course while people who claim independence, not just claim, they have guns, they battle against to other side with whom they had lived for 600 years. At that time also innocent 200.000 turks were killed by armenian gangs in Anatolia,so Armanians aren't always victim or innocent people, they know also to kill
And it was a deportation. And they were not deported another country, they were deported another region which belongs to the empire. If the empire hadn't deported them, they would have been killed by some turks whose relatives killed by some armenian gangs. what should the Ottoman empire have done instead of deportation?
And Imperialism give armenians a hope and they were in the military uniforms of France, all of which were given by france to armenians so that these armenians died instead of france soldiers (it explains current situation very well). It is really very tragic situation. And yes turks are savage , cause they were betrayed by armenians, they defend their home against not only to russia, great britain, italy, france, greece but also against to some traitors at home. Turks beated imperialsm at that time, but imperialist games will continue always...

[Vagharshapat]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

You dont understand, there is always a reason for genocide. A genocide is not only exterminating one race with a racist reason or out of hate, it can be exterminating a race for any reason, for example a political reason, a pragmatic reason what ever it can be. Even the genocide of Jevs had a pragmatic reason, because the Jevs owned the economical, the political power, the universities, the press, commerce in Europe. I say: WHATEVER the reason is there is a Planned, Organised GENOCIDE! This is the Truth and nobody can deny that. I have read lots of accounts about it. You are so naive about this "tehcir". You have no information about what happened, because you have never read about the victims and eyewitnesses and you are still talking.

[tirvana]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

You dont understand, there is always a reason for genocide. A genocide is not only exterminating one race with a racist reason or out of hate, it can be exterminating a race for any reason, for example a political reason, a pragmatic reason what ever it can be. Even the genocide of Jevs had a pragmatic reason, because the Jevs owned the economical, the political power, the universities, the press, commerce in Europe. I say: WHATEVER the reason is there is a Planned, Organised GENOCIDE! This is the Truth and nobody can deny that.

Are you kidding? If one race in the country rebel, there is a war. How can you named a war as a genocide. throughout 600 years, why there arent a skirmi. How were there many armenians who are deputy, minister and manager in some goverment services in Ottoman Empire at that time. What a kind of nonsense you mention about? Dıd Jevs rebel or began to kill german people with the aim of founding a country?
If one race begin to fight another, this means other side will fight , too. How can you claim a systematic and planned genocide? Did turks wanted armenians to start a fight at the time of world War I? Ad you equated Holocaust with this issue. Are you OK?

I have read lots of accounts about it. You are so naive about this "tehcir". You have no information about what happened, because you have never read about the victims and eyewitnesses and you are still talking.

Yes, we alwyas hear many many stories everytime. But there must be some evidences. I want to ask something ; Turkish goverment always says "We have already opened our archives to those who claim there was a genocide. If they are sincere, they should also open theirs. This would allow historians to work on documents on both sides and team of historians from both sides should conduct studies in these archieves"11 March 2005. However Armenian side says there is no need to discuss the Armenian allegations, because they are already "proven". Armenian Foreign Minister Oskanyan said the problem is "political" and Armenia does not need to discuss the ‘genocide’ argument with the Turkish side. Why these people hasitate to discuss this situation. They have a chance to prove "genocide" to all of the world, but they hasitate...

[Sip]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

.... But there must be some evidences.

This is where most Turks who show here seem to be looking for the "evidences". And of course all they find is ...

[Sip]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

If you want "evidence", just start reading the archives of this forum before creating a thread on a topic that has been discussed and put to sleep hundreds of times. You are also encouraged to search many other forums on the same topic. Unless you have something new to bring to the table, just showing up and saying "there is no evidence" is, for the lack of a better word, "stupid".

[tirvana]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

This is where most Turks who show here seem to be looking for the "evidences". And of course all they find is ...

Thanks , you re always the best in producing imaginary things

[tirvana]

Re: I am,as a Turk,really sorry for the genocide

If you want "evidence", just start reading the archives of this forum

And I advise you to come Turkey and start to search Ottoman archives instead of some forums.
And I would want to see the armenian archives in armenia, but the archives is not open there.(maybe they could't produce something on formal documents)