Armenian Georgian Relations

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

worse case, if georgia shuts the border, we will invade with russia and make a corridor to south ossetia, problem solved. US/Turkey/Azeris can go to hell.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

[gegev]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

worse case, if georgia shuts the border, we will invade with russia and make a corridor to south ossetia, problem solved. US/Turkey/Azeris can go to hell.

US and EU didn’t allow them to close the borders, otherwise they had been doing it, long ago, under the Azeri/Turkey pressure.

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

^^^ Interesting gegev, didn't know that, I assumed it was Russia.

In regards to your question:
Relations should remain cooperative; however the Javakh issue must be solved if Georgia wants Armenia to mediate their relations with Russia. With that in mind and their strong relations with Azeris and Turks, Armenia should lobby vigorously in upper house of Russia to annex part of Georgia to create a corridor that would give a common border with Russia and an access to Black Sea (Abkhazia-Poti-Ajaria-Javakheti corridor).
The threat of carving such a corridor can also be used against Suckissvelly to curve the treatment of the Armenians in Javakh and the use of their airspace in case a war starts with Azerbaijan.

[arakeretzig]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

We really need georgia on our side, it's best for both countries, but if they try to screw us over big time, it wont end too well for them either. If anything, Turks/Azeris would love to carve georgia up and build a corridor to bypass armenia, and that day we'll be the ones who'll try to save their asses..

[Federate]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Any war with Georgia, however undesirable at the moment, must be openly supported by Russia if it is to succeed and Armenia stay afloat economically.

[gegev]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

^^^ Interesting gegev, didn't know that, I assumed it was Russia.
...

Eddo, I guess, In recent years it couldn't be Russia, or only Russia.

Azeri/Turk alliance now is fighting against us through Georgia.

Saakashvili’s methodic actions are intended to humiliate Javakh Armenian population, seize our churches and make territorial claims on Armenian-Georgian border issue. It vividly indicates that the Azeries/Turks ordered/threatened and paid him to do that.

To provoke/fabricate Javakh Armenian population uprising against Georgia and claiming that it is done by the “aggressor”-Armenia; which does the same with Azeries. Thus supplying Azeries with additional strong tool to “prove” their Arthakh claims.

I think that our government/president wishful thinking; that we should be patient with Saakashvili/Georgia, for a while, until the Arthakh issue is settled, didn’t work.

Saakashvili knows it, and he is going to augment the pressure to the point, that no human being, that has a little bit self-esteem, would bare it. I know that we are landlocked county, but I think he, for sure, will do everything to provoke Javakh and Armenian population, we have no chance to prevent it. Besides, US and EU didn’t allow them to close the borders, otherwise they had been doing it, long ago, under the Azeri/Turkey pressure.

You know, he was eating his tie; cowards are able doing everything unimaginable, if frightened properly by Azeri/Turks.

Now, I think, our president must declare officially about this to the world, UN, etc. and then start acting against them appropriately. I think at this point this is the only way to confront Azeri-Turkey-Georgia joint plan.

We need to do this now urgently, Saakashvili is ordered/threatened/paid to carry out the actions above, before the Arthakh issue settlement, to help Azeries.

Any comments?

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

Any war with Georgia, however undesirable at the moment, must be openly supported by Russia if it is to succeed and Armenia stay afloat economically.

Indeed. Realisticly, it would not work any other way. The flipside though is, how would the turks and the azeri's react? Would they resort to an attack on Armenia?
I'm sure these are questions that will be taken into account if the chance of war with georgia was very high, but for now we can only speculate with the open source info that we have.

[gegev]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

^^^ Interesting gegev, didn't know that, I assumed it was Russia.
In regards to your question:
Relations should remain cooperative; however the Javakh issue must be solved if Georgia wants Armenia to mediate their relations with Russia. With that in mind and their strong relations with Azeris and Turks, Armenia should lobby vigorously in upper house of Russia to annex part of Georgia to create a corridor that would give a common border with Russia and an access to Black Sea (Abkhazia-Poti-Ajaria-Javakheti corridor).
The threat of carving such a corridor can also be used against Suckissvelly to curve the treatment of the Armenians in Javakh and the use of their airspace in case a war starts with Azerbaijan.

If Azeries will start the war against Armenia, it would be perfect time for Russia to carry out the plan, you pointed out. Using the fact that Georgia is trying to help Azeries and Ajaria, Javakh minorities discrimination. At that point, other strong arguments would be available, too.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

If Azeries will start the war against Armenia, it would be perfect time for Russia to carry out the plan, you pointed out. Using the fact that Georgia is trying to help Azeries. At that point, other strong arguments would be available, too.

Indeed, and this is a more realistic way of getting access to the Black Sea than all the talk about recovering Western Armenia. If we can not have a direct link to the Black Sea than a link via proxy, Adjara, would be the next best thing. But Armenia having a direct border with Russia is just as important as having access to the Black Sea.