Elections in Armenia

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Amrotz, at face value, ideally, I agree with you. Naturally, our strength, our potential, comes with our national unity. However, how would you expect to, let's say, work with a Levin Petrostein supporter, or an Ara Baliozian? The people who support these types of human garbage are diametrically opposed to anything that a self-respecting Armenian nationalist believes in. Sadly, these types of individuals constitute a majority in our people. Therefore, what unity, Amrotz? It simply can't happen. Such type of unity doesn't exist anywhere, even amongst Jews it does not exist. Have to seen how viciously Zionist Jews treat liberal Jews? One of the fundamental differences between us and western nations is that western nations have already eliminated serious political dissent in their nations and are now free to pursue their national interests without hindrance while they preach dissent in other countries. And we have many Armenian low lives today that have made it their life's purpose to propagate such national dissent. The fact of the matter is, the "unity" we speak about can only come about by suppressing/eliminating the worthless 'weed' that grows within our population worldwide. I believe that we can't have "unity" by tolerating or attempting to embrace the idiotic filth that exits in our nation. When we are able to somehow eliminate the worthless weed in our nation - "unity" will come naturally.

These forum attacks on each other are the perfect example of what is wrong with our people. When are you going to put your emotions aside and think? Any Armenian whether from Armenia or Diaspora has not only the right to have an opinion but also have the right to live in Armenia, so stop slandering each other because one was born in Armenia and the other was not, or because one has a passport and the other has not. Who cares where an Armenian was born? Who cares what passport he holds? Ask this: Does he regard himself an Armenian? If the answer is “yes” then that’s it – that’s all that matters. We have to work together to achieve what we are all should be after: The Justice for our Nahataks of the most horrific crime perpetrated in the modern times. The Turks have wiped out half of our nation and stole our lands - instead of fighting the bastards at every front we are getting at each others throats. Wake up to yourselves! LTP and his backers are absolutely not interested in confronting the Turkish government with regards to the Armenian Genocide, that alone is a reason enough to boycott these morons. Plus, LTP has more criminal clans behind him that you can imagine and to those people, to those clans, the national aspirations are incomprehensible, they just don’t give a damn. The same goes for Levon himself, he is a gutless hater, a hater of everything nationalistic and everything that has to do with Hay Dat and our struggle for justice. We have elected a president that might be not the ideal one (if there is such thing as an ideal politician) but he is the right one for our nation at this time. So, give the man the benefit of the doubt and a bit of time, and then, and only after that, pass a judgment on his performance as our head of state.

[aray]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

HayotsAmrots,
Yes qez het hamadzayn em. Erani te es qo chap hamberutyun unenai vor miutyat masin ays vochkharnerin das tayi, bats tsavoq srti hamberatar chem. Im kartsiqov es davatchan shnerin kam satkatsnela petk, kam el kztsrats pahel. Ukhekh chunen u lezu el chen haskanum. Ba petken ays anasunner@ mer sharqerum?

[aray]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Very well said

Amrotz, at face value, ideally, I agree with you. Naturally, our strength, our potential, comes with our national unity. However, how would you expect to, let's say, work with a Levin Petrostein supporter, or an Ara Baliozian? The people who support these types of human garbage are diametrically opposed to anything that a self-respecting Armenian nationalist believes in. Sadly, these types of individuals constitute a majority in our people. Therefore, what unity, Amrotz? It simply can't happen. Such type of unity doesn't exist anywhere, even amongst Jews it does not exist. Have to seen how viciously Zionist Jews treat liberal Jews? One of the fundamental differences between us and western nations is that western nations have already eliminated serious political dissent in their nations and are now free to pursue their national interests without hindrance while they preach dissent in other countries. And we have many Armenian low lives today that have made it their life's purpose to propagate such national dissent. The fact of the matter is, the "unity" we speak about can only come about by suppressing/eliminating the worthless 'weed' that grows within our population worldwide. I believe that we can't have "unity" by tolerating or attempting to embrace the idiotic filth that exits in our nation. When we are able to somehow eliminate the worthless weed in our nation - "unity" will come naturally.

[Armenian]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I want to bring to your attention the circus being managed by the "investigative journalists" at Hetq: http://www.hetq.am/arm/politics/

And there are many others as well, Radio Liberty, Armenianow, A1 plus... A1 plus was even announcing all day on Tuesday that Levin had won a resounding landslide victory. I think they did this to prepare the way for the preplanned protests. This ordeal has deeply disappointed and depressed me. I thought we were more mature than this. How can we survive, let alone prosper as a nation, in this manner in a place like the Caucasus?

[RSNATION]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

I want to bring to your attention the circus being managed by the "investigative journalists" at Hetq: http://www.hetq.am/arm/politics/

And there are many others as well, Radio Liberty, Armenianow, A1 plus... A1 plus was even announcing all day on Tuesday that Levin had won a resounding landslide victory. I think they did this to prepare the way for the preplanned protests. This ordeal has deeply disappointed and depressed me. I thought we were more mature than this. How can we survive, let alone prosper as a nation, in this manner in a place like the Caucasus?

You're absolutely right. There was going to be a protest no matter what. Levon mind as well be doing p.r. for Azerbaijan. Traitor!!!!!!!!

[Artsakh]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeniareport/report/en/2008/02/059004AE-BFC4-4670-9EAC-7D2A2FA705A8.ASP

Ter-Petrosian Steps Up Post-Election Protests

By Emil Danielyan, Ruzanna Stepanian and Astghik Bedevian

A senior Armenian prosecutor and seven pro-government lawmakers broke ranks to publicly back former President Levon Ter-Petrosian Friday as tens of thousands of people continued to demonstrate in central Yerevan against what they see as fraudulent official results of Tuesday’s presidential election.

In a further sign of serious cracks emerging within the country’s leadership, Deputy Prosecutor-General Gagik Jahangirian delivered a fiery speech at the rally, saying that the vote was blatantly rigged and referring to Ter-Petrosian as its rightful winner. The extraordinary move came on the heels of reports that two top army generals serving as deputy ministers of defense threw their weight behind the opposition presidential candidate.

Prosecutor-General Aghvan Hovsepian was quick to ask President Robert Kocharian to dismiss Jahangirian, citing an Armenian law that bars law-enforcement officials from engaging in political activities.

“I have seen and dealt with many elections,” Jahangirian told the massive crowd in the city’s Liberty Square. “But the scale of fraud, violence, beatings, intimidations perpetrated in these elections was unprecedented.”

“Each of you must reclaim your votes,” he said. “We must at last establish the rule of law in this country.”

Jahangirian also joined Ter-Petrosian in implicating Kocharian and Prime Minister Serzh Sarkisian, the official election winner, in the deadly October 1999 attack on the Armenian parliament. Jahangirian accused the two men of obstructing the criminal investigation into the parliament shootings led by himself. “I promise you that if you help the elected president, if you help me, we will solve the case,” the controversial prosecutor said.

In another significant development, seven deputies of the National Assembly affiliated with the governing Republican and Prosperous Armenia parties also joined the rally and voiced support for Ter-Petrosian. “We found it necessary to be with the people and help find a peaceful way out of this situation,” one of them, Manvel Ghazarian, told RFE/RL.

Ter-Petrosian welcomed the defections. “That means our popular movement has a power faction in the National Assembly,” he told supporters. “This square is already part of the state authority.”

“Furthermore, the middle and lower echelons of the police, the National Security Service and ministry staffs are people like us,” he said. “We have serious proposals from them, we have assurances that they are standing by us.”

Among the defecting lawmakers were a nephew and a close associate of Lieutenant-General Manvel Grigorian, one of the two deputy ministers of defense who have reportedly pledged allegiance to Ter-Petrosian. The latter said on Thursday that they will make sure that Armenia’s Armed Forces are not used for suppressing the ongoing street protests in the capital. “I am confident that the entire army command will join them,” he claimed.

The Armenian Defense Ministry swiftly denied this. However, Ter-Petrosian allies close to Grigorian, who is also the deputy chairman of the influential Yerkrapah Union of Armenian war veterans, stood by the ex-president’s claims on Friday. “If most members of the Yerkrapah Union are with the people and are demanding justice, where else could Manvel Grigorian be?” said Miasnik Malkhasian, Yerkrapah’s deputy chairman.

In an interview with RFE/RL, Malkhasian also did not deny Ter-Petrosian’s assertion that the two generals are “negotiating” with the chief of army staff, Colonel-General Seyran Ohanian, to keep the military in the barracks. “Everyone is interested in a fair solution to this issue in order to avoid unnecessary clashes,” he said. “This is what all Armenian officers and generals want.”

“Manvel Grigorian never retracts what he says. I am absolutely sure about that,” said Aram Sarkisian, the assassinated prime minister’s brother who leads the opposition Hanrapetutyun party.

“Standing alongside the people is the holy duty of every state official, and Manvel Grigorian has said on many occasions that he stands alongside the people,” he added.

Sarkisian was speaking to RFE/RL in the early hours of the morning as about two thousand opposition supporters maintained an overnight vigil in Liberty Square as part of a campaign of “non-stop” demonstrations announced by Ter-Petrosian on Thursday. The mood was festive and bullish despite freezing temperatures, with the demonstrators dancing in circles, setting off fireworks and warming themselves in tents and around bonfires. Ter-Petrosian made two brief appearances in the sprawling square to keep up their morale. He was greeted with “Levon! Levon!” chants.

“We are not electing an individual,” said Armen, a 40-year-old resident of Yerevan. “We are electing freedom. Today must be the final day of our fight. Enough is enough.”

Many other protesters arrived from other parts of the country. “We want to get rid of this rascals, this dictatorial regime,” said Sarkis Zasian, a middle-aged man from Ashtarak, a town 20 kilometers west of Yerevan. “I will spend the nights here until our victory.”

“We are ready for everything,” said Artyom, a 41-year-old farmer and war veteran from the southern Armavir region. “I won’t leave this square even at the gunpoint.”

The crowd expanded to its usual size by the time the rally resumed early in the afternoon. Ter-Petrosian was for the first time joined on the podium by Raffi Hovannisian, a popular opposition leader whose Zharangutyun party endorsed the ex-president’s candidacy. The gathering went ahead despite a police statement warning that it is illegal and may be forcibly broken up.

Many of the protesters were university students who heeded Ter-Petrosian’s calls to boycott classes and join his movement. At the urging of the organizers, the students split from the crowd nd marched through the city center later in the day. They briefly stopped and chanted anti-government slogans outside the Office of the Prosecutor-General surrounded by riot police.

The students turned up for the protest in large numbers despite apparent government efforts to keep them from boycotting classes. Police vans could be seen parked outside the main university buildings in Yerevan in the morning. Students of the Physics Department of Yerevans State University told RFE/RL that police officers would not let them leave the campus.

“We tried to explain that they have no right to force us to attend classes,” said one one of them. “They began jostling, hitting and even kicking students. And so the students moved back into the building.”

Police also detained two students of the Armenian Medical University as they marched to Liberty Square. Both young men were set free four hours later.

Students at the nearby Agricultural Academy said they were warned to steer clear of the opposition demonstrations or face dismissal. “The entire university is ready for a boycott,” said one of them.

But a senior university official, Smbat Daveyan, denied this. “We are not talking about punishments,” he told RFE/RL. “We just want to tell the students that they must think about lectures in the first instance.”

(Photolur photo)

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

WTF is your problem? This has nothing to do with division, the sad fact is your LTP is a sell out and you, essentially, want to put this sell out on the throne. Really read between the lines, I am going to restate my position, we know corruption exists, this is obvious, it exists everywhere, Armenia and in the western world. The problem is, in Armenia it is more primative, but in the western world, it is more sophisticated. The reality is that under a democracy, corruption does exist, whether you want to believe it or not, a corporation championing for the "will of people" when in fact there exists a obvious conflict of interest, really, is a form of corruption. When you have a media mogul like David Geffen backing Obama, then yes, corruption still exists, get that through your head, Armenia is no different.

Second of all, I am 100% sure American and British intelligence has agents in the media and in the Armenian government or else the BBC would not be reported on the Armenian elections, really, do a giggle test, why the hell would the BBC report on Armenia? A tiny landlocked country with 3 million residents, is this logically sound when in fact it refuses to do a spread on the genocide and in addition, it is VERY pro Turkey as a secular democracy. I don't know, its all bullxxxx, everything they are reporting, you can not trust any source outside Armenia and even in Armenia, unless you see it, then you judge or else there is no definite way of "convincing anyone", well, not me, I know better.

You need to connect the dots, LTP or Serge, same garbage different leader, one salutes the west and the other the east, the question then because who do you want your people working for? The Americans and Europeans that are backed by corporate interests that back Turkey as a corrodor for energy or Russia, the direct rival to Turkey and Iran? Any rational person would choose the Russian or else siding with European and the United States will only bring more problems. At this point, the best thing to do is to maintain the status quo, you do not want to be a pawn in this game of chess between the bigger powers, be content and wait it out, democracy will prevail, it has to, the model of democracy will win out and Armenia will be a succesful state, but in order for that to occur you need people living there and you need to psychologically give them hope. Markets and democracy, it is a question of perception.

Lasty, LTP is as corrupt as Bobby and Serge, don't tell me otherwise, he only blames the Karabagh Armenians in order to cover the corruption up. Understand this absolute of politics, the first leader of a nation sets the tone for future leaders. If he is humble, brave, smart, and selfless then future leaders will also follow suit, but LTP was not these things, LTP was a corrupt and therefore, the politicians just followed suit. The army in Karabagh, like I mentioned earlier, did not have running water, while they were fighting at the front, LTP was funneling out assets, this is the truth and I hope I did not break your heart, live with it and move on.

Did I say anything about LTP?

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

So you are confirming here that you are one of them brain dead morons that are on the streets of Yerevan protesting. Why don’t you go there and join the rest of the dumb asses? I bet you’ll have a lot of fun dancing and singing with them. I wish Robert wasn’t too kind and would spoil your dancing/singing party by letting couple of tanks run over idiots like you.


When your kind is eliminated, and I can care less if it’s by tanks or assimilation.



You xxxxing piece of xxxx, I was there from beginning until end. Unlike you I felt obligated and I have paid my duties to my homeland. And unlike you, I will do it again if there is a need. Unlike you I enjoy taking my family there every year and will move back sooner than later.

This really made me laugh.

Notice how I didn't say a single thing about LTP, but everyone assumes I am an LTP supporter just because i question Serj.

Well, if you there from begging till the end you would of known better that during war times things change dramatically, blaming it on the president would not make things better.

But yes you are a perfect example why we will never succeed. And if anything happens tomorrow, please do not blame others for it, blame yourself.

[AR MENIA]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

Look's like some fortune teller can forsee the quick end to serjiks presidency:

Dashnak Leader Resigns From Parliament Post

By Ruzanna Khachatrian

Vahan Hovannisian, a leader of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (Dashnaktsutyun), resigned as deputy speaker of Armenia’s parliament on Friday, citing his poor showing in the presidential election.

According to the Central Election Commission, Hovannisian finished fourth in the race with only 6.2 percent of the vote. The result was way below Dashnaktsutyun’s expectations. The influential party represented in the government had for months asserted that its candidate will at least go into a run-off with Prime Minister Serzh Sarkisian, the election favorite.

In a written statement, Hovannisian called the February 19 vote deeply flawed, citing widespread vote buying, violence in some polling stations, ballot-stuffing and other violations. “Once again, the people’s right to express their political will freely and the dignity of our citizens were xxxxxled underfoot,” he said.

But Hovannisian did admit that he failed to win over a large part of the electorate. “I saved no effort to keep the competition with the bounds of constructive political debate and to make our citizens vote ‘for,’ rather than ‘against,’” he said. “I tried to convince our citizens that victory is possible. I failed.”

In a clear reference to the ongoing street protests organized by another defeated presidential candidate, Levon Ter-Petrosian, Hovannisian called on Armenians to display “restraint” and bear in mind that Ter-Petrosian himself had rigged elections while in power. “Those who are trying today to follow the path of upheaval must remember and understand what a crime against our people they had committed by blatantly falsifying the 1996 presidential elections and setting in motion a vote-rigging machine which we can not stop to this day,” he said.

Hovannisian urged voters to reject their current and former rulers throughout his election campaign. He publicly complained that many of them view the vote as a two-horse race between Sarkisian and Ter-Petrosian.

(Photolur photo)

http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeni...17FF482B90.ASP

Haha, its funny how you use these worthless and anti-Armenian sites to advance the tratorious petrosteins position. Do you wish to see Artsakh back into azeri hands? Be objective, otherwise you will have to excuse some of us for thinking that you are a tool of a tool


Tigran Torosyan: Those who join opposition play hard and must be stopped

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ After the announcement of the final results of the presidential elections of Armenia the internal political situation will be regulated. Tigran Torosyan, the speaker of the parliament of Armenia announced about this. "I hope that we shall manage to avoid harsh collisions of the supporters of these 2 different candidates, still, such people are taking the side of the opposition who are ready for everything and they should be stopped", - the speaker announced, making a comment on the fact that the supporters of Serzh Sargsyan, the acting prime minister have started to move towards the capital. Meanwhile Torosyan refused to make any comment on the announcement of the vice-speaker Vahan Hovhannisyan about his resignation, underscoring that; "Vahan Hovhannisyan has not submitted any statement to me personally”. And for this reason he also refused to answer the question whether “Dashnaktsutyun” ARF would keep the post of the vice-speaker, IA REGNUM informs.



SHAVARSH KOCHARIAN DESCRIBES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AS 'STEP FORWARD"

YEREVAN, FEBRUARY 22, ARMENPRESS: A former parliament member Shavarsh Kocharian brushed off today opposition's claims that the February 19 presidential election was marred with wholesale election fraud.
Speaking at a news conference, Kocharian (no relation to president Robert Kocharian) said one should be blind with hatred not to see 'the progress.'
During the official electioneering period Shavarsh Kocharian campaigned for Vazgen Manukian, the chairman of the National Democratic Union (NDU), one of the nine candidates for the highest post of the country, who received only 5,000 votes of some 1.7 million voters, who went to the polls.
To substantiate that the ballot was progress Shavarsh Kocharian cited from the preliminary report of the International Election Observation Mission (IEOM), which said the February 19 poll was mostly in line with Armenia's international commitments.
But Kocharian added this election is not compared with similar polls in Finland or Sweden, but with the previous 2003 presidential election in Armenia and from that perspective it marked progress.
Shavarsh Kocharian said Manukian's campaign office is aware of reports about election fraud and other irregularities, but people there do not consider them enough to claim they have had any impact on the final outcome.
He said Manukian's campaign office will make the final statement after the recounting of votes in some precincts is over.

[Fedayeen]

Re: Presidential elections 2008 in Armenia

shame on you Mr. Artsakh.



As you know, we are western Armenians and the lands occupied by Turks also belong to us. Moreover, the president of RA can make a crucial decision about the destiny of those lands.

On top of that, don't you think that we are connected to Armenia and we care about the country just like any Armenian citizen cares about it?



shenorhagal em ays khoskit.
Hope it came bcoz of an anger and not bcoz of what you really think coz I will really feel offended by hearing something like this from a fellow Armenian.

Welcome brother, you better get use to getting called a lot of names, categorized in groups, etc.

Try not to take things personally. We all are Armenian in here, even if don't agree 100% of the time