Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[Armenian]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Unless you mean to say that we should overlook the beating of children by corrupt officers, because to question such a thing would not be in the interest of the state?

First, I don't know what happened between the child and the Police officers. You don't either. Could it have occurred the way you described it? Yes, it could. But such types of social disorders exist in all nations, more so in nations going through severe economic times. At this point, however, all we have is a "story" by you. And stories coming from diasporans like you I simply take to the toilet room.

Second, social malaise occur in nations suffering from severe socio-economic distress - like all former Soviet republics. Relatively speaking, Armenia has lived through the worst sociopolitical/socioeconomic conditions than all the rest of the former Soviet republics, and yet Armenia is perhaps doing better than them all. Relatively speaking. Instead of seeing the big picture regarding Armenia, which is encouraging and good, you as a typical shallow/superficial diasporan choose instead to see the negative and bad.

Third, it is shallow, conditional and irrational diasporans like you that the Armenian nation can and should do without.

All of those interests correspond to the ARF as well, except perhaps for the latter two.

You are right. There are high level ARF-ers who are unhappy with the close relations Armenia has with Russia. This, in my opinion, immediately disqualifies the ARF from hold top office in the Armenian Republic. Like I keep saying - national interests.

If the state survives in the form of an oligarchy with corruptsia left and right, then fuck the state.

That fact of the matter is, all nations have been built upon "Oligarchies" and corruption. George Washington was an Oligarch as well as a terrorist. You, Tommy dearest, are living an American Dream that was created by genocide, mass slavery, and severe corruption.

I suggest you grow the xxxx up.

[TomServo]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

It is an under the skin getting irritant to even be answering this.

[skhara]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Not at all.

Unless you mean to say that we should overlook the beating of children by corrupt officers, because to question such a thing would not be in the interest of the state?

It is an under the skin getting irritant to even be answering this.

[TomServo]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

You've completely missed the main points he posted, didn't you?

Not at all.

Unless you mean to say that we should overlook the beating of children by corrupt officers, because to question such a thing would not be in the interest of the state?

[skhara]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

When I was in Ashtarak, I saw an officer beat a "little individual" (8-10 year old) for money. If that's the state people have to put up with, then I'm not surprised that so many have left, want to leave, and not return.

You've completely missed the main points he posted, didn't you?

[TomServo]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

No, "everyone" does not want to leave. Most that wanted to already left during the the chaos of the 90s. That is not the case anymore, although there are still a lot of people that want to leave for economic reasons. Nevertheless, the mass exodus has stopped.

Actually, you're right. Not everyone in the country wants to leave, but most do.

As the economy improves there will be less Armenians seeking to leave and more Armenians seeking to return.

Let's hope that doesn't include those darn diasporans, who speak that strange dialect, and have very burdensome demands, such as requesting citizenship and insisting on genocide recognition.

The main point little individuals like you would never understand is - national interests. F*** the presidency, f*** the ARF, f*** the people, its all about the - interests/survival of the Armenian state. The Armenian Republic has a clearly defined set of national interests:

All of those interests correspond to the ARF as well, except perhaps for the latter two.

If the state survives in the form of an oligarchy with corruptsia left and right, then fuck the state. When I was in Ashtarak, I saw an officer beat a "little individual" (8-10 year old) for money. If that's the state people have to put up with, then I'm not surprised that so many have left, want to leave, and not return.

[Siamanto]

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As usual, you are full of kaka.

They say that what we are, and our function in life, influence and determine what we (can) see; for instance, a toilet bin sees us "usually, full of..."

So, if anyone tampers with the above, be it a president, an organization, or the "people" - they should be dealt with harshly. As such, Armenia needs to organize its internal security services to uphold the national interests of the state regardless of who is in power and regardless of what the "people" want.

And the skinhead awakens!!!!

Understand, Tommy dearest?

Lav mdig @rir, dghas??? Hasg@tsar @sadz@s???? Dagavin mantch [y]es, medzeroun khosk@ bedk eh m@dig @nes! (sic)

[Armenian]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Everyone wants to leave. Even some government officials have left. Did you leave?

As usual, you are full of kaka. No, "everyone" does not want to leave. Most that wanted to already left during the the chaos of the 90s. That is not the case anymore, although there are still a lot of people that want to leave for economic reasons. Nevertheless, the mass exodus has stopped. As the economy improves there will be less Armenians seeking to leave and more Armenians seeking to return.

Isn't this what LTP did in the mid-90's? But that wasn't the people, I guess?

The main point little individuals like you would never understand is - national interests. F*** the presidency, f*** the ARF, f*** the people, its all about the - interests/survival of the Armenian state. The Armenian Republic has a clearly defined set of national interests:

Integrity of Armenia's current borders

Protection/annexation of Artsakh

Claims on historic Armenian lands in Nakhijevan, Javakhq and Western Armenia

Genocide recognition

Up holding of Armenia's strategic alliance with the Russian Federation

Up holding of Armenia's important relations with Iran

Fundamentally speaking, this is it - nothing more, nothing less. So, if anyone tampers with the above, be it a president, an organization, or the "people" - they should be dealt with harshly. As such, Armenia needs to organize its internal security services to uphold the national interests of the state regardless of who is in power and regardless of what the "people" want.

Understand, Tommy dearest?

[HayotzAmrotz]

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And I wasn't born in the Armenian SSR, nor were my parents or theirs, so I never left... what about you?

I was born and bred in the Armenian SSR and so were my parents and their parents. Republic of Armenia is our country, we have never left it and we will never leave it.

[TomServo]

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Did you leave, or have you actually been to Armenia?

I've been to "the State" once, and nearly every person I talked to, every average Hovo, wanted to leave. And I wasn't born in the Armenian SSR, nor were my parents or theirs, so I never left... what about you?

People Power, young Thomas, should never be underestimated.

Something Serzh Sargsyan knows real well.