Learn Armenian language

[womble]

Re: Learn Armenian language

Hey Ervand, i made my own website with the alphabet and some basic vocabulary a while back. The URL is www.learnarmenian.blogspot.com Hope it helps.

[skhara]

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Speaking of which. I need help with understanding the following.

What is the difference between:

այս and սա
այդ and դա
այն and նա

Thanks in advance to whomever answers.

[Lucin]

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Skhara, without going into grammatical details, I'll try to put them in simple examples, see if you can distinguish them.

Այս գիրքը իմն է: Here, after այս you must have a 'noun'. The noun in this example is a 'book' (գիրք).

Սա իմն է: But here, there should absolutely not be anything after 'սա' since the person you are talking to already knows that you are referring to a book so you don't repeat it again.

The same goes for the rest...

Այդ գիրքը իմն է: / Դա իմն է:



Ps: Did you learn Armenian, just from these sites? Did you know the speaking or you learnt everything from scartch, on the Net?

[ddd]

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If you live near Glendale, there are plenty of classes you can take.

[ervand]

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If you live near Glendale, there are plenty of classes you can take.

No. I live in Encino and I don't drive now and probably won't for the next 1 year.
There is an Armenian church and an Armenian middle school (right across the church) very close to me. I was surprised that none of those two teach Armenian.... I thought all Armenian churches have Sunday classes where people can learn the language...... This one does not. That's a big disappointment.

[TomServo]

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Ervand, I'm sure there are dozens of quality books that are designed to teach Russian-speakers [Eastern] Armenian. It might be a bit hard to find them in Los Angeles, but here are a few English-Armenian books from a Glendale bookstore:

http://www.abrilbooks.com/books/language_learning/learn_eastern_armenian/

And if you're interested in learning online, here is a good resource I found (seems to be for Russian-speakers, so you should have no problems):

http://community.livejournal.com/learn_armenian/

[skhara]

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I knew you'd answer. Thank you very much .

Skhara, without going into grammatical details, I'll try to put them in simple examples, see if you can distinguish them.

Yes, simple is perfect. I hate grammar anyway.

Այս գիրքը իմն է: Here, after այս you must have a 'noun'. The noun in this example is a 'book' (գիրք).

Սա իմն է: But here, there should absolutely not be anything after 'սա' since the person you are talking to already knows that you are referring to a book so you don't repeat it again.

The same goes for the rest...

Այդ գիրքը իմն է: / Դա իմն է:

Part of my confusion was reading two sentences that said the same thing but one used 'Սա' while the other used 'Այս'.

The difference was the word order/word structure though.

So, if I'll expand on your book example above and say:

This book is Lucin's.
Այս գիրքը Լուսինն է:

rearrange the word order:
This is Lucin's book.
Սա Լուսինի գիրքն է:

Both have nouns, but if I take my simplistic understanding, if a noun follows the "this" we'd use: Այս and Այդ, otherwise Սա Դա

Ps: Did you learn Armenian, just from these sites? Did you know the speaking or you learnt everything from scartch, on the Net?

It's not really possible to learn on the net. But yeah, scratch (grandparents just used it as secret argue amongst themselves language). Multimedia and audio resources are usually the best.

[skhara]

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Ervand, I'm sure there are dozens of quality books that are designed to teach Russian-speakers [Eastern] Armenian. It might be a bit hard to find them in Los Angeles, but here are a few English-Armenian books from a Glendale bookstore:

http://www.abrilbooks.com/books/language_learning/learn_eastern_armenian/

And if you're interested in learning online, here is a good resource I found (seems to be for Russian-speakers, so you should have no problems):

http://community.livejournal.com/learn_armenian/

One would need some hell of motivation to learn from a book. Language learning needs a listen and repeat component. I mean children don't don't learn to speak from a book -- they just hear and imitate.

Although, it appears that the book you linked does have an Audio CD that comes with it. It would be nice to have some kind of sneak peak though.

The website that you linked, doesn't seem to have a lot of learning going on -- but there is exchange of information and ideas.

[Lucin]

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Yes, simple is perfect. I hate grammar anyway.

LOL, I guess it's typical of men?? I feel that for some reason usually men do not grasp well grammatical concepts. Don't know why.

Part of my confusion was reading two sentences that said the same thing but one used 'Սա' while the other used 'Այս'.

The difference was the word order/word structure though.

Yes, the difference is not in the meaning but there is a difference between the two, even in English...

So, if I'll expand on your book example above and say:

1) This book is Lucin's.
Այս գիրքը Լուսինն է:

rearrange the word order:
2) This is Lucin's book.
Սա Լուսինի գիրքն է:

Both have nouns, but if I take my simplistic understanding, if a noun follows the "this" we'd use: Այս and Այդ, otherwise Սա Դա

No, both do not have a 'noun'.

1) The first one, yes, it does; the noun is the book which is attached to 'this'; this book Այս գիրքը. See the below distinction in colours:

This book is Lucin's.

Այս գիրքը Լուսինինն է:

( A little correction in your first Armenian sentence; you said "Այս գիրքը Լուսինն է:" which means This book is Lucin. while it should be "Լուսինինն Է" meaning "is Lucin's".)


2) However, the second one does not have a noun. Lucin is not related/ attached to Սա but to the book which itself, in return, is related to Lucin and not Սա.

This is Lucin's book.

Սա, Լուսինի գիրքն է: ( Note please the pause shown by the comma (,) after սա, it might help you understand better that there is no noun immediately after սա, related to it)

It's not really possible to learn on the net. But yeah, scratch (grandparents just used it as secret argue amongst themselves language). Multimedia and audio resources are usually the best.

Yea, I know it's very hard, especially when there's no one you can talk to, but don't give up, keep up the good/ careful work. And do not hesitate to ask your questions on the forum.

I more or less learnt the English in the same way, but there are far better 'virtual' sources to learn English than any other language. Not even comparable...

[Armenian]

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Skhara, I keep saying this to you over-and-over again: you need an off-the-boat Armo chick. See how fast you'll learn then. However, in your neck of the woods (cheese country?) I don't know what the off-the-boat "Armo Chick" availabilities are...