Tolerance in Armenia

[hipeter924]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

Well diversity is okay, but extreme nationalist groups are best kept out of it...but they are funny until they start doing something violent

[Federate]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

YouTube video - Serakan poqramasnutyun

One of the funniest videos i've ever seen

[Dingo]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

I'm glad you read the rules though dingo. Just keep them in mind in the future.

I'm just wondering whether or not you're moralizing about how society ought to function (in its making of stereotypes/treating its minorities, etc...), or if you're simply pointing out hypocrisy and inconsistencies in a social groups' alleged political orientation.

Also, if homophobia in Armenia was indeed based soley on their ride with the USSR, can the same be said about a lot of the other ex-soviet republics? And where can I learn about how the attitudes of Armenian commonfolk was much different prior to the USSR?

Instead of attributing this particular attitude to the USSR, you might be more clever to point out how the radically socialist Soviet dogma could've been masked as a "conservative orientation" by playing with already existing attitudes of homophobia amongst a given social group, Armenia probably being a good example.

No problem.

I can't tell what society's morale values and morale (difference between those two similar words) should be. That would be borderline 3rd Reich.

I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy and inconsistencies in society, not social groups. By society, I don't mean the broad definition. I can mean that or I could refer to a singular society, a localized one. Such as Armenian society, German society, Polish society, American society, etc.

Countries in eastern Europe such as Armenia and those of the USSR or other conservative programs will have different values. There are Armenians in Armenia or any country in eastern Europe who have issues with people of different color, sexual orientation, etc. Yes, the same can be said indeed. Well, sometimes (believe it or not) depending on where you live in the US Armenian channels will broadcast reporter to person interviews right on the street and ask them about issues. One particular morning I was watching the news about 3 months after the riots that occurred and they asked about how homosexuals fit into society. This city was Yerevan I believe. What really awed me was the positive responses. People in more populated areas have been exposed to diversity they weren't ok with before but got to know the diverse objects whether animate or inanimate and got accustomed to it all. A few men and women explained in brief how during the USSR things were a lot different. In addition, there are some blogger blogs out there of Armenians who've done interviews of gay Armenians living in Armenia. It's incredibly mind boggling. A Google search of "Gay Armenia" will bring up various results.

A dogma is held by religion. Religion is universal when it deals with homosexuality or any issue. As far as I'm concerned, Levitcus 18:22 deals with a verse that's the same context but written differently in various religious scriptures. That statement by you also wouldn't work since there are liberals who are religious and would still follow the bible. The USSR mentality isn't bad at all. There are countries beside Iran or any Islamic nation that have far worse views on various aspects of life.

[jgk3]

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I'm glad you read the rules though dingo. Just keep them in mind in the future.

I'm just wondering whether or not you're moralizing about how society ought to function (in its making of stereotypes/treating its minorities, etc...), or if you're simply pointing out hypocrisy and inconsistencies in a social groups' alleged political orientation.

Also, if homophobia in Armenia was indeed based soley on their ride with the USSR, can the same be said about a lot of the other ex-soviet republics? And where can I learn about how the attitudes of Armenian commonfolk was much different prior to the USSR?

Instead of attributing this particular attitude to the USSR, you might be more clever to point out how the radically socialist Soviet dogma could've been masked as a "conservative orientation" by playing with already existing attitudes of homophobia amongst a given social group, Armenia probably being a good example.

[Dingo]

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You might be right, I think we use these labels conveniently in order to focus our attacks on eachother. I guess we just like to make categories out of people based on how they respond to a particular issue. This is also aided by trends of political partisanship, especially when the governing and economic systems that each side represent after coming to power are on the whole identical.

Before I respond, thanks for not lashing out on the bump!

Everyone uses labels. It predominates to people who claim they don't judge others, but they do. Labels were established centuries ago to group certain sects, groups or clans. Those labels have often evolved. We as a society have also have said atrocious things based on a minority of certain label.

The OP has an avatar of a pride flag (I assume) in tie form. Someone would automatically think he's homosexual and he's flimsy. That however isn't always the case. I've met people who were homosexual and you couldn't tell they were even if you tried. They just had love for the same sex. Everyone assumes homosexuals are vile creatures, but they're not. Sure there are some you cannot stand and the normal gays hate them too, but that's how society it. Bring in that society and an ethnic group/race such as Armenians who have "conservative" views (pfft) thanks to the USSR and you get wild assumptions thrown about.

Ironically, I'm having the same debate right now on another forum about this. Politics and religion pay their duty with everything wrong about society as a whole. However, we'll end up seeing religion play a less part in the state than where it should belong. Do people believe politicians when they say they're religious? Yes, but they're not really religious.

People have been wedged into a philosophy where they think what they here is what they want. They do not think for themselves anymore and rely on others' words.

[jgk3]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

You might be right, I think we use these labels conveniently in order to focus our attacks on eachother. I guess we just like to make categories out of people based on how they respond to a particular issue. This is also aided by trends of political partisanship, especially when the governing and economic systems that each side represent after coming to power are on the whole identical.

[Dingo]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

Hate to bump this up, but the entire idea of tolerances is vile at best right now. In 50-100 years things will change adversely. All this liberal bashing is really funny considering none of the Armenians I've met are actually conservative. Libertarians at best. There are liberals who hate other races or people of different sexual orientation. There are religious people who don't mind gay people. The fine lines between everything have been blurred to the point where they've become indistinguishable to all.



Edit: Damn, I'm so sorry for bumping this thread. I only just saw this:

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=7606

[jgk3]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

why did God allow man to invent condoms? The view that God is the master of our lives and was literal about his intentions for humans in the Bible just doesn't hold.

[ara87]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

man+women=new life

man + man
or
women + women
= Extinction
____________________________________

barren man/woman+non barren man/woman= no new life

or

Man+Woman both non barren but just don't want kids?

anyways what if homosexuality is God or evolutions way to stop the world from over populating? I know he said be fruitful and multiply, but i don't think he meant to engulf the world, were approaching 7 billion only .4 billion away, i don't think we need to worry about extinction, human population used to be much, much lower and we were fine then too

[Armanen]

Re: Tolerance in Armenia

And all the neo-liberals came out of the woodwork to spread their multi culturalist crap. Please do all of us a favor and stop calling yourselves "Armenian", and please don't ever go to Armenia because you will be in for a very rude awakening when natives hear what comes out of your pie holes.


Race mixing, homosexuality is all genetic (nothing wrong with it), atheism. Wow, so this is what happens to a sizable chunk of 2nd-3rd generation Armenian-Americans, or the many boshas claiming to be Armenian in LA.