A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

[jgk3]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

You're right. Some of those debates did happen here and I will search for the threads.

[Stark Evade]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

Thank you very much for your interest in this thread Stark.

I've wanted this in the past. A single place where people can be directed and have all myths about these conflict dispelled.

I can't remember if it was this forum or hyef0rum but a few years ago there were long and very in-depth debates happening with Turks who joined the forum to argue. To search and find those topics may be good for knowing some of what the other arguments are.

[jgk3]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

Currently, I'm doing my own research by reading a few books on the genocide. The most recent book is "A Shameful Act" by Taner Akcam, and I find his layout for explaining that the genocide did happen, why it happened, how it was conducted, how it was concealed or cleverly downplayed in international politics, and why it is imperative that Turks recognize it, was extremely well thought out.

So though I encourage sources that showcase the many facts that show the genocide did happen, what I most seek are your views on how the layout should be. An outline, with topics and subtopics is what I'm especially looking for.

Thank you very much for your interest in this thread Stark.

[Stark Evade]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

jgk3:

Has anything solidified with this? Or did it become overwhelming?

I have a book at home (maybe about 150 pages long) that is just collection of a bunch of American newspaper clippings from the A.G. era that shows how the A.G. was reported. I haven't looked at it in over 15 years but it is an interesting thing to have. I'll try to remember to get the title of it.

[Federate]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

This is not it. But it's a long analysis. A bit older.

http://www.armeniaforeignministry.com/htms/blueprint.html

Also,

http://www.armembassycanada.ca/News/Gore_book.html

http://www.core-hamburg.de/documents...smussen-en.pdf

Interesting findings. I like many of the points in the first MFA link. It sums up the situation very well. I particularly liked the section on the right to national self-determination. The book by the Canadian military historian is a great counter to Azerbaijani allegations of the so-called "Khojaly massacre".

[Stark Evade]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

This is not it. But it's a long analysis. A bit older.

http://www.armeniaforeignministry.com/htms/blueprint.html

Also,

http://www.armembassycanada.ca/News/Gore_book.html

http://www.core-hamburg.de/documents...smussen-en.pdf

[Federate]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

I wish I did. It was written as an analysis to present to a government committee designated to oversee the Karapakh issue. It was about 2 or 3 years ago that I saw it.

Hmm. I'll try to find it for us but i'm gonna need some help with the Googling. Was there a university it was associated with? Any terms in the title that you may recall? What did the analysis deal with specifically? Was it an academic source? A PDF document?

Sounds interesting, anything might help.

[Federate]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

Definately. I would never argue that getting sea access is insignificant. I just don't want that sort of request ruining the possibility of getting the other closer (and less inhabited) sections back. Plus, if we annex land containing 5 - 6 million Kurds, they would become part of the Armenian Republic and then have twice the population of Armenians. Seems a bit scary, actually.

For sure. But in any future negotiations, we should start with a maximalist position and then settle for a compromise because I do not see Turkey giving up that much land peacefully, as much as that would be fantastic. It is more likely any negotiations will follow a war, possibly Russia playing a major role in it as well because we all know Armenia cannot take Turkey on militarily. This is a good thread to read about the liberation of Western Armenia.

And you're right, the idea that Armenians become a minority in their own country is terrifying. We don't stand a chance against the rabbit-fukking Muslim Kurds. In fact, almost all our problems stem from our low population numbers. We're barely 3 million in our own country and 150 000 in Artsakh. It's sad for the Kurds but any future Western Armenia will have to be emptied of them for the most part. How will this be achieved? Well, before the Artsakh war, they were more Azeris in the liberated territories than Armenians. Currently there are zero Azeris .

[Stark Evade]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

Do you have any more info on this 30 page document? Who are the two non-Armenians who wrote it?

I wish I did. It was written as an analysis to present to a government committee designated to oversee the Karapakh issue. It was about 2 or 3 years ago that I saw it.

[Stark Evade]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

An access to the sea would be in Armenia's best interest because that would finally liberate it from the possibility of being blockaded by its neighbours in addition to it being a great economic asset in itself. The problem is that there are a total of about 5-6 million people currently living in Wilsonian designated Western Armenia. The majority of them are Kurds. But yeah, that part of Turkey is vastly underdeveloped especially if you compare it to the Istanbul area.

Definately. I would never argue that getting sea access is insignificant. I just don't want that sort of request ruining the possibility of getting the other closer (and less inhabited) sections back. Plus, if we annex land containing 5 - 6 million Kurds, they would become part of the Armenian Republic and then have twice the population of Armenians. Seems a bit scary, actually.