Do you really want open borders?

[hrai]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

If you do not care what others do think, and will not care; then you have no right to say something against Turkish denial. Because you will not have a right to claim Ankara is ignorant. They also do not have to care what Diaspora or Armenia think, right?

Anyway, no one but Russia supports Yerevan; because of people like you. And all Russia cares is having soldiers there.



I dont care.

Why start this thread if you don't care?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

If you do not care what others do think, and will not care; then you have no right to say something against Turkish denial. Because you will not have a right to claim Ankara is ignorant. They also do not have to care what Diaspora or Armenia think, right?

Anyway, no one but Russia supports Yerevan; because of people like you. And all Russia cares is having soldiers there.

Despite the fact Armenia should ask for preconditions for security purposes, Armenia has said for years that it wants to have normal relations with Turkey with no preconditions. Turkey insists on having preconditions. So it is not Armenia nor its diaspora who is in denial, and Armenia is not the one who is alienating its neighbors.

[THQ]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

Despite the fact Armenia should ask for preconditions for security purposes, Armenia has said for years that it wants to have normal relations with Turkey with no preconditions. Turkey insists on having preconditions. So it is not Armenia nor its diaspora who is in denial, and Armenia is not the one who is alienating its neighbors.

When it comes to alienating, I somehow remember massacres like the one in Hojali.

Remember, the border problem with Turkey is not because of the genocide but a result of Armenian invasion of Azerbaijan. You may call it libaretion, whatever.

So you support open borders, ok. Next?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

When it comes to alienating, I somehow remember massacres like the one in Hojali.

I assume you have only read the official Azerbaijani versions of these events. Am I wrong in this assumption?

Remember, the border problem with Turkey is not because of the genocide but a result of Armenian invasion of Azerbaijan. You may call it libaretion, whatever.

We can discuss the causes of the Karabagh war anytime, but lets not steer off topic.

As for Turkey's main problem with Armenia, I think you're mistaken. Turkey's preconditions are not so much that Armenians give up control of Karabagh, their main precondition, the one they emphasize the most, is that Armenia stop advocating genocide recognition. They even have laws against talking about it in Turkey, so imagine how they feel about a neighboring country bringing it up.

Plus, closing the border, especially during a war, is itself a declaration of war. And as much as Turks love to claim that Russia helped Karabagh during the war, even they didn't close their border with Azerbaijan. All these factors point to the fact that Turkey's real reason for closing the border was not the war, but the genocide, and the Karabagh war was just a pretext to do it.

So you support open borders, ok. Next?

I never said that.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

Firstly the Khojali nonsense is just that, absolute nonsense, if you compare the sheer numbers of Armenians who were attacked in Sumgait, Baku and Maragha, Khojaly looks like a joke, plus its dubious many opposition parties swear it was the Azerbaijanis forces who attacked the civilians, statistically and logistically Armenians in Artsakh (its Artsakh, not Nagorno Karabagh, or Qarabag, or whatever, it started as Artsakh and it shall remain Artsakh) could not have attacked them as it meant attacking them right next to the Azerbaijiani battalion

Fed jan, if I remember correctly if you are reading this you have many pictures of this on your profile, would it be okay to post it here?

Armenians never invaded Azerbaijan, that land was given to Azerbaijan by Stalin, the majority are and always have been Armenian, every nation has the right to self determination, you treated the Armenians cruelly, so they voted to become a seperate nation, you attacked, and they responded as you increasingly noticed that Armenians refuse to have another Genocide of their people, its time your Grey Wolf friends learned this

What is your intentions on this site?

[Federate]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

Fed jan, if I remember correctly if you are reading this you have many pictures of this on your profile, would it be okay to post it here?

Feel free to save and use these pictures at will Pedro.

[TheGreat]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

1. An open border will encourage infiltration from a foreign government (Turkey).

2. Azeris can sneak into Armenia using turkish identification papers, this can mean assassinations attemps on Armenians (yes really, I think the Azeri are very capable of such actions since they are desperate).

3. Turkey have the money and people (alot of unemployed people near border) to gain economical influence in the country which in the end will bring Armenia to its knees.

There are many more points tho, I'm sure Armenia will prosper and enjoy the new relations.. For a while.. When they realize whats really happened it will all be too late.

I'd rather put my money and effort into splitting Georgia up and making a way into the black sea.

[hipeter924]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

1. An open border will encourage infiltration from a foreign government (Turkey).

2. Azeris can sneak into Armenia using turkish identification papers, this can mean assassinations attemps on Armenians (yes really, I think the Azeri are very capable of such actions since they are desperate).

3. Turkey have the money and people (alot of unemployed people near border) to gain economical influence in the country which in the end will bring Armenia to its knees.

There are many more points tho, I'm sure Armenia will prosper and enjoy the new relations.. For a while.. When they realize whats really happened it will all be too late.

I'd rather put my money and effort into splitting Georgia up and making a way into the black sea.

1. If you are concerned about Turkish investment then keep it banned

2. You don't have to open the border totally, meaning you could let goods in but not the people

3. I doubt Turkey will be able to bring Armenia to its knees, its not like you have to allow foreign laborers or corporations in instead just the goods

[hitite]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

2. You don't have to open the border totally, meaning you could let goods in but not the people

Dont think Armenia can do this because the thousands of Armenian workers in Turkey will get kicked out. If Turks wont be let in then Armenians wont be let in either...

[THQ]

Re: Do you really want open borders?

Dont think Armenia can do this because the thousands of Armenian workers in Turkey will get kicked out. If Turks wont be let in then Armenians wont be let in either...

Good point, and letting goods in but not people is not realistic. First, you have to refuse all people who wants to cross from Turkish border, which I think neither Turkey nor Europe would agree. In addition, hitite is also right.

@ArmSurvival

My intention? Im just wondering your thoughts on opening the borders.

@Federate

Interesting pics. Im not going into an argument here about the massacres or claimed ones. However there are some issues in those pics should be noted:

* Muslim Brotherhood is not a terrorist organisation and totally legal. You can not use it as a fact against Armenia.

* I doubt if those 'schools' are really for terrorist pilots. Most probably they are military/civilian training schools because U.S. would be the first one to close them all. Anyway, why do terrorists need planes to attack on Yerevan? And Azerbaijani air force is also legal.

* This is what separates you and me. Im not Azeri, but I can accept those may be happened. But you will never accept Hojali or other massacres did by Armenia. You people think Armenia is an angel with no crimes.