A Shameful fact.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: A Shameful fact.

Yeah, the Britons are not English, English == Germanic Anglo-Saxons that immigrated from Germany and Scandinavia. Britons are a Brythonic people who were displaced by the Angle invasion, the only remaining group of them are the Welsh, Cornish and a few other small groups.

As to whether or not the Britons came from Armenia, it does mention the word Armenia, but in the liner notes it means it was Armorica in Latin, which refer to Gaul, not Armenia, it could be a mistranslation. I'm not saying they coudln't come from Armenia, as many groups migrated out of the Caucasus, Anatolia and the Balkans (the earliest Celtic remains are in Serbia and Montenegro), just that according to most sources it's mistranslation. It's like saying Vartan Mamikonian's family was Chinese, sure, Movses Xorenaci said so, but it's highly debatable.

[Tiko310]

Re: A Shameful fact.

I bed to differ, there is a Spanish and English nation as in ethnicity.
Spain and England have it's own language, culture, history, music, cuisine, historical figures, etc. in other words they are nations.

English descended from the Angles which were a Germanic tribe, that intermarried with Norsemen, some French and a small amount of the indigenous Celtic population. Spaniards descend from Romans, Arabs, xxxs and Celts and Germanics who lived in the region.

http://omacl.org/Anglo/part1.html

http://www.britannia.com/history/docs/1-448.html

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: A Shameful fact.

I bed to differ, there is a Spanish and English nation as in ethnicity.
Spain and England have it's own language, culture, history, music, cuisine, historical figures, etc. in other words they are nations.

English descended from the Angles which were a Germanic tribe, that intermarried with Norsemen, some French and a small amount of the indigenous Celtic population. Spaniards descend from Romans, Arabs, xxxs and Celts and Germanics who lived in the region.

[KanadaHye]

Re: A Shameful fact.

There is no English or Spanish nation. Traditionally, a nation refers to people/tribes who share a common language, culture, ethnicity and descent. The "modern" usage seems to imply to people who share a common government/territory regardless of their ethnic heritage. Armenians have been Armenian for millenia irregardless of their host government. We are stubborn f*ckers.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: A Shameful fact.

Spain and England were global Empires. They weren't "nations". Besides, many J3ws (As with any Empire) occupied many important posts, both religious and political who served the crown/kingdom. Labeling them Christian nations would be like labeling America a Christian nation when we know that all the positions of authority and control are held by J3ws.

The Persian, Arab and Ottoman Empires were also Empires. The English are a nation, the Spanish are a nation. The Spanish invaded for gold under the premise of spreading Catholicism, like it or not, they were seen as a Christian nation by themselves, they drove out the Muslims and xxxs for the very reason of Christianity.

Like it or not, after the Iranian revolution, many Muslim Persians moved, after the Israeli invasion, many Palestinians became refugees, there are Muslim diasporas, or rather people who happen to be Muslim. I can argue there is no Christian diaspora as such. Sure there is an Assyrian, Armenian, Greek, etc. diaspora, but Christians as a whole don't have a diaspora if we look at the French, English, Spanish, etc. they invaded.

Like it or not, Christians and Muslims are both capable of conquering and bloodthirst

[Mos]

Re: A Shameful fact.

There aren't muslim diasporas, there muslim invasions........but that's another thread.

Lol, what I mean though is Muslim groups tend to be much more resilient to assimilation.

[KanadaHye]

Re: A Shameful fact.

Hmm, there are Persian-Americans though, plenty of whom are Muslim, not to mention plenty of Muslim Palestinians.
Plus Christians invaded too, it's just Muslims who did historically, I mean Spain and England were both Christian nations and invaded half of the world.

Spain and England were global Empires. They weren't "nations". Besides, many J3ws (As with any Empire) occupied many important posts, both religious and political who served the crown/kingdom. Labeling them Christian nations would be like labeling America a Christian nation when we know that all the positions of authority and control are held by J3ws.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: A Shameful fact.

There aren't muslim diasporas, there muslim invasions........but that's another thread.

Hmm, there are Persian-Americans though, plenty of whom are Muslim, not to mention plenty of Muslim Palestinians.
Plus Christians invaded too, it's just Muslims who did historically, I mean Spain and England were both Christian nations and invaded half of the world.

[hrai]

Re: A Shameful fact.

When are you moving back to Hayastan? It's surprising that in the Armenian diaspora of Russia I would say there is less ignorance amongst Armenians regarding their culture and identity. This probably stems from that they are reminded of it every day.

We can't really do much though, that's what happens to diasporas, I think Muslim diasporas are much more resilient and we need to learn from them.

There aren't muslim diasporas, there muslim invasions........but that's another thread.

[Mos]

Re: A Shameful fact.

3 years later, and not much has changed

When are you moving back to Hayastan? It's surprising that in the Armenian diaspora of Russia I would say there is less ignorance amongst Armenians regarding their culture and identity. This probably stems from that they are reminded of it every day.

We can't really do much though, that's what happens to diasporas, I think Muslim diasporas are much more resilient and we need to learn from them.