Does anyone feel like me?

[Sip]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Hmmmm ... I really think you need some new friends. ... Most of the Armenians I know are excellent people. Great professionals .. many with advanced degrees and successful careers, great families etc. I have no doubt there is also a segment of the population that will fit the way you are describing things, but it is by NO means everyone.

As far as the youth, sure if you go looking for them in the alleys and outside walmart, you will probably find the kind you are describing above. If you look to the finer academic institutions like UCLA, USC, caltech, etc, you will find some amazingly bright and successful Armenians.

[Ideology]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

Very good explanation. It is true that every single culture has experienced a dark side before integrating into the culture. Even the Irish, Italians, and Russians had these issues in New York a 100 years ago. Amazing, I wonder why this happens? Too bad we didn't immigrate in masses many years ago. I would have loved to live in the better days.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Does anyone feel like me?

I don't think there is anyone here that disagrees with you, however this phenomenon can be observed in every ethnic community that tries to integrate into western society.

[Ideology]

Hey all. I am an Armenian American who is as Armenian as I am American. I value the idea of acculturation and assimulation into the American lifestyle. But here is what I have felt since a teenager. I am quite embarrassed of the Armenians in Southern California. Many of the men are deceitful, un-honorable, backstabbing, gangsta dressing, chevunistic pig like, woman bashing, con artist, cigerette smoking, having low self esteems (yet covering up for it), badly dressed, uncooperative, drama starting, nuerotic, evil thinking, money worshipping, and have superiority complex.

Now the women are devious, snakish, deceitful, man hating, personality lacking, anti-fun, miserable, hateful, non-flirtatious, power hungry, unhonorable, sneaky, valueless, and spiriteless women.

The dating life between Armenian men and women is almost non existant compared to other races.

The level of trust in groups of Armenians is at least childishly sad.

The immaturity of adult Armenians makes you think they are teenagers stuck in a 30 year old mans body.

The reflection given back to other races in Southern Cali is disgraceful and bad for our diaspora as far as oppurtinities go.

And to top it off, most Armenians are very nuerotic and will do almost anything for the tiniest, weeniest bit of power over another Armenian. While Armenians are going after crumbs, other races are going after mountains of wealth while in complete cooperation of each other.

Armenians burn and betray each other like it's a sport. They only team up when there is a common enemy.

Armenians outside of Southern California talk about how So Cal Armenians eat each other for lunch.

Armenians take pride in being devious. One Armenian name I saw a female have in an Armenian dating site was "Vicious". She was obviously proud of the fact that she was, at least, trying to be vicious. Who in their right mind would respond to an ad like that?

Armenians in So Cal seem to be in a constant state of fear, and mental anguish, yet are unwilling to admit their problems in fear of being ridiculed.

Armenians in So Cal are in heavy denial.

There is a lot of mental abuse going on in most Armenian homes, that is done in such a covert way, noone can prove it. Parents mentally abuse their children as they were once abused, and the children pass that on to their kids.

I never see Armenians genuinly happy for each other. There always is a sense of jealousy.

In this community, the book lover is labeled a nerd, the enthusiastic girl is labeled a xxxxx, the man who dresses like a gentlemen is labeled a p**ssy, the divorced elder woman who desires to get married is labeled a xxxxx or a milf, the less aggressive men are labeled gay, the kind loving girl who is happy in life is also labeled a xxxxx, the personality or character types are demonized for their valueable asset of self expression, and the list goes on.

Brothers don't even trust each other. There is havoc in homes. Children are taught to disassociate with "otars".

God forbid if an Armenian man dates an Asian or Black. As if they are subhuman.

Armenian women are forced to have sexual intercourse with otars due to their fear of being labeled a xxxxx.

Armenian women like black men for their uncanny ability of self expression, which is highly lacking in Armenian men.

We are all taught to be boring, unenthusiastic fools or else we are ridiculed.

Children don't have the oppurtinity to discover themselves.

Hell, I can keep going with this.

To me, the Armenian community in So Cal is a frieking disaster! And we are in constant denial of it as if we are doing good for the community in denying it.

We are taught to be self serving, self serving, or selfish pigs with no personalities or love towards anyone. No culture on earth is spiritually seperated as we are. We try to justify ourselves by pointing at a handful of flaws other cultures have, and yet, ignore the enourmous amount of flaws right here in our own culture!

For heaven's sake. I am Armenian. I have able to see this and speak freely about it, no matter the reprucutions. The only way to fix something is first to acknowledge it, not deny it or cover it up.

I have befriended all races and creeds. Each race has had its own set of problems, but..... nothing, and I mean nothing compared to the problems we have. For a long time, we have denied many of our intercultural problems, and therefore, they were never fixed, and therefore, they are exploding in size and number. This is drowning all Armenians, and giving no hope to the future Armenians.

We need to encourage diversity and practice a bit of brotherly love, and respect for Gods sake. Not put each other down anytime we rise, or express ourselves. And I'm not talking about hatred disguised as love. Real respect towards each other is considered honorable amongst any other race. Respect is respect. We need to remember, we weren't born perfect and we can't put down those who are in their growth process, even if they make mistakes. If we are accepting gay Armenian in the community, then why not just accept all Armenians? Why not only befriend Armenians with an open mind and a clean spirit? They are hard to find, very. I personally only discriminate against those I find to be mean spirited, jealous, and malicious. These are disgusting qualities to have. I personally befriend loving, confident, respectful, easy going, caring, and optimistic people. And I find them to be so often the successful ones!

When and how are we all going to learn these qualities? How many years of torment do we have to bring on our own kind until we realize that this isn't working? How many years of public humiliation while other races are calling us God damn morons because they see these horrible qualities in us? How many times have you overheard them saying how much they hate us? And believe me, they know how vicious Armenians are and wouldn't dare say it near one, so if you have heard it, it's only a tiny percentage of all the hatred they have for us. And NO, its not because they are "hatin" or jealous like many Armenians think! It's because they think we are evil... and in evil there is darkness, and in darkness everyone is blind and falls over their own two feet. This is the biggest problem. Armenians have it all confused. Instead of being proud to be decieftful, vicious, money loving, gangsta, or whatever, we need to be proud of being as honorable as we possibly can be, like much of the rest of the world thinks. Holy sh*t, when are we going to learn? How many times does the criminal have to go to jail, get gang raped, beaten, and betrayed to see that crime doesn't pay? Do you see what I am saying? It's a horrible situation - at least here in SoCal it is.

To be fair, I am prominently talking about SoCal. I have heard the Armenians in Armenia are in much better shape than we are here. And also, I would like to proclaim that I am Armenian. And I am Hayastanci, probably the Armenian type with the most severe of all problems. I have personally faced my demons and confirmed my own problems as I was growing up, and I have done everything and anything to be as honorable of a person as I can be, which cleaned up most of my problems overtime.

The idea is not to be the snake, but to be the sheep, and yet be sharper than the snake (verse in Bible).

There is no honor, no value, and no pride in being a snake. Especially one dressed in sheeps clothing.

Again, this is on behalf of SoCal Armenians. I have seen some beautiful Armenians in Europe and still have to vacation in Armenia. This is from the bottom of my heart. I can forsee further damaging affects on the psyches' of Armenians if this mayham continues. Also, I know that not Armenians are like this. But here is something you have to realize. Even if 20% are as described, that is 1 out of every 5 Armenians! That means if you go into a room full of 50 Armenians, the 10 wandering around screw it up for the rest of us!

To be successful in a culture, the bottom class should be at 3% or lower.

Speaking of class, shame on those who practice evil and yet claim to be high class. Being high class isn't the way you dress or how well you pronouce words you moron, its about honor and value.

And if you are one of the uncofident types. Suck it up and practice the art of honor. Don't let anything turn you into a classless piece of xxxx. Because if you think you have problems now, wait until you fully depreciate in being one of the classless types. It gets much worst.

The one thing I've learned in life is that when one attempts to gain honor, he gains strength. One who attempts to be a danger to others, end up dying in shame and in dishonor, and probably spiritually alone and unhappy.

I hope this is read with an open mind. And please no stupid comments with gangsta talk, profanity, or put downs. If you want to discuss this intellectually, feel free to agree or disagree like an adult would.

Thank you