Disturbing question on Artsakh

[KanadaHye]

Re: Disturbing question on Artsakh

Well, I don't see how this contradicts my assertion. The half Armenians who hold their Armenianness in great joy, who are dedicated towards our tradition are not the example of "humanists" I was addressing. The ones I was addressing were those who by seeking intermarriage with other races, or even marriage with another Armenian, who wish to cast aside their tradition and culture, they are the otaramols who pat themselves on the back with modern liberal ideas of freedom, democracy, egalitarianism. They live for "high standard of living" and like flies go to a turd, they seek a place where the economy is "doing well" so they can raise their families and adopt whatever otar ideal of the land they settle in.

Basically, he was addressing the sellouts....

[jgk3]

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Humanism = the destruction of my race right?
Humanism opposed the idea of racial preservation.
Humanists say your race, religion, ethnicity etc doesn't
matter, let's all intermarry and create a hybrid population
together forgetting all national racial cultural and ethnic pride.

Humanism is most typically a philosophical and artistic movement that holds in the highest regard the lowest common denominator of human feelings, aspirations and values. It tries to forge an objective reality of beauty and culture out of the human race.

It is a force that transforms the concept of race into nation, the concept of tradition and religion into secular laws, hierarchical leadership based on merit and virtue into egalitarianism based on nothing other than citizenship status, and so forth...

Why? Because it's eliminated the spiritual ideal that a race can live for and has replaced it with a perverted focus on the human itself, with all its feelings and aspirations, desires and what not. Thus, it creates a precedent for a society to model itself after trying to satisfy the Pandora's box of volatile emotions that it opened, which it can never do, resulting in the most greedy and deceitful members of society to fill the vacuum of leadership and manipulate the rest of society for their own materialistic benefit.

This chaos would not become such a static, prolonged yoke on humanity if its multitude of races were left spiritually intact with their traditional conceptions of the universe which have allowed them to survive, in our case, for several millennia.

Western Civilization has explored this humanism without interruption for at least 400 years, I hope its curiosity is satisfied so that it can stop creating ever more decadent ideals for the human race, so that it can stop exporting these ideals to the rest of the world.

[jgk3]

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Basically, he was addressing the sellouts....

yep.

[hrai]

Re: Disturbing question on Artsakh

Well, I don't see how this contradicts my assertion. The half Armenians who hold their Armenianness in great joy, who are dedicated towards our tradition are not the example of "humanists" I was addressing. The ones I was addressing were those who by seeking intermarriage with other races, or even marriage with another Armenian, who wish to cast aside their tradition and culture, they are the otaramols who pat themselves on the back with modern liberal ideas of freedom, democracy, egalitarianism. They live for "high standard of living" and like flies go to a turd, they seek a place where the economy is "doing well" so they can raise their families and adopt whatever otar ideal of the land they settle in.

ayo

[hipeter924]

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That's what sort of family my mother was brought up in. They chose to forget their past and move on, including forgetting the language. I gave up trying to convince her that Obama is not a great guy for refusing to recognize the genocide, his foreign policy - which includes increasing aid to the Azeri terrorists and decreasing aid to Armenia,etc. But she won't listen.

I think a lot of the problem with the diaspora is they chose to forget their roots and their values in exchange for American ones, and in doing so can sometimes inadvertently side with the very people most dangerous to Armenia, for example there are some 'Armenian's' who side with the genocide deniers.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Disturbing question on Artsakh

That's what sort of family my mother was brought up in. They chose to forget their past and move on, including forgetting the language. I gave up trying to convince her that Obama is not a great guy for refusing to recognize the genocide, his foreign policy - which includes increasing aid to the Azeri terrorists and decreasing aid to Armenia,etc. But she won't listen.

I think a lot of the problem with the diaspora is they chose to forget their roots and their values in exchange for American ones, and in doing so can sometimes inadvertently side with the very people most dangerous to Armenia, for example there are some 'Armenian's' who side with the genocide deniers.

The media does such a great job of presenting America as the model for peace for every country because so many different races and ethnic groups live side by side. However, this only works because when people migrate, they have to learn the English language, be part of the fast paced, money worshiping culture and have to work their butts off to survive while their children end up being assimilated in the process. It's almost like systematic ethnic cleansing over a long period of time. Unless your family and roots are very strong, chances are over 1 or 2 generations you will have forgotten your roots. Of course, this goes for any country that accepts migrant families and workers.

[hipeter924]

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The media does such a great job of presenting America as the model for peace for every country because so many different races and ethnic groups live side by side. However, this only works because when people migrate, they have to learn the English language, be part of the fast paced, money worshiping culture and have to work their butts off to survive while their children end up being assimilated in the process. It's almost like systematic ethnic cleansing over a long period of time. Unless your family and roots are very strong, chances are over 1 or 2 generations you will have forgotten your roots. Of course, this goes for any country that accepts migrant families and workers.

I don't think America is that great a model for races and ethnic groups. Prefer NZ to US because the policy is clearly intergrationist as opposed to assimilation meaning most people here when they immigrate still keep their ethnic identity and language. But to be fair its a small country, and the US is a big one.

[jgk3]

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for example there are some 'Armenian's' who side with the genocide deniers.

Yeah, or worse yet, Armenians who believe we deserved the genocide for rising up against the Turks.

[Federate]

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The number of Armenians who side with deniers is very small. They are all found in Turkey, for obvious reasons. But even within the Bolsahye community, they remain a minority.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Disturbing question on Artsakh

The number of Armenians who side with deniers is very small. They are all found in Turkey, for obvious reasons. But even within the Bolsahye community, they remain a minority.

So you don't think there were Armenians operating inside and outside the Ottoman Empire that economically benefited from its collapse? I find that hard to believe.