Armenians and Nazi Germany

[hipeter924]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

This is one of the dumbest freaking comment I have read in the Internet, Turkey was the only place during WW2 were J ews were accepted.. In fact in Occupied Europe especially in France.. Turks saved more then 30,000 J ews.

Stop lying you clown.

I am telling the truth, do you actually believe the Armenian Genocide happened or are you one of these American deniers, that got his history degree from a Armenian hating Azeri-Turk professor?

I don't see the point talking to you any further, you belong with the Young Turks, take your pitchfork and go...no wait. Armenia defeated your Azeri fail cousins and you can't do xxxx now. Bye have fun losing the war....again. Next Armenia gets western Armenia back from its Turkish occupiers.

[KingOfYoz]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

I agree with what you say Hipeter, however, Armenia was FAR from neutral since it bled its best sons and daughters in WWII which had a huge cost (some 200-250 thousand out of few million! compare this number ration with other Ally nations) on Armenian demographics. Whole villages and towns missed two generations of men, as women took upon themselves the task of raising their offspring, not to mention that birthrates would not recover until early 1960s. This is a HUGE sacrifice that mustn't be undermined or trivialized (since again this was a very heavy toll and impact), which is being attempted not by you, but by the fellow above.

Will you please stop saying sons and daughters? you sound like a redneck bible-belt trash.

[KingOfYoz]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

Wait is it actually funny that during WW2.. we had a population problem? and then you guys accuse me of being a Turk?

Face it you clowns.. we killed J ews and I'm happy we did.. I won't be surprised if you guys are in fact J ews

[Catharsis]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

Finally in Armenia's case it was a neutral power, as was Turkey, as was Switzerland, and a few other nations (that were lucky enough not to be invaded by the Nazi's)...so if you ask is it possible some xxxs were sent to the Nazi death camps perhaps.

I agree with what you say Hipeter, however, Armenia was FAR from neutral since it bled its best sons and daughters in WWII which had a huge cost (some 200-250 thousand out of few million! compare this number ration with other Ally nations) on Armenian demographics. Whole villages and towns missed two generations of men, as women took upon themselves the task of raising their offspring, not to mention that birthrates would not recover until early 1960s. This is a HUGE sacrifice that mustn't be undermined or trivialized (since again this was a very heavy toll and impact), which is being attempted not by you, but by the fellow above.

[KingOfYoz]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

But as for the Turkish Government they were delighted to help the Nazi's kill the xxxs

This is one of the dumbest freaking comment I have read in the Internet, Turkey was the only place during WW2 were J ews were accepted.. In fact in Occupied Europe especially in France.. Turks saved more then 30,000 J ews.

Stop lying you clown.

[hipeter924]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

Let me give a list of places at the time that deliberately denied xxxs entry to their countries knowing full well that xxxs were being persecuted and killed:

North America
- Canada and the United States
South America
Britain
The Pacific
- Australia
- New Zealand

Yet all these places are not accused of being perpetrators of the Nazi Holocaust (even though they refused xxxs entry throughout the war and did nothing to help the xxxs in the war).

As for Occupied Europe they didn't have a choice, the government was conquered or a puppet ally of Nazi Germany, if they refused the order to send the xxxs to death it would be mean death for that puppet government, but saying that some government leaders did help xxxs in occupied Europe especially in Norway, Sweden, Denmark,Netherlands,etc despite this.

Finally Switzerland, and a few other nations (that were lucky enough not to be invaded by the Nazi's)...so if you ask is it possible some xxxs were sent to the Nazi death camps to stop their country being invaded perhaps. But I am very sceptical of these genocide accusations against Armenia, especially since it comes from Turkey and Azerbaijan.

But as for the Turkish Government they were delighted to help the Nazi's kill the xxxs, it meant getting rid of some the "enemies of Turkey" that they missed the chance of committed genocide against in the Armenian Genocide period.

Both Turkey and Israel deny this because if Israeli public knew the truth, the Israeli govt might find itself forced (by angry Israeli voters) to cut diplomatic relations with Turkey.

Edit: My error....if you see Catharsis post later on

[Catharsis]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

[QUOTE=KingOfYoz;286131]Problem is I don't believe what you write of course after 60 years.. it's easy to say Generals/ Marshals yadda yadda.. don't try to fool me..[quote]

You said over a million and a half Armenians fought not to mention ( we were still recovering from the ( Genocide ) you really think I believe this baloney?

You know what, it is really secondary what you "believe" you can even believe in flying spaghetti monsters. This will NOT change history though (luckily).

If anything we probably had the lowest number of soldiers in the Red Army probably 200,000 because of our population problem.

[KingOfYoz]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

Yeah, perhaps symbolically standing for Stalin, but who knows why he was chosen to do so. Armenians still had more generals and marshals, and as I said received highest awards - considerably more than the Georgians, Azeris or many nationalities of the USSR for that matter (proportion wise even higher than that of Russians, who fought bravely in their own right). But this is not a "pis*ing contest" between Armenians and Georgians or others, and is not my intent to turn it into such. I am just pointing out Armenian contribution to the victory in World War II and the liberation of Europe which you very insubstantially try to undermine.

Problem is I don't believe what you write of course after 60 years.. it's easy to say Generals/ Marshals yadda yadda.. don't try to fool me..

You said over a million and a half Armenians fought not to mention ( we were still recovering from the ( Genocide ) you really think I believe this baloney?

If anything we probably had the lowest number of soldiers in the Red Army probably 200,000 because of our population problem.

[Catharsis]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

Yes, I mean think about it... Milton Kantaria was one of the heroes of the Soviet union who put the Soviet flag in Reichstag and he was Georgian..

Yeah, perhaps symbolically standing for Stalin, but who knows why he was chosen to do so. Armenians still had more generals and marshals, and as I said received highest awards - considerably more than the Georgians, Azeris or many nationalities of the USSR for that matter (proportion wise even higher than that of Russians, who fought bravely in their own right). But this is not a "pis*ing contest" between Armenians and Georgians or others, and is not my intent to turn it into such. I am just pointing out Armenian contribution to the victory in World War II and the liberation of Europe which you very insubstantially try to undermine.

[KingOfYoz]

Re: The Nazi-Armenian Genocide

I don't think you're old enough for your friend's father to have fought in WWII. My grampa and great-uncle both fought in WWII, and neither one said he felt safe because the Germans "didn't kill Armenians"

Exactly... they FOUGHT.. which is a big difference because the guy actually wanted to fight for the Germans unlike you're grandpa.. by the way learn how to spell.

If you think Germans wanted to kill Armenians during WW2 then you have absolutely no clue about the situation. I know many friends who said that there fathers did not receive any threats from Germans during WW2...