Iranians in Armenia

[Catharsis]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

If there was true assimilation, these things would not be here. And, those things and a thriving Armenian community were not in Khalyvood 40 years ago.

Cuisine is not particularly attached to a people. Any people. For example, African-Americans can make French dishes without coming into contact with any Frenchman. Recipes with dishes from all over the world are often sought because of their "exotic flavor." Again, you do not need to have Armenians to have those dishes. Although, perhaps arguably a living culture with these staple dishes would naturally permeate it more, hence there are more "in circulation" in places like Hollywood or Santa Monica. By the way, the new generation is already losing these dishes as many prefer "fast foods" and other restaurants often non-Armenian. While both women and men are less inclined to maintain the Armenian kitchen along with cuisine. Again, this is not happening in one day, but the trend is definitely in that direction.

Most diasporan Armenians similate the places were they migrated from not to. All these diasporan Armenian schools and churches are great examples of assimilation. Diasporan Armenians are assimilating because they want to not because they have to.

I agree with the above. They "want to" because of all kinds of reasons which some of us would indeed call complexes of inferiority.

Maybe they don't want to be associated with dimwits, oh knowledgeable one.

What they want or do not is another issue. The fact stands that they are assimilating contrary to your earlier assertion.

Its difficult arguing in a quiet room.

As for the topic, its illogical as its based on a flawed premise.

Not so, assimilation is a fact of life that very few deny, especially in the US.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

So how does Americans "eating dolma" and "lahmajoun" stop assimilation? This logic is beyond silly. Btw none of those foods are strictly Armenian.



We have already lost fourth, third, and even second generation Armenians to assimilation. I don't know about you, but I know those "communities" very well and they are but a shadow of their former selves.



Stick to the topic freaky, you don't want to give the impression you don't have any arguments now do you.

If there was true assimilation, these things would not be here. And, those things and a thriving Armenian community were not in Khalyvood 40 years ago.

Most diasporan Armenians similate the places were they migrated from not to. All these diasporan Armenian schools and churches are great examples of assimilation. Diasporan Armenians are assimilating because they want to not because they have to.

Maybe they don't want to be associated with dimwits, oh knowledgeable one.

Its difficult arguing in a quiet room.

As for the topic, its illogical as its based on a flawed premise.

[Catharsis]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

I'm assuming that you've never had dolma outside of Armenia. How do you think grape leaves got sold in Khalyvood? Lahmajoun and Tahn on Santa Monica? Khash restaurants? A place where they actually sell Khash in the U.S.

So how does Americans "eating dolma" and "lahmajoun" stop assimilation? This logic is beyond silly. Btw none of those foods are strictly Armenian.

Oh no, we are all perishing in the diaspora. Starving. Bastardizing our culture. That's what we are doing. Yup. Yup.

We have already lost fourth, third, and even second generation Armenians to assimilation. I don't know about you, but I know those "communities" very well and they are but a shadow of their former selves.

Catharsis? Or, cathartic?

Stick to the topic freaky, you don't want to give the impression you don't have any arguments now do you.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

Armenians have not survived and will not survive in Diaspora, at least not with what our "leaders" both in the Homeland and Diaspora are "doing" (which is not much when it comes to radical steps to at least slow down assimilation). Even the once "solid" Near Eastern communities are melting away some into host populations while many immigrate to 'West' where assimilation is much faster. This is the trend, to deny this is either ignorance or outright denial of the overall direction Armenians are headed into. I would even add that Armenian identity in the Homeland is today threatened because of complete lack of any clear national security doctrine which involves a national ideology that would lead us into the appropriate direction.

I'm assuming that you've never had dolma outside of Armenia. How do you think grape leaves got sold in Khalyvood? Lahmajoun and Tahn on Santa Monica? Khash restaurants? A place where they actually sell Khash in the U.S.

Oh no, we are all perishing in the diaspora. Starving. Bastardizing our culture. That's what we are doing. Yup. Yup.

Catharsis? Or, cathartic?

[Parskahay]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

Many countries have tried to use us and destroy us. But, France, England especially have never done to us what the mongols, arabs, turks have done to us, not even close. France now is a great ally of us.

We have more in common with EU than middle east, bottom line. Why should we not look up to EU, many EU countries have prospered into stable, democratic countries. I don't understand what kind of future do we have in middle east? What is the obsession to be middle eastern and be like them? Why not convert to islam?

i dont know why but france is aly with all of countrys like armenia i means small ones.they really help without thinking of self-benefits
like they helped american natives to get rid of british and spanish armies in america and form their own country which is called USA now
but having a neighbor as ally is much better having a countrys as ally miles away
and you cant find UK in any place unless they have their own benefits.history have proven this

[Parskahay]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

going toward neighbors is better regardless of their position on map middle east EU or anywhere
armenia stands today because of its ally iran
iran helped armenia too much since genocide year untill now
amd how much time i must say! the north-east part of iran have fallen into turk hands alot of times they are not turks they are turkish speaking iranians and the influence of those turkic countrys have caused this turkish language

[Parskahay]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

iranian in iran never wanted to be muslim they religion turned form mihr(a religion that we alos had many years ago) to muslim by arabs i read many books about them that holy prophet mohammad himself wrote a letter to king anoushirvan of iran(armenian name? yes shows the close relation of armenia and iran in those ages)saying:you must accept islam or we attack you and make you accept it.too bad iran was aa little weak in that time and lost the war to arabs.now people in iran really suffer from that muslim pressure i was there many years and i know

the people in iran lack freedom.90% of people have their first sex when they married cause they dont have much chance to do it before marriage so people who dont marry never get a chance to have sex or barely get.
and come now! dont you know anything about armenian live in iran with open arms of iranians?armenians live there easily there are armenians churches in every city which have armenian citizens yet as i talked with haykakan before we didnt even allowed even one mousque to be built in yerevan there are 32 churches in Tehran! their name is not church! its Armenian chruch and especially built for us.and if you anything about politic mechanism of iran but there is place called named "majles" its english translation will be council.every 4 year people chose persons to have influence in president and other politic man and they can question their acts.armenians can also chose persons to be in majles.not even united states provide such thing for armenians there.and lets talk about other things too whch make life easier.petrol is free when compared with price of other countrys and many other things bread fruit and etc they are around 1$ each killo or 10 bread is 1$.goverment pays 70% pf those things so people have to pay for 30% of the things.this is the only method that keeps islamic republic of iran alive.without these things surely islamic republic will fall

iranian go to armenia to satisfy their need for freedom if people start to act like this then they will reconsider coming to armenia and may go to turkey and azerbaijan and im sure they will welcome it very much

iran will be as good as united states if just this xxxxin islamic republic comes to an end and we can benefit from this very much too

[Catharsis]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

Armenians have survived regardless of the homeland. Armenian culture will persist no matter if the demographics of the homeland are altered because of open borders.

Armenians have not survived and will not survive in Diaspora, at least not with what our "leaders" both in the Homeland and Diaspora are "doing" (which is not much when it comes to radical steps to at least slow down assimilation). Even the once "solid" Near Eastern communities are melting away some into host populations while many immigrate to 'West' where assimilation is much faster. This is the trend, to deny this is either ignorance or outright denial of the overall direction Armenians are headed into. I would even add that Armenian identity in the Homeland is today threatened because of complete lack of any clear national security doctrine which involves a national ideology that would lead us into the appropriate direction.

[Mos]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

yes hye em, neraghachun vor em barakamnera pochav Karabagh yev Tekirdag vor mehhat Hayastan chegar.

Vor Barsikner che gar achnel Hayastan, amen Hayastan hema shat vat degh gelni. Neraghachun ver du chess haskanum.

Inch es gartsoom, NKR garogenk bernenk vor mehhat hats che gah? Esh.

Gartsumes vor russnera chen kaknel Hayastan vor amen russe en khosum mechdegha? Esh.

aper lav chhasqaca, akhpar es? Akhparneri dzialeqt@ lav chem hasqanum.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Iranians in Armenia

Don't count on it. You are being too pessimistic. Armenia and Yerevan especially will become twice as beautiful if trade increases in the region as a result of open borders and Armenia takes its rightful place as a regional economic hub.

Bravo for your vision. Let us see how it plays out.