Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Mos]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Quoting statements from politically motivated parties does not account as proof.

Not only did you repeat it, you actually quoted it. Well done.

and how is what I posted politically motivated? Just because it doesn't fit your view, it doesn't mean it's politically motivated.

The essence of that was women make 91% of what men make, with all the variables like type of job taken care of.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Ok, KanadaHye. Off of my two example you win, because I'm not a statistics major. i can't find the stuff i studied when i had to take the class. though even in two of my jobs, i know i get paid less than my male counterparts. :shrug: go figure

lol, I'm not saying there might be a discrepancy but I know they go out of their way to make it seem like women are getting screwed and men have something to do with it. The fact is we're all screwed

[Tali]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

At Levon, since we disagree at the most basic level of what is a man and a woman and therefore we also disagree on what roles are, it's becoming more and more evident that this argument is getting nowhere.

[Tali]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

These data on earnings are from the Current Population Survey. Earnings data in this article are median usual weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers.

Ok, KanadaHye. Off of my two example you win, because I'm not a statistics major. i can't find the stuff i studied when i had to take the class. though even in two of my jobs, i know i get paid less than my male counterparts. :shrug: go figure

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

"somehow" i just KNEW levon was going to say something

Must be woman's intuition.

Actually, no. It wasn't feminism. Though that's an easy scapegoat. it was the idea that women can now do men's work, but not INSTEAD of women's work. it's only in addition to.

Sorry, the idea that women can do man's work does have roots in feminism. The problem is most men didn't want to do women's work so women got stuck having to do that as well.

A man with a family still gets more priority over a single man. A woman with a family gets more priority than the man because the man's role is not to care for the family (cook, feed, clothe) - it's to give money to his wife to go do all the legwork. if a man asks to get off work to go pick up his kids it's frowned upon. however, if a woman does it, that's fine.

This statement brilliantly demonstrates how women demand equality but expect special treatment. Equality is all or none. Can't be modern in the workplace then be traditional at home. Just doesn't work like that.

many professional women actually have families, but their husbands are either stay at home, or work part-time, or have flexible jobs.

Let's not twist words. Many professional women may have, but most professional women don't. Oh, by family I mean kids. Just having a husband doesn't count.

The problem Levon when you read anything from a woman working hard is that you take it as complaining. I'm stating how my life is.

You were either complaining or boasting.

I do not have the same responsibilities of men, I have more. And no, work certainly has not freed me from being a housewife. I take care of my family too

Contratulations, now all you need is a pen!s. Then you'll be a superwoman-man.

(i even listed some that i take care of). In addition to studying and working, I care for the house, the pets. I stay on top of the yards too. I also have to ensure i'm community-involved to uphold my father's obligations to his work. I also help my father with his master's degree program.

Don't be too proud. Many men are in your situation as well.

even the best workers can't demand extra benefits because they won't get the $ they're looking for because it's simply not there.

Depends on the industry. Not all industries are broke (namely, the ones that have few women aren't broke, though only because most women aren't interested in these industries)

you'd be surprised how many people do "b!tch" about their families in the professional workplace. even when it's frowned upon.

Yes, and while they b!tch, I'll be busy becoming their boss.

Intriguing argument. I can see that from some men. We appropriately call them "Momma's Boys." That's not my definition of a man.

Naturally, being a women you feel that your definition of a man is the right definition. However, as a woman, you have no place in defining what a man is.

The one you used, in my opinion, is an outdated one. Maybe that's why it's hard for you to see my arguments because my generation has changed a lot of those roles and obligations. in my family, even when i was little, i had to do more than my brother -- including tasks that you'd probably argue are "men's work" (house repairs by chance?)

I'm pretty sure we're in the same generation. There is a popular belief of what a men should be and many males foolishly follow it, and change with it as the opinions change. Then, there are actual men who don't need anyone(woman, media, corporation, etc) to tell them what a men is.
Naturally, since you're not a man, it'll be hard for you to understand what I'm talking about.

The hypocrisy is that we're not equal. we never will be.

Could this be, you saw the light?

we may be permitted to do what men can do (to a certain degree...) but we will always have to do both.

Nop, spoke too soon. Looks like more b!tching about how hard it is to be a woman, since a woman has to be both a man and a woman. Why don't you just be a woman and stop the b!tching me asks?

As you yourself argued, you frowned upon the professional woman who opts not to have a family.

I don't frown upon it. Women may do whatever they want, but they shouldn't expect extra benefits just for being women. Professional women, however, more often than not exploit the fact that they are surrounded by men.

She's essentially "equal" as a man (her pay won't reflect that, but putting that aside for now). However, she's frowned upon b/c she's not ALSO doing a woman's role.

You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. She isn't frowned upon for being childless. No, no, no. She is frowned upon when she demands to be equal with men and competes with them, and expects to be treated as one of the boys, but then when the situation calls for it, expects to receive special treatment just because she is a woman. She demands equality with men, but refuses to part with the privileges afforded to women.

And actually, the more you read the link I gave you, it actually does break it down. however, that wasn't even why i gave you the link. it was so you could see what kind of jobs women had.

No, it doesn't compare what men and women make in the same profession at the same job level.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2008/oct/wk4/art03.htm


there you go.
though that wasn't the main premise of my reason for bringing it up.

how much % they get of a man's wages =/= 100% (Equal)

These data on earnings are from the Current Population Survey. Earnings data in this article are median usual weekly earnings of full-time wage and salary workers.

[Tali]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2008/oct/wk4/art03.htm

there you go.
though that wasn't the main premise of my reason for bringing it up.

how much % they get of a man's wages =/= 100% (Equal)

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Here's the definition of "median" from dictionary.com:
Arithmetic, Statistics . the middle number in a given sequence of numbers, taken as the average of the two middle numbers when the sequence has an even number of numbers: 4 is the median of 1, 3, 4, 8, 9.

Exactly, so 5 men could make 55, 55, 50, 30, 30 while 5 women can make 70, 70, 48, 40, 40 and the median for men can be shown to be higher than women.

[levon]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

So women's wages are not drastically off, but even with the factored in occupation/industry it's still not 100% of men's earnings.

Quoting statements from politically motivated parties does not account as proof.

I have not been repeating feminist lies, and I'm not a feminist. And when someone insults me, I'm not going to ignore it.

Not only did you repeat it, you actually quoted it. Well done.

[Tali]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Notice they use "median" and not averages.


Then how come Americans have no clue that their military occupies over 130 countries? lol

Yes when it's referring to salaries. My point for giving him that post was because of his statements like these:

It effectively removes the fact that many more men that women work in dangerous professions, such as mining construction, etc. These men naturally get paid more than a woman who works a safe stress-free job in the office. However, once you just look at averages, it appears that women work full time, men work full time, but women earn less.

I'm studying forensic nursing. That is neither safe, nor stressless

That's because not all americans are interested in that. many americans are more interested in the problems they have in their home base. there is a huge debate right now about the current wars America's involved in.