How does everyone feel about Israel?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Rockefeller Associates

"In the 1880s, an oil boom was brewing in Tsarist Russia, around the Caspian Sea town of Baku. Robert Nobel, the son of Alfred Nobel (originator of Sweden’s peace prize and the inventor of dynamite), was soon competing with the Parisian Rothschilds for control of Central Asia oil treasure. Their exports threatened Rockefeller’s near global oil monopoly, especially when Marcus Samuel, future founder of Shell Oil, developed tankers to carry the Rothchild’s oil to Europe and Asia. In 1903, Rockefeller made a deal with the Tsarist government to lease and then buy the Baku oil fields. Besides selling vast quantities of American oil to pre-Soviet Russia, Rockefeller also had millions invested there. Thereafter, seeing an inevitable revolution looming on the horizon, Rockefeller also invested in anti-Tzarist forces to protect this branch of his empire. The Soviets did expropriate the Caspian oil fields from the Nobels and Rothschilds. Rockefeller’s National City Bank also lost assets, thanks to the revolution. Its lawyer, Joseph Proskauer, fought a legal battle to get Rockefeller’s money back. In 1926, Walter Teagle, the president of Standard Oil of New Jersey, successfully negotiated oil concessions in the Soviet Union."

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/link...ckefeller.html

My guess would be that there was a migration of J3ws from Europe to Baku around the 1880's.

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Well Armenian presence was erased long before all this (except for that church in Baku).

There is a history of J3ws in Baku - Baku during Soviet Times was a multicultural city with many Armenians, J3ws, Georgians, and so on. It was a rich oil city also and thus attractive to these groups. In my opinion, Azeris are building new Synangoues, first due to the j3wish community desire but also due to the fact that they want to look good and "tolerable" to Europe and the West.

You have the order switched around. They are doing it to stick it to Iran and curry favor with israel, the secondary reason is that their still joos in baku. BTW, Mos, these joos are among the harshest critics of Armenia and Armenians.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Step 1) Get rid of all Armenian presence
Step 2) Build Synagogues to coverup the history
Step 3) No Armenian history

Good luck waging war against a country with Synagogues.

Well Armenian presence was erased long before all this (except for that church in Baku).

There is a history of J3ws in Baku - Baku during Soviet Times was a multicultural city with many Armenians, J3ws, Georgians, and so on. It was a rich oil city also and thus attractive to these groups. In my opinion, Azeris are building new Synangoues, first due to the j3wish community desire but also due to the fact that they want to look good and "tolerable" to Europe and the West.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

What's wrong with building new synagogues? Azerbaijan has considerable J3wish population thus it will cater to them.

Step 1) Get rid of all Armenian presence
Step 2) Build Synagogues to coverup the history
Step 3) No Armenian history

Good luck waging war against a country with Synagogues.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

http://news.az/articles/search?q=synagogue

What's wrong with building new synagogues? Azerbaijan has considerable J3wish population thus it will cater to them.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

http://news.az/articles/politics/14668

The bulletin quotes Israeli President Shimon Peres as having said, “Despite the [Armenian] occupation you have managed to preserve your culture and optimism. I understand the problem of a million of refugees and IDP [internally displaced persons] in the country with a population of over 8 million people. This means that every eighth citizen of the country is a displaced person. But you cope with this problem with dignity.”

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According to Shafiyev, the years when Azerbaijan fell under the Soviet Union were marked by many Azerbaijani-xxxish marriages. But Baku, his city of origin, was the “first place where legal Hebrew courses in the Soviet Union were opened.” Shafiyev also made a point of saying that “Today, there is a [three-story] synagogue in Baku [which was opened on March 9, 2003] which is the largest synagogue in Europe.”

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Before the interview concluded, Shafiyev noted that “The only Azerbaijani to ever have won the Nobel Peace prize was a xxx. His name was Lev Landau.”

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

http://news.az/articles/search?q=synagogue

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Not sure if this was posted on the forum yet. From Wikileaks.
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S e c r e t section 01 of 02 baku 000020

Noforn
sipdis

Dept for eur/carc

E.o. 12958: decl: 01/13/2029
Tags: pgov, prl, pter, aj, is, ir
Subject: azerbaijan's discreet symbiosis with israel

Ref: a. Iir 6 941 0165 09//usdao baku//061207zjan09
(notal)
b. 08 baku 1119
c. Baku 17

Classified By: POL/ECON COUNSELOR ROB GARVERICK, REASONS 1.4 B AND D
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 BAKU 000020 NOFORN SIPDIS DEPT FOR EUR/CARC E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/13/2029 TAGS: PGOV PRL PTER AJ IS IR
1.(C) Summary. Azerbaijan,s relations with Israel are discreet but close. Each country finds it easy to identify with the other,s geopolitical difficulties and both rank Iran as an existential security threat. Israel,s world-class defense industry with its relaxed attitude about its customer base is a perfect match for Azerbaijan,s substantial defense needs that are largely left unmet by the United States, Europe and Russia for various reasons tied to Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Aptly described by Azerbaijani President Aliyev as being &like an iceberg, nine-tenths of it is below the surface,8 this relationship is also marked by a pragmatic recognition by Israel of Azerbaijan,s political need to hew publicly and in international forums to the OIC,s general line. End Summary.
¶2. (U) This cable is based on Embassy interactions with Israeli colleagues in Baku and with Azerbaijani MFA officials whom we have demarched on Israeli issues.
¶3. (C) Much like Israel, Azerbaijan perceives Iran as a major, even existential security threat, and the two countries, cooperation flows from this shared recognition. The (U.S.-born) Israeli Ambassador in Baku, Arthur Lenk, often conveys his country,s empathy by remarking with dark humor that if he &had the chance to exchange neighborhoods, with Azerbaijan, I wouldn,t do it.8 Even open sources have identified an extensive relationship between the countries, intelligence services that even predated the presidency of Heydar Aliyev and it only stands to reason that this remains a major area of cooperation which both sides naturally seek to downplay.
¶4. (C) The Azerbaijani authorities assiduously protect Israeli interests in Baku. For example, the DCM of the Baku Embassy told Emboff that the GOAJ had noticeably improved local security at the Israeli Embassy when the most recent operations began in Gaza. When authorities got word of a planned demonstration on January 2, they dispatched buses to the place where the protesters were preparing to set off for the Embassy and arrested them on the spot. Police detained 25 of the 150 demonstrators rounded up, and 20 of them were sentenced to 10 or 15 days, detention. In sharp contrast, the GOAJ allows demonstrators to picket the Iranian Embassy, so long as the subject of the protest is the treatment of Azeris in Iran. In connection with the December 2 demonstration, the Israeli Embassy told us that they &never even saw8 the demonstrators and made no requests before or after that anyone be held in custody.
¶5. (C) Through its close relations with Israel, Azerbaijan gets a level of access to the quality weapon systems it needs to develop its army that it can not obtain from the U.S. and Europe due to various legal limitations, nor from its ex-Soviet suppliers, Belarus and Ukraine. Where other Wastern nations are reluctant to sell ground combat systems to the Azerbaijanis for fear of encouraging Azerbaijan to resort to war to regain NK and the occupied territories, Israel is free to make substantial arms sales and benefits greatly from deals with its well-heeled client. In September 2008 ) again in a little-publicized affair ) the GOAJ signed an extensive agreement with the Israeli Defense Ministry providing for three Israeli companies to provide mortars, ammunition, rocket artillery and radio equipment. The company &Soltam8 got the contract to provide mortars and ammunition, &Tadiran Communications8 will provide radio gear, and Israeli Military Industries will provide the rockets. IMI sells a range of rocket artillery and BAKU 00000020 002 OF 002 accessories ranging from upgrade kits for Soviet vintage BM-21 &Grad8 122mm systems, guidance packages for 122mm-300mm rockets and launch vehicles for up to 300mm rockets. It was not clear what exactly the Azerbaijanis bought, as the deal was simply described as being worth &hundreds of millions of dollars.8 Azerbaijan already operates IMI,s 122mm &Lynx8 multiple-launch rocket system, which it mounts on a KAMAZ 63502 heavy truck.
¶6. (S/NF) Recent USDAO reporting also indicates that the GOAJ through its Ministry of Defense Industries has created a joint venture with an Israeli entity to produce unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). This venture will have 51 per cent GOAJ ownership and is distinct from the arrangements reported in para. 5 above.
¶7. (C) Israeli contacts tell us that President Aliyev aptly described the bilateral relationship as &an iceberg; nine-tenths of it is below the surface8 during the May 2008 visit of Agriculture Minister Shalom Simhon. The sentiment is accurate because Baku balances its cordial relations with the xxxish state with its perceived responsibilities in to the OIC. Therefore Azerbaijan does not maintain an embassy in Israel, it dutifully (although weakly) criticizes Israeli military operations in the Palestinian territories and Lebanon, and in international organizations supports the OIC line and avoids any chance of angering Iran. When Emboff delivered demarches on the UNGA Israel resolutions recently (Reftel A), our MFA contact explained that Azerbaijan would follow the OIC line and that there was &an understanding8 with Israel about Azerbaijan,s voting behavior. Our Israeli contacts do not use the same word but acknowledge that they do not attempt to pressure Azerbaijan on these questions. The relationship also affects U.S. policy insofar as Azerbaijan tries, often successfully, to convince the U.S. pro-Israel lobby to advocate on its behalf.
¶8. (C) The relationship does have its limits; it does not translate into any preferential treatment for Israeli investors or capital in Azerbaijan (Note: this hardly sets Israel apart among countries whose citizens invest here. End note.) With some humor, the Israeli DCM told us that Israeli businessmen expressed to her that they prefer corruption in Kazakhstan to that of Azerbaijan because in Kazakhstan one can expect to pay exorbitant &fees8 to do business but those are generally collected at once, up front, whereas in Azerbaijan the demands for bribes never cease.
¶9. (C) Israel,s relations with Azerbaijan are based strongly on pragmatism and a keen appreciation of priorities. Israel,s main goal is to preserve Azerbaijan as an ally against Iran, a platform for reconnaissance of that country and as a market for military hardware. In order to ensure those goals, the Israelis have keenly attuned themselves to the GOAJ,s needs as an OIC member and a state ) like Israel ) wedged between large, powerful and unfriendly neighbors. They forgo the option of pressuring the GOAJ on secondary issues to secure the primary ones. It is apparent to us that for now both sides are well satisfied with the bilateral state of affairs. LU

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/01/09BAKU20.html

It's striking to see how they are able to have very good relations with Palestine and also with Israel. From what I see, Azerbaijan is just a tool being used by Israel in its mortal rivalry with Iran - similarly how 3rd party nations were used during Cold War between Soviets and US.

[Federate]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I have moved all the Armenia-Iran related posts to the right thread. Try to keep this thread in Israel's atmosphere, please.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Yeah but it's still not Israel attacking Armenia is it, it will for the next couple of decades be Turkey and Azerbaijan that will be or biggest enemies.

Israel doesn't attack any country that freely allows its citizens to be manipulated through pro Israeli institutions. First Israeli tactic is to invade peacefully through institutions. If there are forces that defy or repel its interests, then it resorts to using proxies to deliver force. It usually doesn't need to go further than the proxy method. Right now, I would say Azerbaijan is an Israeli proxy which threatens both Iran and Armenia.