How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Sounds about right. Khazars were Turkic and after the fall of their (J3wish) empire, they would have mixed with surrounding people since the Khazar empire was never to be seen again.

Kanada-jan: The Aliyev clan call themselves "Khazars" ... they own up to it. I'm sure the other groups within his borders don't appreciate it ... but they're pushing everyone in that direction. Everyone also has to call themselves "Azerbaijani" - a term without real meaning. He's also imported Turks from central asia - likely to staff his army.

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

And once again, how did I defend them in my previous post. Show me a quote that shows my support for Zionism.

You do not show the same disdain for zionism as you have for turks and azeris, which one would think you would if you understood that zionism has traditionaly been aligned against Armenia and its interests.

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Tell me, how the hell was I protecting them in that post? Saying that all ethnic groups pursue their self interest is all of a sudden pro-Zionist?

And you didn't address any of my points - tell me what did I say that was false?

No one is saying they are wrong per se for looking out for their interests, but we are talking about zionists who are not an ethnic group. Anyone can be a zionist. My point is that zionism, more often than not, has been and continues to be anti-Armenian therefore it is sick that any Armenian would defend their actions. There are good and bad joos as in any ethnic group, I am not debating this. What I have said is that zionism is an enemy of Armenia and Armenians, and you keep bring up the joos. Yes, many of the zionists are jooish, but not all joos adhere to the principles of zionism. What is so hard to understand here?

It is not that you are saying false things, it is that you are constantly protecting zionists or at the very least are confusing zionism with joos, and vic versa.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I agree with you; it's strange behavior that he spends all of his time on this forum doing that. Very, very, very strange.

And once again, how did I defend them in my previous post. Show me a quote that shows my support for Zionism.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Then stop going out of your way to protect the poor joos. They are doing just fine without having another neo con or whiny liberal advocating for them. And it has been clearly shown that zionists, for the most part, are anti-Armenian, yet you continue to protect them which is rather sad.

I agree with you; it's strange behavior that he spends all of his time on this forum doing that. Very, very, very strange.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Then stop going out of your way to protect the poor joos. They are doing just fine without having another neo con or whiny liberal advocating for them. And it has been clearly shown that zionists, for the most part, are anti-Armenian, yet you continue to protect them which is rather sad.

Tell me, how the hell was I protecting them in that post? Saying that all ethnic groups pursue their self interest is all of a sudden pro-Zionist?

And you didn't address any of my points - tell me what did I say that was false?

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

My only attachment is to Armenia and the Armenian people.

Then stop going out of your way to protect the poor joos. They are doing just fine without having another neo con or whiny liberal advocating for them. And it has been clearly shown that zionists, for the most part, are anti-Armenian, yet you continue to protect them which is rather sad.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

It's easier for "American-Armenians" or even "German-Armenians" to assimilate than "Parskahyes", due to the fact that there has been a historic separation between Armenians living in Iran and the native Persians. There's also a religious component to this, our religious differences have acted as a barrier against assimilation. That being said, I still will believe sole allegiance to the Armenian people and nation is the most important and integral to your identity. You can of course at the same time support the country where you lived - but in the end of the day, if you are Armenian that allegiance belongs to your nation first, doesn't matter what country you come from.

American assimilation is akin to a genocide - as I've stated such assimilation is our biggest enemy next to Turks and Azeris. That type of assimilation is truly dangerous and something we have to prevent, because there are many Armenians in America.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

What I'm talking about is Armenians who have lived, or whose families have lived in other countries, and they identity themselves dually...Parskahye, and so on). ... Having dual allegiance is dangerous to the interests of Armenia, we should see ourselves as Armenians only. The proper way to identify yourself for let's say a Parskahye, would be "I am a Armenian, from Iran" ....

1. True or False? Most of the territorial concessions reflected in the map and treaties below set into motion, not by ParskaHyes, but by individuals that ONLY called themselves Armenians?


2. ParskaHyes have been Persian-Armenians since before the birth of Jesus: I have never heard of the effects of their "dangerous dual allegiances to the interests of Armenia." (No offense, but the poor choices that led to Armenia's present condition were made by non-hyphenated Armenians -- see map above.). Here is a ParskaHye carved into the palace at Persopolis centuries before the birth of Jesus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hay_pers.jpg What do you suggest we do? Chisel his name off? Erase the Behistun inscription of 515 BC by Darius the Great? To be fair I understand that you have a fear of a risk of assimilation from someone that calls themselves a "German-Armenian" or "Irish-Armenian" - but you can't possibly put ParskaHyes into that category, can you? It won't effect my life directly, but I believe that's what got Armenia into its present condition - and part of the reason Armenian politicians are trying to reestablish ties with Iran. I could be wrong, but those who don't understand history and doomed to repeat it. The other thing that you need to consider is that the Armenians that got caught behind the Iron-curtain during the USSR times are probably more assimilated with a 'foreign' culture than ParskaHyes. I don't say this in a mean way, but if your view is the prevalent view in Armenia, my educated guess from prior historical patterns is that in the next 100-200 years Armenia will be gone - either through assimilation into Russia; absorbed into Georgia; immigration to Glendale; or by indifference by Iranians to invasion by Turks or Azerbaijan. The entire phenomenon of the Armenian Diaspora, as we know it today, is a result of disassociation with the Persian Empire - when you put your eggs in Russia's basket they all broke (and you're never going to get someone like Jack Kevorkian or Kim Kardashian to move back to Yerevan - I'll be surprised if Kardashian's grandkids aren't African-American in the next 50 years.). That little strip of land connecting Armenia to Iran is like an umbilical cord - The ParskaHye identity is an ancient stream from which Armenia historically has replenished its cup.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Mos I agree with the subtle use of language that you point out, and I always tell people I'm an Armenian born in America. However, I think in Lucin's case she said she was Iranian based on the context of the conversation between her and Persepolis which had to do with people in Iran, their struggles and their obligations as Iranian citizens. In this context, Lucin is an Iranian whereas you and I are not.


Another thing Mos. In regards to J ews, they have something that no other diaspora or ethnic group has-- They essentially control the banking system in many nations. In fact I would argue that their influence in mass media and politics across the world stems from their control of financial institutions.