How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I'm not going to argue that point.

Israelis have shown that they like to infiltrate groups - when Iranians catch them, they expose them: http://jahanshahjavid.blogspot.com/

Armenians should always keep their radars on for this too.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Except Lucin didn't say she was Iranian-Armenian. She said she was just Iranian. That's the problem.

First you prove you're Armenian - then she'll prove she's Armenian. But seriously ....

(Drum roll please ....)

(Remember, I'm not claiming to be Armenian ... so don't start with me )

What would you do if someone's mother is Chinese and their father Armenian? How would that work? Are they still Armenian?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Israelis have shown that they like to infiltrate groups - when Iranians catch them, they expose them: http://jahanshahjavid.blogspot.com/

Armenians should always keep their radars on for this too.

I've actually read some stuff on there before like...
http://www.iranian.com/History/Nov97/WWII/index.html

Video clip (1): Introduction to "Tales of the Persian Corridor" (Realplayer Link)
Video clip (2): The importance of the Persian Corridor as told by Lt. Col. A. George Mallis, U.S. Army (Realplayer Link)
Video clip (3): The equipment sent to Russia through Iran during the war (Realplayer Link)



Jahanshah Javid is Pat from Saturday Night Live!!!

What would you do if someone's mother is Chinese and their father Armenian? How would that work? Are they still Armenian?

I'd suspect there would be an increase of Chinese with big breasts

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I'd suspect there would be an increase of Chinese with big breasts

shhhhhh .... you're on my wave length. Don't make me put up graphics.

In that case, it would okay to hyphenate: Big-Breasted-Armenians ?

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I've actually read some stuff on there before like...
http://www.iranian.com/History/Nov97/WWII/index.html

Video clip (1): Introduction to "Tales of the Persian Corridor" (Realplayer Link)
Video clip (2): The importance of the Persian Corridor as told by Lt. Col. A. George Mallis, U.S. Army (Realplayer Link)
Video clip (3): The equipment sent to Russia through Iran during the war (Realplayer Link)



Jahanshah Javid is Pat from Saturday Night Live!!!

Oh I died from laughter ... why didn't I see it before ... it's so obvious.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

First you prove you're Armenian - then she'll prove she's Armenian. But seriously ....

(Drum roll please ....)

(Remember, I'm not claiming to be Armenian ... so don't start with me )

What would you do if someone's mother is Chinese and their father Armenian? How would that work? Are they still Armenian?

I'm not going to even respond to your first statement.

to your second statement, if some is half some group, half Armenian, then obviously they will refer to themselves as Armenian-xxxxxx. What I'm talking about is Armenians who have lived, or whose families have lived in other countries, and they identity themselves dually. (e.g. Lebanese Armenian, French Armenian, Parskahye, and so on). What I am saying is that all Armenians regardless of what place they or their families lived should identify themselves as Armenians, because we are all Armenians. Having dual allegiance is dangerous to the interests of Armenia, we should see ourselves as Armenians only.

The proper way to identify yourself for let's say a Parskahye, would be "I am a Armenian, from Iran" - there's a subtle but important difference. However Lucin didn't even add Armenian, she just said Iranian.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Mos I agree with the subtle use of language that you point out, and I always tell people I'm an Armenian born in America. However, I think in Lucin's case she said she was Iranian based on the context of the conversation between her and Persepolis which had to do with people in Iran, their struggles and their obligations as Iranian citizens. In this context, Lucin is an Iranian whereas you and I are not.


Another thing Mos. In regards to J ews, they have something that no other diaspora or ethnic group has-- They essentially control the banking system in many nations. In fact I would argue that their influence in mass media and politics across the world stems from their control of financial institutions.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

What I'm talking about is Armenians who have lived, or whose families have lived in other countries, and they identity themselves dually...Parskahye, and so on). ... Having dual allegiance is dangerous to the interests of Armenia, we should see ourselves as Armenians only. The proper way to identify yourself for let's say a Parskahye, would be "I am a Armenian, from Iran" ....

1. True or False? Most of the territorial concessions reflected in the map and treaties below set into motion, not by ParskaHyes, but by individuals that ONLY called themselves Armenians?


2. ParskaHyes have been Persian-Armenians since before the birth of Jesus: I have never heard of the effects of their "dangerous dual allegiances to the interests of Armenia." (No offense, but the poor choices that led to Armenia's present condition were made by non-hyphenated Armenians -- see map above.). Here is a ParskaHye carved into the palace at Persopolis centuries before the birth of Jesus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hay_pers.jpg What do you suggest we do? Chisel his name off? Erase the Behistun inscription of 515 BC by Darius the Great? To be fair I understand that you have a fear of a risk of assimilation from someone that calls themselves a "German-Armenian" or "Irish-Armenian" - but you can't possibly put ParskaHyes into that category, can you? It won't effect my life directly, but I believe that's what got Armenia into its present condition - and part of the reason Armenian politicians are trying to reestablish ties with Iran. I could be wrong, but those who don't understand history and doomed to repeat it. The other thing that you need to consider is that the Armenians that got caught behind the Iron-curtain during the USSR times are probably more assimilated with a 'foreign' culture than ParskaHyes. I don't say this in a mean way, but if your view is the prevalent view in Armenia, my educated guess from prior historical patterns is that in the next 100-200 years Armenia will be gone - either through assimilation into Russia; absorbed into Georgia; immigration to Glendale; or by indifference by Iranians to invasion by Turks or Azerbaijan. The entire phenomenon of the Armenian Diaspora, as we know it today, is a result of disassociation with the Persian Empire - when you put your eggs in Russia's basket they all broke (and you're never going to get someone like Jack Kevorkian or Kim Kardashian to move back to Yerevan - I'll be surprised if Kardashian's grandkids aren't African-American in the next 50 years.). That little strip of land connecting Armenia to Iran is like an umbilical cord - The ParskaHye identity is an ancient stream from which Armenia historically has replenished its cup.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

It's easier for "American-Armenians" or even "German-Armenians" to assimilate than "Parskahyes", due to the fact that there has been a historic separation between Armenians living in Iran and the native Persians. There's also a religious component to this, our religious differences have acted as a barrier against assimilation. That being said, I still will believe sole allegiance to the Armenian people and nation is the most important and integral to your identity. You can of course at the same time support the country where you lived - but in the end of the day, if you are Armenian that allegiance belongs to your nation first, doesn't matter what country you come from.

American assimilation is akin to a genocide - as I've stated such assimilation is our biggest enemy next to Turks and Azeris. That type of assimilation is truly dangerous and something we have to prevent, because there are many Armenians in America.

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

My only attachment is to Armenia and the Armenian people.

Then stop going out of your way to protect the poor joos. They are doing just fine without having another neo con or whiny liberal advocating for them. And it has been clearly shown that zionists, for the most part, are anti-Armenian, yet you continue to protect them which is rather sad.