How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

So the "Israelis that [you] are friends with" would be the "Zionists" and you "know very well the difference between the Israelis and the regular J-ews," correct? And the Israeli-Zionists that you are "friends with," are the same people you "have never defended"?

hmmmmmmm ..... okay

Not all Israelis are Zionists. I would defend anyone that I know personally to be a good person and well intentioned.

[Lucin]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Except Lucin didn't say she was Iranian-Armenian. She said she was just Iranian. That's the problem.

How convenient for you take my words out of context and distort it to fit your agenda... You didn’t know I was/am Armenian? From now on, I will refer to you as our resident Jhud... it is quite natural to say canadahye, americahye, iranahye.

Mos was once an intelligent, balanced guy but it’s been a while he has shifted 180 degrees his opinion on different issues.




Let’s review some of Mos’s comments before being brainwashed:

it is all the west's fault. I support the current regime in Iran, they are the only ones protecting Iran from the corruption of western values. We should take Iran as close allies because they are strong and hate Azeri's. Who cares about America? They are a sick empire.

stupid democracy supporters. Well, it is with relief I say, those protests have been quieted. Ahmadinejad is a good leader for Iran and a great friend to Armenia. It is in our interest, to see the Islamic Republic of Iran prosper and the current regime to hold power.



http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....512#post275512

Russia! Iran! forever! our friends and brothers! down with all who oppose us and them!

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....ations/page114

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

How convenient for you take my words out of context and distort it to fit your agenda... You didn’t know I was/am Armenian? From now on, I will refer to you as our resident Jhud... it is quite natural to say canadahye, americahye, iranahye.

Mos was once an intelligent, balanced guy but it’s been a while he has shifted 180 degrees his opinion on different issues.




Let’s review some of Mos’s comments before being brainwashed:

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Kanada-jan: The Aliyev clan call themselves "Khazars" ... they own up to it. I'm sure the other groups within his borders don't appreciate it ... but they're pushing everyone in that direction. Everyone also has to call themselves "Azerbaijani" - a term without real meaning. He's also imported Turks from central asia - likely to staff his army.

I suppose that would explain this:

Iranian media: Azerbaijani government destroyed 2 mosques, but opens a J3wish synagogue

A new J3wish synagogue opened today in Baku, “arannews.ir” website writes. According to the source, in 2 years Azerbaijan ruined 5 mosques and 2 were destroyed by the decision of the government.

Iranian “ghafghaz.ir” website informs that Iranian expert Ahmad Marjan Nezhad covered in one of his stories relations of Iran and Azerbaijan and stated a few differences and contradictions:

• Nationalist policy ruling in Baku
• Israel’s and US functions in Azerbaijan
• Turkish speaking Iranian Azeri
• inhabitance of 50 thousand Azerbaijani in Israel and 100 thousand Azeri inhabiting in Azerbaijan
• Baku-Israel lobby against Iran’s territorial integrity
• Anti-Islam policy of Azerbaijan

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2.../arrannews-ir/

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

How convenient for you take my words out of context and distort it to fit your agenda... You didn’t know I was/am Armenian? From now on, I will refer to you as our resident Jhud... it is quite natural to say canadahye, americahye, iranahye.

Mos was once an intelligent, balanced guy but it’s been a while he has shifted 180 degrees his opinion on different issues.




Let’s review some of Mos’s comments before being brainwashed:

How have I taken a 180 degree turn? I supported Iran, Russia then and I still support them now. I will refute stupid statements or ill conceived generalisations that are made by people, and will look at our politics more pragmatically and with a critical eye. Just because this tone by me has increased, doesn't mean I have taken a 180 degree turn.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I will start a web blog and let the Iranian people and the Iranian government know. Thanks for your feedback.

Just make sure you leave your name with the moderators so they can thank you for the results and your patriotism to Armenia.

I'm still waiting for my answers when will I get them? Because to me it seems you don't have any answers.

PS do as you like but i'm sure only 10 people will read your blog and your government doesn't give a xxxx what you or I think. I want my answers.

[Federate]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Not sure if this was posted on the forum yet. From Wikileaks.
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S e c r e t section 01 of 02 baku 000020

Noforn
sipdis

Dept for eur/carc

E.o. 12958: decl: 01/13/2029
Tags: pgov, prl, pter, aj, is, ir
Subject: azerbaijan's discreet symbiosis with israel

Ref: a. Iir 6 941 0165 09//usdao baku//061207zjan09
(notal)
b. 08 baku 1119
c. Baku 17

Classified By: POL/ECON COUNSELOR ROB GARVERICK, REASONS 1.4 B AND D
S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 BAKU 000020 NOFORN SIPDIS DEPT FOR EUR/CARC E.O. 12958: DECL: 01/13/2029 TAGS: PGOV PRL PTER AJ IS IR
1.(C) Summary. Azerbaijan,s relations with Israel are discreet but close. Each country finds it easy to identify with the other,s geopolitical difficulties and both rank Iran as an existential security threat. Israel,s world-class defense industry with its relaxed attitude about its customer base is a perfect match for Azerbaijan,s substantial defense needs that are largely left unmet by the United States, Europe and Russia for various reasons tied to Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh. Aptly described by Azerbaijani President Aliyev as being &like an iceberg, nine-tenths of it is below the surface,8 this relationship is also marked by a pragmatic recognition by Israel of Azerbaijan,s political need to hew publicly and in international forums to the OIC,s general line. End Summary.
¶2. (U) This cable is based on Embassy interactions with Israeli colleagues in Baku and with Azerbaijani MFA officials whom we have demarched on Israeli issues.
¶3. (C) Much like Israel, Azerbaijan perceives Iran as a major, even existential security threat, and the two countries, cooperation flows from this shared recognition. The (U.S.-born) Israeli Ambassador in Baku, Arthur Lenk, often conveys his country,s empathy by remarking with dark humor that if he &had the chance to exchange neighborhoods, with Azerbaijan, I wouldn,t do it.8 Even open sources have identified an extensive relationship between the countries, intelligence services that even predated the presidency of Heydar Aliyev and it only stands to reason that this remains a major area of cooperation which both sides naturally seek to downplay.
¶4. (C) The Azerbaijani authorities assiduously protect Israeli interests in Baku. For example, the DCM of the Baku Embassy told Emboff that the GOAJ had noticeably improved local security at the Israeli Embassy when the most recent operations began in Gaza. When authorities got word of a planned demonstration on January 2, they dispatched buses to the place where the protesters were preparing to set off for the Embassy and arrested them on the spot. Police detained 25 of the 150 demonstrators rounded up, and 20 of them were sentenced to 10 or 15 days, detention. In sharp contrast, the GOAJ allows demonstrators to picket the Iranian Embassy, so long as the subject of the protest is the treatment of Azeris in Iran. In connection with the December 2 demonstration, the Israeli Embassy told us that they &never even saw8 the demonstrators and made no requests before or after that anyone be held in custody.
¶5. (C) Through its close relations with Israel, Azerbaijan gets a level of access to the quality weapon systems it needs to develop its army that it can not obtain from the U.S. and Europe due to various legal limitations, nor from its ex-Soviet suppliers, Belarus and Ukraine. Where other Wastern nations are reluctant to sell ground combat systems to the Azerbaijanis for fear of encouraging Azerbaijan to resort to war to regain NK and the occupied territories, Israel is free to make substantial arms sales and benefits greatly from deals with its well-heeled client. In September 2008 ) again in a little-publicized affair ) the GOAJ signed an extensive agreement with the Israeli Defense Ministry providing for three Israeli companies to provide mortars, ammunition, rocket artillery and radio equipment. The company &Soltam8 got the contract to provide mortars and ammunition, &Tadiran Communications8 will provide radio gear, and Israeli Military Industries will provide the rockets. IMI sells a range of rocket artillery and BAKU 00000020 002 OF 002 accessories ranging from upgrade kits for Soviet vintage BM-21 &Grad8 122mm systems, guidance packages for 122mm-300mm rockets and launch vehicles for up to 300mm rockets. It was not clear what exactly the Azerbaijanis bought, as the deal was simply described as being worth &hundreds of millions of dollars.8 Azerbaijan already operates IMI,s 122mm &Lynx8 multiple-launch rocket system, which it mounts on a KAMAZ 63502 heavy truck.
¶6. (S/NF) Recent USDAO reporting also indicates that the GOAJ through its Ministry of Defense Industries has created a joint venture with an Israeli entity to produce unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). This venture will have 51 per cent GOAJ ownership and is distinct from the arrangements reported in para. 5 above.
¶7. (C) Israeli contacts tell us that President Aliyev aptly described the bilateral relationship as &an iceberg; nine-tenths of it is below the surface8 during the May 2008 visit of Agriculture Minister Shalom Simhon. The sentiment is accurate because Baku balances its cordial relations with the xxxish state with its perceived responsibilities in to the OIC. Therefore Azerbaijan does not maintain an embassy in Israel, it dutifully (although weakly) criticizes Israeli military operations in the Palestinian territories and Lebanon, and in international organizations supports the OIC line and avoids any chance of angering Iran. When Emboff delivered demarches on the UNGA Israel resolutions recently (Reftel A), our MFA contact explained that Azerbaijan would follow the OIC line and that there was &an understanding8 with Israel about Azerbaijan,s voting behavior. Our Israeli contacts do not use the same word but acknowledge that they do not attempt to pressure Azerbaijan on these questions. The relationship also affects U.S. policy insofar as Azerbaijan tries, often successfully, to convince the U.S. pro-Israel lobby to advocate on its behalf.
¶8. (C) The relationship does have its limits; it does not translate into any preferential treatment for Israeli investors or capital in Azerbaijan (Note: this hardly sets Israel apart among countries whose citizens invest here. End note.) With some humor, the Israeli DCM told us that Israeli businessmen expressed to her that they prefer corruption in Kazakhstan to that of Azerbaijan because in Kazakhstan one can expect to pay exorbitant &fees8 to do business but those are generally collected at once, up front, whereas in Azerbaijan the demands for bribes never cease.
¶9. (C) Israel,s relations with Azerbaijan are based strongly on pragmatism and a keen appreciation of priorities. Israel,s main goal is to preserve Azerbaijan as an ally against Iran, a platform for reconnaissance of that country and as a market for military hardware. In order to ensure those goals, the Israelis have keenly attuned themselves to the GOAJ,s needs as an OIC member and a state ) like Israel ) wedged between large, powerful and unfriendly neighbors. They forgo the option of pressuring the GOAJ on secondary issues to secure the primary ones. It is apparent to us that for now both sides are well satisfied with the bilateral state of affairs. LU

http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2009/01/09BAKU20.html

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Another thing Mos. In regards to J ews, they have something that no other diaspora or ethnic group has-- They essentially control the banking system in many nations. In fact I would argue that their influence in mass media and politics across the world stems from their control of financial institutions.

Don't forget the commodities markets... which basically controls everything that is harvested, mined, and produced.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

A Turkish article on Iran-Armenia relations:

That goes here: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....nian-relations

This is the thread where we bash Israel (not J3ws or Israelis per say but the actions of the state members of Israel and their alliances with Armenia's enemies)

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

That goes here: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....nian-relations

This is the thread where we bash Israel (not J3ws or Israelis per say but the actions of the state members of Israel and their alliances with Armenia's enemies)

confused this for the iranian-armenia thread by accident.